Who realistically would people want other than Jacko here?
(and no stupid suggestions like Howe/Wilder etc)
Mike Duff | Michael Beale | Andy Hughes, or some other promising U23 Manager we dont know about.
I wouldnt be opposed to a Danish Manager provided they're not some completely unknown... e.g. Got to remember that Thomas Frank was Manager of Brondby for three years before he came over to England.
Emma Hayes, maybe - I get why she'd find a League One team insulting but unfortunately there hasnt been a Female Manager in the Mens game, it might be wrong but it does feel like she'd need to prove herself first a little bit... Trouble is its a big risk, and dont think we can overly afford that big of a risk at the moment.
I certainly don't think we need the circus that would accompany Emma Hayes, however good she might be
Yeah I only mentioned her, or even Karen Carney as they'd been mentioned on here recently.
Think for those two, a team like Oxford or Milton Keynes would be ideal for them - I feel that they are the sort of club at this level who wont always fight for promotion, but if they're ran properly should never be at threat of going down.
I'm curious as to why the majority of people think Jackson will be so bad?
Think it boils down to the fact that he's part of the coaching set-up that has seen the worst Charlton side most of us have ever seen. How big a part he played in it is anyone's guess.
Its a fair point but Bowyer was assistant to Robinson when we were fairly dire and he turned it round pretty quickly. Do assistant managers really have that much of a say in how the team is set up? I genuinely have no idea!
We were nowhere near as bad as we are now when Bowyer took over. Back then we were worried we'd miss the playoffs, not go down to L2!
This isn't a permanent appointment anyway. We don't know if Sandgaard wants to give Jacko a few weeks to prove himself, or whether interviews are going on with external candidates already.
I'm curious as to why the majority of people think Jackson will be so bad?
Think its just the concern what with Jackson having been given the task of organising set pieces, the defence.
If he's the sole reason for those two things being bad this season then yeah it might not be an improvement.
But we equally dont know if he's just relaying Adkins instructions.
I really want Jackson, actually who ever is the manager, to be here a long time and be successful. To be honest I have no idea if he will do a good job or not.
But I have my doubts though and a nagging feeling that he is part of, not necessarily a course of, a continuing problem.
He has either been the club captain or on the coaching staff under a lot of managers and every single one of them, since Riga left the 1st time, has had a spell when there has been an obvious lack of effort, application and organisation.
Even if you ignore the obvious dross and just focus on the last 3 managers, 2 jumped before they were pushed, it has become a pattern.
I know it's not a popular suggestion but I think it needs considering. I would also ask the same questions of Pearce.
They may well not be the cause of any of it but as "locker room leaders" they have not been able to prevent it either.
I'm curious as to why the majority of people think Jackson will be so bad?
I think it's as much the fact we may need a complete freshen up and new ideas than any particular opinion of Jackson, but I would also play devil's advocate slightly and say what has he really done that make people think he'll be good?
I think the thing everyone needs to remember is that all managers are, essentially, shit. They literally all get sacked eventually when the things that were working for them stop working. Sometimes because they worked with a different group of people, sometimes because they get stale, or sometimes genuinely because you stop letting them have Nando's. You can look at just about any manager in the world, especially at our level, and find a manager who did well somewhere and failed elsewhere, whose ideas will work for someone else but not us, or the reverse. Basically at this point hiring a manager in football is hoping. Fingers crossed lads
I think the thing everyone needs to remember is that all managers are, essentially, shit. They literally all get sacked eventually when the things that were working for them stop working. Sometimes because they worked with a different group of people, sometimes because they get stale, or sometimes genuinely because you stop letting them have Nando's. You can look at just about any manager in the world, especially at our level, and find a manager who did well somewhere and failed elsewhere, whose ideas will work for someone else but not us, or the reverse. Basically at this point hiring a manager in football is hoping. Fingers crossed lads
To be fair, at this level they sometimes do well for 2 or 3 years and then get a better job that they then eventually fail at.
I think the thing everyone needs to remember is that all managers are, essentially, shit. They literally all get sacked eventually when the things that were working for them stop working. Sometimes because they worked with a different group of people, sometimes because they get stale, or sometimes genuinely because you stop letting them have Nando's. You can look at just about any manager in the world, especially at our level, and find a manager who did well somewhere and failed elsewhere, whose ideas will work for someone else but not us, or the reverse. Basically at this point hiring a manager in football is hoping. Fingers crossed lads
To be fair, at this level they sometimes do well for 2 or 3 years and then get a better job that they then eventually fail at.
I'd take that!
Exactly, and that's what we need to hope happens for us. The last two managers who got us promoted didn't have a minute's managerial experience between them beyond some caretaker matches when their infinitely more experienced bosses got sacked for being rubbish. I've givne up on looking at managerial records and past successes, I'm just praying now
I think the thing everyone needs to remember is that all managers are, essentially, shit. They literally all get sacked eventually when the things that were working for them stop working. Sometimes because they worked with a different group of people, sometimes because they get stale, or sometimes genuinely because you stop letting them have Nando's. You can look at just about any manager in the world, especially at our level, and find a manager who did well somewhere and failed elsewhere, whose ideas will work for someone else but not us, or the reverse. Basically at this point hiring a manager in football is hoping. Fingers crossed lads
This is exactly it. 'Good' managers, particularly in the lower leagues, have a bright patch and eventually go back to being useless. Warnock is the only non Prem manager I can think of right now who has been consistently successful.
I think the thing everyone needs to remember is that all managers are, essentially, shit. They literally all get sacked eventually when the things that were working for them stop working. Sometimes because they worked with a different group of people, sometimes because they get stale, or sometimes genuinely because you stop letting them have Nando's. You can look at just about any manager in the world, especially at our level, and find a manager who did well somewhere and failed elsewhere, whose ideas will work for someone else but not us, or the reverse. Basically at this point hiring a manager in football is hoping. Fingers crossed lads
To be fair, at this level they sometimes do well for 2 or 3 years and then get a better job that they then eventually fail at.
I'd take that!
Exactly, and that's what we need to hope happens for us. The last two managers who got us promoted didn't have a minute's managerial experience between them beyond some caretaker matches when their infinitely more experienced bosses got sacked for being rubbish. I've givne up on looking at managerial records and past successes, I'm just praying now
You also have to factor in that some jobs, at some times, you have to be monumentally awful to fail and the same job at a different time you would have to be the best manager ever to not fail.
The last two times Jacko got the job could be both......
Matt Gray at Sutton being mentioned by Football Insider as a top candidate.
Doing well at Sutton so far. I think its time we look at managers doing well in the lower leagues. Not big names who were good managers 5 years ago etc.
Matt Gray at Sutton being mentioned by Football Insider as a top candidate.
Doing well at Sutton so far. I think its time we look at managers doing well in the lower leagues. Not big names who were good managers 5 years ago etc.
Have we ever, well in the last 40 years, appointed a manager who fitted that description? You could lossly apply it to Adkins, at a stretch.
Managers that are Jackos age start tend to start in Leagues 1 & 2.....Russell Martin, Ryan Lowe, Michael Duff, Ian Evatt etc.
We are a league 1 team so we are on the platform for managers of that age to kick start there career...the onus is on JJ to do a good job and propel himself into the running for this job or a managers job elsewhere if need be.
Simple fact is we are nothing special to command the interest of the better managers out there combined with our league position and if it wasnt Jacko who gets it full time, it will be another manager with some or little experience.
Its the logical choice and a good one. Good luck to JJ & JE.
How many ex players are now managers, assistants or coaches?
Didn’t know about Andy Reid Jorge Costa JJ (the other one) Shaun Bartlett Claus Jensen
No doubt plenty more
Matt Taylor at Exeter JFH at Burton Mark Bowen had a long career, mainly working with Mark Hughes Parker at Bournemouth Deano at Palace I assume Lennie is still working somewhere
Probably should’ve posted it here but I just put on the other thread that it’s great to potentially get an upcoming coach/manager with good potential, but we may already have that in Jackson, so we must give him a chance, he’s earned it
Managers that are Jackos age start tend to start in Leagues 1 & 2.....Russell Martin, Ryan Lowe, Michael Duff, Ian Evatt etc.
We are a league 1 team so we are on the platform for managers of that age to kick start there career...the onus is on JJ to do a good job and propel himself into the running for this job or a managers job elsewhere if need be.
Simple fact is we are nothing special to command the interest of the better managers out there combined with our league position and if it wasnt Jacko who gets it full time, it will be another manager with some or little experience.
Its the logical choice and a good one. Good luck to JJ & JE.
Aren't the majority of league one managers just cheap and the clubs the younger ones manage generally skint?
You look at the "big jobs" that come up in league 1 that's not the profile most clubs go for out of choice. The exception being Richardson at Wigan but they were very skint when he got the job.
When us, Ipswich, Sunderland and Pompey changed manager last season none of them were 1st appointments. Or cheap.
Who realistically would people want other than Jacko here?
(and no stupid suggestions like Howe/Wilder etc)
Mike Duff | Michael Beale | Andy Hughes, or some other promising U23 Manager we dont know about.
I wouldnt be opposed to a Danish Manager provided they're not some completely unknown... e.g. Got to remember that Thomas Frank was Manager of Brondby for three years before he came over to England.
Emma Hayes, maybe - I get why she'd find a League One team insulting but unfortunately there hasnt been a Female Manager in the Mens game, it might be wrong but it does feel like she'd need to prove herself first a little bit... Trouble is its a big risk, and dont think we can overly afford that big of a risk at the moment.
I certainly don't think we need the circus that would accompany Emma Hayes, however good she might be
if her or Neil Harris got it, i think that would be me done
Who realistically would people want other than Jacko here?
(and no stupid suggestions like Howe/Wilder etc)
Mike Duff | Michael Beale | Andy Hughes, or some other promising U23 Manager we dont know about.
I wouldnt be opposed to a Danish Manager provided they're not some completely unknown... e.g. Got to remember that Thomas Frank was Manager of Brondby for three years before he came over to England.
Emma Hayes, maybe - I get why she'd find a League One team insulting but unfortunately there hasnt been a Female Manager in the Mens game, it might be wrong but it does feel like she'd need to prove herself first a little bit... Trouble is its a big risk, and dont think we can overly afford that big of a risk at the moment.
I certainly don't think we need the circus that would accompany Emma Hayes, however good she might be
Yeah I only mentioned her, or even Karen Carney as they'd been mentioned on here recently.
Think for those two, a team like Oxford or Milton Keynes would be ideal for them - I feel that they are the sort of club at this level who wont always fight for promotion, but if they're ran properly should never be at threat of going down.
I think they’d see that as an insult, which is kind of hilarious. I get that they’re at the top of the women’s game, but it really is chalk and cheese.
I’d love to see what Emma Hayes could do at a club in League 2.
Who realistically would people want other than Jacko here?
(and no stupid suggestions like Howe/Wilder etc)
Mike Duff | Michael Beale | Andy Hughes, or some other promising U23 Manager we dont know about.
I wouldnt be opposed to a Danish Manager provided they're not some completely unknown... e.g. Got to remember that Thomas Frank was Manager of Brondby for three years before he came over to England.
Emma Hayes, maybe - I get why she'd find a League One team insulting but unfortunately there hasnt been a Female Manager in the Mens game, it might be wrong but it does feel like she'd need to prove herself first a little bit... Trouble is its a big risk, and dont think we can overly afford that big of a risk at the moment.
I certainly don't think we need the circus that would accompany Emma Hayes, however good she might be
if her or Neil Harris got it, i think that would be me done
Harris, I’m with you. A female manager, I’m not sure what my thoughts would be, not that it would happen.
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Think for those two, a team like Oxford or Milton Keynes would be ideal for them - I feel that they are the sort of club at this level who wont always fight for promotion, but if they're ran properly should never be at threat of going down.
This isn't a permanent appointment anyway. We don't know if Sandgaard wants to give Jacko a few weeks to prove himself, or whether interviews are going on with external candidates already.
But I have my doubts though and a nagging feeling that he is part of, not necessarily a course of, a continuing problem.
He has either been the club captain or on the coaching staff under a lot of managers and every single one of them, since Riga left the 1st time, has had a spell when there has been an obvious lack of effort, application and organisation.
Even if you ignore the obvious dross and just focus on the last 3 managers, 2 jumped before they were pushed, it has become a pattern.
I know it's not a popular suggestion but I think it needs considering. I would also ask the same questions of Pearce.
They may well not be the cause of any of it but as "locker room leaders" they have not been able to prevent it either.
Andy Myers (U23 Manager) is the only name I can find and it doesnt ring a bell
Edit: Anthony Barry:
https://www.si.com/soccer/chelsea/news/anthony-barry-set-to-snub-fleetwood-town-job-for-chelsea-stay-under-thomas-tuchel
Oh I remember this , think he's got promoted under Tuchel so probably not a contender , but fits the right kind of mould.
I'd take that!
The last two times Jacko got the job could be both......
Doing well at Sutton so far. I think its time we look at managers doing well in the lower leagues. Not big names who were good managers 5 years ago etc.
We are a league 1 team so we are on the platform for managers of that age to kick start there career...the onus is on JJ to do a good job and propel himself into the running for this job or a managers job elsewhere if need be.
Simple fact is we are nothing special to command the interest of the better managers out there combined with our league position and if it wasnt Jacko who gets it full time, it will be another manager with some or little experience.
Its the logical choice and a good one. Good luck to JJ & JE.
Didn’t know about Andy Reid
Jorge Costa
JJ (the other one)
Shaun Bartlett
Claus Jensen
No doubt plenty more
JFH at Burton
Mark Bowen had a long career, mainly working with Mark Hughes
Parker at Bournemouth
Deano at Palace
I assume Lennie is still working somewhere
dean kiely
mark Bowen
mark kinsella (maybe)
chris Powell
You look at the "big jobs" that come up in league 1 that's not the profile most clubs go for out of choice. The exception being Richardson at Wigan but they were very skint when he got the job.
When us, Ipswich, Sunderland and Pompey changed manager last season none of them were 1st appointments. Or cheap.
I’d love to see what Emma Hayes could do at a club in League 2.