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Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic vs Oxford United | Saturday 19th February 2022
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It seems to be widely acknowledged that the owner is too involved in things he doesn’t need to meddle with - case in point the ticketing fiasco where the club are turning away their own fans in exchange of a fantasy attendance number. Another example would be appointing your son to be “director of analysis” despite having zero experience besides streaming football manager. God knows what else is going on behind the scenes, but I can’t imagine Jackson is being a sourpuss for no reason.Croydon said:
How would he know anything other than what Jackson feeds him though. Sadly don't think we'll ever know the true extent of what goes on behind the scenesElliotCAFC said:Interesting comments from Karl Robinson:
“I don't think Johnnie Jackson is the one who should be looking at himself."
"I think a lot of other things might need to change to make this a good club"
"[Jackson] has the nouse and the understanding. Now he maybe needs to be given the a bit more the reins to do what he needs to do. Maybe that may change."Obviously he’s going to defend his mate after a loss like that, but it certainly adds fuel to the fire when discussing how much TS (and Martin Sandgaard) are overly involved in things they fundamentally don’t understand.Airman Brown seems to be alluding to staff not wanting to challenge Sandgaard on things they know are wrong. That’s a recipe for disaster.14 -
I can categorically say this is not the least talented squad I have ever seen, or even close.ElliotCAFC said:There’s an interesting overlap between people claiming this to be the worst group of players they’ve ever seen and still expecting the management team to be able to coach them into a good football team.
It is the most brain dead, passionless, gutt less bunch of grifters bunch I have had the pleasure of watching.
They got him the job and went back to their deckchairs and got the cigars on again.7 -
You had to STAY to beat the rush.Says it all.Shambles on and off the pitch.6
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This was an interesting article in the Guardian last week.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/feb/18/west-ham-what-next-with-new-billionaire-daniel-kretinsky?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
The interesting quote is
"Sullivan has become less involved in recruitment in recent years, but he loves working in football and it is understood that he will look to buy a smaller club if he sells West Ham. "
This is not working. And if recent reports about Sandgard's business are anything close to the truth then I think it is a way out for all concerned.1 -
Didn’t see the game but saw the result. Don’t know where to start if I’m honest. Every season is like Groundhog Day. Unbalanced squad, no fight or passion, poor recruitment (?) manager in crisis and under pressure. Criticism of hierarchy. Rinse and repeat. Something has to change and as I can’t work out which one should carry the can I think the best thing Sandgaard can do is sweep the lot away this summer. Tough on Johnnie but I genuinely think that we’ll be having this same discussion next season if we don’t draw a line under “this” Charlton and start with a clean slate. Depressing club to support at present.2
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Thought we would lose because of the players out situation, but disappointed it seems a clear cut 0-4 hammering at home.
Maybe the sensible thing was to play a back 5 with plenty of aerial power and play percentage football. However things usually get worse before they get better and it is easy to suggest what should or could have been done in hindsight.
Players will be judged overall for their display or lack of it and the reality is too many in this squad fall short. My hope is that JJ is also making his judgment of them in this extreme situation. Stand up and be counted or expect to be moved on.1 -
Well, I think the majority of Charlton fans wouldn’t believe either of those statements.Gribbo said:A couple of years ago anything coming out of Robinson's mouth was looked at as bs. Now, all of a sudden, he's the oracle on football club managementPeople aren’t binary, there’s a middle ground between “everything he says is bs” and “he’s an oracle”. It’s just an interesting quote from someone who is clearly privy to more information than you and I.2 -
If I was him I’d step aside. He is a Charlton Legend, and should remain that way. He looks like he hasn’t slept for a few days.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Yup poor sod looks a broken man. This job is making him ill.Fortune 82nd Minute said:Jacksons post match interview is going to be fun.
He looked ill this time last week. God knows how he'll look tonight.0 -
Zero sympathy for the management team ..we have squad that most managers would give their right arm for…you have had a full week of training in the knowledge that the strikers are out so plan for it..tactility inept16
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ElliotCAFC said:Interesting comments from Karl Robinson:
“I don't think Johnnie Jackson is the one who should be looking at himself."
"I think a lot of other things might need to change to make this a good club"
"[Jackson] has the nouse and the understanding. Now he maybe needs to be given the a bit more the reins to do what he needs to do. Maybe that may change."Obviously he’s going to defend his mate after a loss like that, but it certainly adds fuel to the fire when discussing how much TS (and Martin Sandgaard) are overly involved in things they fundamentally don’t understand.“They know that they’re going to be ultra-competitive.
“A lot of staff I brought in are still there so I know how good they are and how good Nigel (Adkins, Charlton boss) is.”
Robinson in August. It seemed to be a recurring theme the opposition manager bigging up Nigel at the start of the season.
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Like the rest, he is utter shit.Leuth said:As if my day couldn't get worse, two people have now given my adult son DJ the worst player mark, even though, unlike pretty much all of them, he
- took on his man
- got a couple of decent balls in
- made several tackles and interceptions
- stopped a counter attack with some good violence
- had a credible effort on goal
Surely he was subbed to protect him from a red card. Can't think what else. Instead of being subbed, we should have changed formation and let him loose6 -
Well I don't think hindsight was necessary on this occasion. From 2-3pm there was a great deal of foresight on the team selection.StrikerFirmani said:Thought we would lose because of the players out situation, but disappointed it seems a clear cut 0-4 hammering at home.
Maybe the sensible thing was to play a back 5 with plenty of aerial power and play percentage football. However things usually get worse before they get better and it is easy to suggest what should or could have been done in hindsight.
Players will be judged overall for their display or lack of it and the reality is too many in this squad fall short. My hope is that JJ is also making his judgment of them in this extreme situation. Stand up and be counted or expect to be moved on.0 -
What happened. …
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Funnily enough that wasn’t our worst performance of the season by some way.
I’m not saying anything new here but the whole thing needs ripping up and starting again. Let all the out of contract players go and try to shift the duds like Jaiyesimi (probably won’t be possible as no one would want to pay a fee for any of them). Unfortunately the reality is we’ll keep the majority of players and make a couple of signings late in the summer window, and repeat.0 -
I’d just pick the names out of a hat. If Campbell ends up in goal then so be it.Mendonca In Asdas said:
How do you pick a team up after that?AndyG said:Tuesday will be interesting4 -
Doesn’t reflect well on JJ for me. Clearly these are his words/thoughts through Robinson. This media game he is playing is dangerous, considering how woeful we are.LouisMend said:8 -
We lost.
Badly.
Yes we have key players out but I've seen fewer passengers on a rush hour London bus.
All the elements of the winning run, energy, closing down, movement, passing, have disappeared.
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Come on, there’s a monumental difference between a manager bigging up the opposition on game-week 2 and a manager pointing fingers at a clubs structure 32 games in.Cafc43v3r said:ElliotCAFC said:Interesting comments from Karl Robinson:
“I don't think Johnnie Jackson is the one who should be looking at himself."
"I think a lot of other things might need to change to make this a good club"
"[Jackson] has the nouse and the understanding. Now he maybe needs to be given the a bit more the reins to do what he needs to do. Maybe that may change."Obviously he’s going to defend his mate after a loss like that, but it certainly adds fuel to the fire when discussing how much TS (and Martin Sandgaard) are overly involved in things they fundamentally don’t understand.“They know that they’re going to be ultra-competitive.
“A lot of staff I brought in are still there so I know how good they are and how good Nigel (Adkins, Charlton boss) is.”
Robinson in August. It seemed to be a recurring theme the opposition manager bigging up Nigel at the start of the season.
One’s good PR every manager will do after a victory, the other is completely different.0 -
why does gilbey get away with stick on here? What does he offer? He had a good game against ipswich many months ago now but what else?8
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‘But we’re just 3 or 4 short of competing for the play offs’
‘There’s a player in Morgan’
‘Gilbey is a top quality player, we just need better around him’
Some of the guff written about this mob over the last few months. The poor players are really poor, the likes of Matthews. But, it’s the players we think are adequate/good we have to worry about. We are far too soft and forgiving in our assessment of our players. Bar Dobson, I genuinely think
we could probably get rid of the rest of them. None of them look like there’s anything to build a promotion team on. Even if we’d have had Stockley or Aneke or Washington today, we’re not getting a result. And if you’re thinking we can, it’s naivety on another level.
The club is broken I think. I love Jacko and was pleased he got the job, but I don’t think he’s that tactically astute. It was going to be tall order today regardless, but if we’ve got no forwards, why not play just not to get beat. Might not be adventurous, but after 2 defeats in a row and a depleted squad, do all you can to stop the rot. If you don’t, you get what happened today, and now morale will be rock bottom.I think there’s a number of players that don’t care, a number of players that aren’t good enough and a number of players that don’t care and aren’t good enough
I’ve got some career maps for some of their next moves.
Elliott ‘Cul de Sac’ Lee - the man that can take 20 yards of space and twist and turn his way into 2 yards of space is destined for a big move to Northampton in the summer. He’s seen what Johnny Williams has achieved getting a move to Swindon, and he thinks he can do that at Northampton. Absolute cobblers
Talking of Swindon, DJ Bleak, Jayisemi must go back there on a season long loan next season.Morgan is a local lad and I think he would thrive with a move down the a2 to Gillingham.Gilbey, a man who has bluffed his way into a lot of our fans’ hearts as someone we can build a midfield around, would be a formidable force, pointing and making marauding runs to nowhere at Cheltenham
Leko, a midlands lad, unlikely to secure a renewed deal at Birmingham, must move slightly further west to the mighty Shrewsbury and do all his step overs to a new audience who will very quickly realise it’s all fart and no shit
Famewo, released by Norwich, will face a toss up between a choice of Colchester Utd or Leyton Orient
Matthews and Gunter fool big spenders Wrexham into paying them big money based on their Welsh roots, to eek out their careers telling their fellow players that Gareth Bale sometimes lets them come to his house after the Welsh National team beat Albania and other lesser teams in world and euro cup qualifiers
Watson gets a one year deal at Ebbsfleet
Pearce brings his brand of grappling to Colchester United. The Western Homes Community stadium have never had it so good.
I could go on, but I am bored talking about such a gutless, weak bunch of players. Roll on a clear out (hopefully)22 -
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We started brightly, but the lack of a recognised striker was painfully evident
Now, I sit lower west stand on half way line - after about 20 mins Robinson gestured to one of the Oxford defenders - said defender then feigned injury - play stopped - most of the Oxford players went over to away dugout - this was without doubt part of their plan - Robinson changed formation - they then proceeded to rip us a new arsehole
I could see it, as could the people around me - so if we could see it (their formation and approach change) the Jacko and the rest of the coaching staff will have seen it
So the question is - did he and the coaches know what to do to counter, but lacked the right players to change things - or did he and the coaches not know what to do ???When the team sheet was announced I was aghast - no striker starting, but Burstow on the bench - Lavelle on the bench, but a makeshift defender starting
Utterly shocking performance today, and for the first time EVER I left early, indeed on 80 minutes
Total rebuild needed in summer - but that is going to cost ££££’s - does TS have the desire to do that ??0-4 at home to fucking Oxford Utd - I looked at our superb stadium during the game today, and felt so low - it and us fans deserve soooo much better
Love the guy, but I’m starting to understand TS apparent reticence in appointing Jacko full time - he has fudged it with a weird contract - looking at the games coming up, whilst we don’t know Jacko’s target, I cannot believe he is anywhere near the target
One positive was that the sausage roll I had at the ground today was pretty good9 -
Watch the defending for the 1st goal? Purrington had no idea where Taylor was. It was his man and you could see it coming. The 2nd goal was a simple over the top ball and Purrington again defended it badly. Purrington for me is a left back and today was played out of position. The tactics were wrong. Against a team like Oxford with no fwds we have to keep it tight and hope maybe a set piece would snatch a goal. Really poor.5
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I accept that the enforced absence of Stockley, Washington, Aneke and Fraser are major losses but, even so, that was abysmal.To be fair to Elliott Lee he did pretty well in that false 9 role in the first half but him and Leko as the main goal threat wouldn’t have frightened the Dog and Duck third team. Leko just isn’t a striker. In effect, 7 of the 11 starters were midfielders. WTAF?
Where’s the leadership on the pitch? Where’s the pride? Where’s the bottle? As soon as we concede the team visibly deflates.
The discipline is awful. Stupid tackles conceding yellow cards. Sean Clare has been a red card waiting to happen for a while now. Inniss was lucky not to follow him.I could go in for ages but this bunch of losers aren’t worth my effort.We need a complete rethink. Tactics, coaching, mentality, recruitment, the lot.Only two positives. Getting my PSA test and cheering the ball boy who kicked the ball into the Oxford player when he went down far too easily for far too long. Not a great return on my time and money investment is it?5 -
Something is very wrong at our club. Not sure I blame Jackson, we’ve been changing managers for years and it’s got us nowhere. It goes much deeper than just the manager.14
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Henry Irving said:We lost.
Badly.
Yes we have key players out but I've seen fewer passengers on a rush hour London bus.
All the elements of the winning run, energy, closing down, movement, passing, have disappeared.
This is what the real mystery is for me.
If it weren't for the caretaker period and some of the amazing performances it would be easy to say the players are just not up to it. But they played like title contenders for periods during then.
Likewise Jackson seemed to be able to get these performances out of them and did so so emphatically he could not not be appointed.
Would this set of players be better with a better manager?
Would this manager be better with a better manager?
Or maybe we just need both better players and a better manager to progress in this league.
That's the mystery that needs solving asap. Can't keep this not so merry go round season after season. So depressingly grim year after year.
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Sorry, forgot Purrington. He’s a West Country boy and Bristol Rovers feel that being closer to home can help him find form and reinvigorate his career where he turns in one okay performance every 6 or 7 games1
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Not going to start blaming Jackson, not yet... But do have a little bit of doubt in my head after he moaned about his Contract and then we got the latest piece from the club in midweek - As a result the comments from Robinson equally make me question where they're really coming from again, especially after Johnnie's PR support prior to getting the role.
Think what has frustrated me a lot today, is the fact that we dont have Stockley or Aneke, yet for some blighted reason, we seem insistent on continuing to play as though they're there - I mean why are we trying to put cross, after cross into the box for both Lee and Leko?
Yes I know the former managed to score from his head against Wigan, but that was a well placed cross, not something whipped into the box with pace - Its just plain lazy from those involved!!1 -
Quite easily I should imagine. Replace the player who looked like he didn’t want to be there, pick two players that are used to playing up front and scoring goals, the level doesn’t matter, goalscoring is a confidence thing, and shore up the defence with a captain. Nothing wrong with the midfield if they don’t need to also shore up the gaps in front of them and behind them as well as playing their own game.Mendonca In Asdas said:
How do you pick a team up after that?AndyG said:Tuesday will be interesting1 -
McGillvray is a shit keeper who only 'stoppeth one in 3)hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Entertaining afternoon. Oxford played some good football but were let down by their playacting.
McGivilray made some good saves but the rest of the team in red looked like they were unfamiliar with the game and didn't look interested.
We go again on Tuesday. MK Dons must be looking forward to the game.4 -
Sick Note Aneke on a 3.5 year contract tells you all you need to know about what a mess our club is in from Sandgaard down23
