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Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic vs Oxford United | Saturday 19th February 2022
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Can’t believe this is the same manager who produced a performance against Sunderland away and we looked well set for a cracking “Do or Die” season. What the f@&k has gone wrong?22
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As if my day couldn't get worse, two people have now given my adult son DJ the worst player mark, even though, unlike pretty much all of them, he
- took on his man
- got a couple of decent balls in
- made several tackles and interceptions
- stopped a counter attack with some good violence
- had a credible effort on goal
Surely he was subbed to protect him from a red card. Can't think what else. Instead of being subbed, we should have changed formation and let him loose
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Heard from a reliable source that todays roster was designed by Martin Sandgaard. He also taught them all to shoot powerfully and he made them all special home made milkshakes to improve performance…3
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Bring in Curbs to help Jacko as he doesn't seem to know what to do!2
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This. Even more recently we won 3 games in a row. Keep saying it, but if your 3 strikers are out you’re fucked, even if you’re Klopp.usetobunkin said:Can’t believe this is the same manager who produced a performance against Sunderland away and we looked well set for a cracking “Do or Die” season. What the f@&k has gone wrong?4 -
We would have lost 4-1 if they’d been available.Exiled_Addick said:
Do you truly believe it would’ve been different if Washington and Aneke/Stockley were fit? This good-for-20-minutes-until-the-opposition-figure-us-out thing has been happening all season long, regardless of who is fit. It happened just last match at Wigan and we did manage to score first there.Callumcafc said:This will be fun.
Best spell of the game for us was the 20 minutes before they scored. Unfortunately there was no one up front to put the ball in the net. It would’ve been a different game.
As it is, the mental deficiencies in this squad were horribly exposed by Oxford.
That’s my contribution to this thread done. Have at it you lot.3 -
Not inconceivable we could lose our next 3.mk dons,sheff we'd,sunderland .the we are back in a relegation scrap3
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Jacko being a Baldrick before team selection!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsXKS8Nyu8Q&ab_channel=Zymusss
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It’s ok - Tommy will grab the guitar and sing a song for JJ and all will be well in time for tea.0
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The fixture list is looking scary - I can't see us getting anything for a few weeks.3
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I weren't keen on the Jacko appointment in the first place, nothing against him, but there's an almost visible shitness around these players and continuing with the same backbone and management in place, for me, has just moved exactly the same problem down the line.J BLOCK said:Indefinable. Jackson isn’t the man to take us forward. Clear out needed, inc coaches and established manager to come in, with his own structure.
Front to back this team are no where near to standard. Wouldn’t be annoyed if not one of them are here next season.Tactically, the worst I’ve seen in ten years.
Sack em all, if it were possible, keeping Clare, Dobson and maybe Innis, and I'd also like to see Skivo stay around aswell.
Jacko do better assisting elsewhere for a couple more seasons, or drop down a league imo, just to lose the Charlton stench* of the last 4 years.
*Stench = The general negativity around the club, more than likely, in no small way, cause by RD etc. and Southall etc.6 -
A powder puff team who somehow contrive to have a shit disciplinary record.
Hardly put in a challenge between 'em. Laughable.4 -
Oh dear.
The Good:
Oxford's fourth goal - that was a screamer.
The ball boy who shew more fight and passion when he kicked the ball back at a play-acting Oxford player resulting in a talking-to from the ref.
The Bad:
Oxford's cheating. Play acting, time-wasting, walking across the whole width of the pitch when being subbed instead of walking off the nearest touchline two foot away ... all of that when they had the ability to score at will.
The Ugly:
Pretty much everything to do with our "performance" today; absolutely disgusting.
A positive from this afternoon: it had stopped raining so junior and I didn't get soaked trudging back to the car at full time.9 -
I’ve said it before and will say it again. If Roland had done things like bring his son in to run elements of the club it would have been WW3 outside the Valley reception after the game.
Dont need to do that - how about we just sort out the shit all over the club and stop doing stupid things…8 -
Hes as dog shit as the rest of emLeuth said:As if my day couldn't get worse, two people have now given my adult son DJ the worst player mark, even though, unlike pretty much all of them, he
- took on his man
- got a couple of decent balls in
- made several tackles and interceptions
- stopped a counter attack with some good violence
- had a credible effort on goal
Surely he was subbed to protect him from a red card. Can't think what else. Instead of being subbed, we should have changed formation and let him loose10 -
I’ll promise you something, MK on Tuesday will be equally, if not worse than today.Jackson has talked about a reaction, we’re still waiting on one from Bolton away.3
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I really want Jacko to go…. Because I’m fucking disgusted that this set of players are fucking over another manager for the third time, and this happens to be a fella they all got behind and is someone as a Charlton fan I don’t want to remember as a failure. It’s completely unfair, I know he has made some iffy selections but to get what we are seeing is abysmal.The striker situation is unfortunate, but also a convenient excuse for being shit. Is this bunch of letdowns actually unmanageable??? …. Because if the three blokes they are eventually going to have on there resume of getting the boot can’t all be shit managers/coaches. This season is fucking dogshit.2
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Defensively is the major issue, strikers or not, it is the worst I’ve ever seen from a Charlton game.EveshamAddick said:
This. Even more recently we won 3 games in a row. Keep saying it, but if your 3 strikers are out you’re fucked, even if you’re Klopp.usetobunkin said:Can’t believe this is the same manager who produced a performance against Sunderland away and we looked well set for a cracking “Do or Die” season. What the f@&k has gone wrong?2 -
I would go as far as to say that this scenario is profoundly conceivable.timken said:Not inconceivable we could lose our next 3.mk dons,sheff we'd,sunderland .the we are back in a relegation scrap3 -
To answer your question, yes. Probably not different enough to win but certainly not a 4-0 battering.Exiled_Addick said:
Do you truly believe it would’ve been different if Washington and Aneke/Stockley were fit? This good-for-20-minutes-until-the-opposition-figure-us-out thing has been happening all season long, regardless of who is fit. It happened just last match at Wigan and we did manage to score first there.Callumcafc said:This will be fun.
Best spell of the game for us was the 20 minutes before they scored. Unfortunately there was no one up front to put the ball in the net. It would’ve been a different game.
As it is, the mental deficiencies in this squad were horribly exposed by Oxford.
That’s my contribution to this thread done. Have at it you lot.
I also think a bit of recency bias is at play with your assessment. We’ve usually started games poorly and it’s only Wigan and Oxford where we’ve had bright starts. Bolton, poor start. Wimbledon poor start. Fleetwood poor start. Cheltenham poor start. Even when we were winning games under Jacko, most of the goals we scored came in the second half.1 -
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Awful. Obviously there were issues up front that Jackson couldn't control but beyond that it was a line-up so ill-conceived Lee Bowyer would have vomited blood at the sight of it. I remember last season there was a lot of concern about Bowyer continuing to play Pratley at centre back even though Oshilaja was back from injury. He did leave him out a bit too long, but at least Oshilaja had proven repeatedly over the prior 18 months that he was an absolute madman at the wheel when played at CB. Here though, I have no idea what was going on. Purrington has never looked good at CB, Clare hasn't looked good there for a while and, most importantly, we had THREE centre backs on the bench. A back three of Lavelle, Pearce and Famewo genuinely would have been better than what we turned up with, and that's what we had sat down. DJ at LWB despite Purrington and Castillo being available is insane, Gilbey being off form and Nile sat on the bench and not even getting on is insane. Bringing Campbell on to make his debut at 4-0 down is insane.The worst thing is that this week I've been having some very dark thoughts about Jackson. He's one of my favourite ever players and I categorically don't want him sacked, but today was a sackable game. 4-0 loss and a red card against a team at the start of the season we would be looking to beat as a yardstick for our progress, 5 players woefully out of position despite better options being available and seemingly no attempt to change the trash happening in front of him, it felt like the games we got in the last days of Pardew, Parkinson, Bowyer and Adkins. Add to that the fact Jackson decided to spend his time leading up to this match pissing and moaning about the contract he signed two months ago causing uncertainty, as if it forced him to play a right winger at LWB and I'm feeling pretty pissed off at the whole thing to be honest. Sure, things might have been better if we'd been able to pick Stockley, Washington, Aneke and Fraser but we couldn't and instead of making the best of it we made the absolute worst of it. Today we made Karl Robinson look like Pep Guardiola and Jackson made himself look like Lee Bowyer without the fangs. Jackson is now complaining about a lack of fight and reaction to setbacks from the players, but if you spend the week moaning about your job and then send the players out completely unequipped to handle what's in front of them you're going to get exactly what you deserve and we saw that today. Really tough games coming up and I have absolutely no belief that we'll do anything different. Bleak.
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Watched with my dad at his house. Got in my car to drive home to hear “rip it up and start again” playing on the radio. Couldn’t be more appropriate.
On recruitment I know some have said keep the likes of Matthews, Inniss etc as cheap back up as it’ll be easier I think we could do with a complete rebuild. Without it we’ll likely see us continue to fail wither the same core group of players. I’d rather gamble that we can change the mentality than keep failing with the same group who will get worse the longer they’re kept on.
I’ve defended players like Gilbey but it’s laughable that some said he was a top player at this level.
Only positive was Campbell’s debut and even then he should have been earlier.
I put £10 on Oxford to win and it was paid out after 3-0. I’ll do the same for at least the next few games, it’s free money.
Where do we go from here? Missing three senior strikers makes a huge difference but regardless that performance is so far from where we need to be.
I don’t have confidence in Sandgaard, Gallen, Jackson etc to get it right in the summer. We can call for a CEO to come in but that only works with the right appointment, what makes anyone think TS would get that right?4 -
Yes, but what happens is Oxford try to suss us out in the frst part of the match. That is normal for an away side and why we started reasonably brightly. Then they work out we are little threat so they become more and more adventurous and we lose a goal and there is no way back for us. How do we become a threat? Well we only have a small number of players who could be said know where the goal is, and you could argue about the full extent of some of those, and they are all out injured.0
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I blame the new loan players. They have done Jack shit since signing8
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Jacko come in after Adkins and made the obvious changes that everyone, except Adkins, saw needed to be made. Now we're a few months down the line, there aren't any new ideas to freshen things up. Also looks like the players are still as uninspired and demotivated as they were under Adkins, to meusetobunkin said:Can’t believe this is the same manager who produced a performance against Sunderland away and we looked well set for a cracking “Do or Die” season. What the f@&k has gone wrong?1 -
People are angry and not able to separate the truly poor from the fine. DJ was in no way the worst player on the pitch - there are plenty of candidates for that title.Leuth said:As if my day couldn't get worse, two people have now given my adult son DJ the worst player mark, even though, unlike pretty much all of them, he
- took on his man
- got a couple of decent balls in
- made several tackles and interceptions
- stopped a counter attack with some good violence
- had a credible effort on goal
Surely he was subbed to protect him from a red card. Can't think what else. Instead of being subbed, we should have changed formation and let him loose1 -
Worst charlton side in my lifetime putting in the worst performance I've ever seen. Shit squad, shit attitude, and shit coaching. Jacko ain't the man to take us forward.
Can't believe some fans clapped them off. Deserve everything we get as a fan base.
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Was In two minds whether to go today but loyalty and madness made me come even though it took 3 hours to get here.......that was grim. Couldnt understand oxfords persistent time wasting at 3-0 and rolling over feigning injury.
Taylor should have gone as well but did the stay down and look injured routine.
In saying that they deserved to win we were just awful.1 -
He’ll bring his nan inScoham said:Watched with my dad at his house. Got in my car to drive home to hear “rip it up and start again” playing on the radio. Couldn’t be more appropriate.
On recruitment I know some have said keep the likes of Matthews, Inniss etc as cheap back up as it’ll be easier I think we could do with a complete rebuild. Without it we’ll likely see us continue to fail wither the same core group of players. I’d rather gamble that we can change the mentality than keep failing with the same group who will get worse the longer they’re kept on.
I’ve defended players like Gilbey but it’s laughable that some said he was a top player at this level.
Only positive was Campbell’s debut and even then he should have been earlier.
I put £10 on Oxford to win and it was paid out after 3-0. I’ll do the same for at least the next few games, it’s free money.
Where do we go from here? Missing three senior strikers makes a huge difference but regardless that performance is so far from where we need to be.
I don’t have confidence in Sandgaard, Gallen, Jackson etc to get it right in the summer. We can call for a CEO to come in but that only works with the right appointment, what makes anyone think TS would get that right?1
