We are totally exposed every season to varying degrees by losing key players and that has to be addressed in the summer. I think we seem to be more exposed than other clubs so it is a question that needs asking why it is. Some you are just unlucky with but others are crocks. Maybe that is the issue. And we are too reliant on too few players for goals. Personally I think it might be easier to fix than people think, but Jacko needs to be ruthless like Powell was before that title winning season.
Agree (if he’s still here), that includes moving on the likes of Matthews and Purrington. We’ll continue going backwards if we keep players because they’re ok and do a job. As reliable as Purrington can be at this level he doesn’t suit Jackson’s system. Wing backs need to add pace and much more of an attacking threat than Purrington offers.
We were doing OK until Matthews let his player run past him - he has been at fault now for 4 goals in 3 games and Jackson keeps playing him - the worse defender that I have seen pull on a Charlton shirt !! The guy can’t tackle and has no interest in the game . We were playing well until he came back In The side !
Surely we can recall Davison? Sheffield Wednesday must be quaking in their boots. To be truthful the MKD fans were very good, their team were decent...although they have a mistake or two in them nonetheless.
Once on loan you can't recall once the window is closed. Not in the EFL that is.Non league is different I believe.
I think a lesson has been learned about keeping players under contract that you no longer want. We got rid of Schwartz easily enough & we should have done the same in January with Watson, Souare, Pearce, Gunter & Matthews. Paid up their contracts so as to free up spaces for players Jacko wants & needs. Not aging players just seeing out their years.
Put them in and its a world of difference, last 2 games nobody is going to convince me we don't at least force a world class save or 3 from the opposition keepers.
Morgan hits a really decent dead ball and having Inniss to cause the chaos he does and actually lay the ball back into dangerous areas Stockley, Lavelle and can properly attack the ball makes such a difference too.
Doesn't detract how abject our bunch if coasters were again tonight, no energy at all, very little shape and a lot of "I don't want it you have it" passing going on.
We really need to be ruthless in the summer, far too many coasters in the squad and too many who aren't prepared to do the basic fundamentals required for football at this level
Tough watch tonight, Don't know what i can add. Just want a bit of pride and passion from the playing staff. Believe in JJ/Euell, don't quite know what the West country lad has bought to us.
But on the whole tonight we were shocking. Oh well i paid my ticket money watched a game of football, perhaps i am expecting too much.
I think some of the players being written off can be squad players. I think Gilbey and Lee have something to offer. I think Purrington isn't a centre half but at least is decent cover as a full back/wing back. Clare is a defensive midfielder but could be a decent squad player. We have to bring in a couple of midfielders who know wher ethe goal is or even just one if Forster-Caskey gets back to the player he was last season although he would be anoher injury risk. We need a dirty bastard forward who knows where the goal is to battle for a place with Stockley, Aneke and Washington. I think that player is Cole Stockton and he should be gettable.
We need a couple of centre halves at least and Matthews, Gunter and Watson need to go. If we can, give Pearce a coaching job and use him as a break the glass in case of emergency player. We need to work out whether CBT and DJ are worth keeping between now and the end of the season. Dobson is a real find and we should build the team around him. Morgan has had enough chances and it is best he goes.
Well, I thought we put in a better performance tonight compared to last Saturday.
MK are 3rd in the table and are a very good team. We did not disgrace ourselves but it was a big ask with at least 5 major players still unavailable. Once those players are available again Jackson will get results although it will be very late in the season.
It`s just been rotten luck we have been at our weakest when we have had to face the in form teams. We showed earlier we have a squad that can beat anyone in this league- when they are all fit.
I am confident the mood and the results will turn in our favour when those missing players are back. Lets hope its soon.
The fans emotions are understandably high on this thread tonight after another defeat but even Jackson can`t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
OK controversial I know, but if we played MKD with our best starting line up and they had to play minus their forward line I think we would win.
The other thing is I am an old fart, but modern players who have to have 'managed minutes' are a liability. Inniss / Aneke are good players but are actually of no use when unavailable. Please let us recruit a more robust player in future.
Think tonight was all about our missing strikers if we had Stockley and Washington tonight we would have won .. first half nothing between the sides decent display by the reds but one moment of hesitation from Matthews and we are one down …second half Burstow misses another guilt edge chance … and McG makes a great only fir the ball to fall to their striker who scores …. Tonight we kept battling and trying but without experienced strikers its impossible .
Burstow goes of injured and we end with DJ and Lee uk front that tells the story of tonight .. Mk Dons showed their confidence passing the ball around . What else can JJ do my only moan he should have given Campbell and Kanu longer
But we've lost games this season with Stockley & Washington playing. And with Washington & Aneke playing.
And I'm sure I keep being told that clean sheets win League titles......so missing your strikers shouldnt be a problem
Or have I been right all along that goals are important. 🙂
Not under Jackson...
And as for clean sheets not being important, are you not watching the games?
We're fucking clueless the moment the opposition stick the ball into our net
We could have Haaland and Mbappe out there and it wouldnt make a blind bit of difference
You missed my point.
Everyone is moaning that we dont have any strikers. But previously when I've mentioned our general lack of firepower I keep being told that it starts at the back. So missing 3 strikers shouldnt matter if we are keeping clean sheets.
So is it a defensive problem or a lack of striker problem.
Also- I have no idea of the stats but I see how you conveniently said that we haven't lost under Jackson with Stockley/Wash or Wash/Aneke, so I assume we did under Adkins.
Why cant it be both? - I get your point completely Golfie, but to work as a team both parts of the game have to be in sync - I mean look at all four Divisions, the team at the top of the table have scored the most goals scored AND least goals conceded (or are not far from it)
You talk constantly about scoring goals as they're the be all and end all, and would simply expect us to score five goals every week if it meant the opposition scored four - Promotion aint gonna ever happen that way.
The only reason I ignored what Stockley / Washington achieved under Adkins is simple (1) He's not our Manager anymore. (2) We lost five games when those two "played" together under Adkins, but they never played as a partnership - Washington was played as a winger.
Thought we played well in early spells. Were very poor after the first goal for the remainder of the game.
Depressing that we're reliant of some very poor sides below us regarding relegation prospects to league 2 rather than ability for that not to be a concern at this stage of the season.
I don't understand why Elliott Lee is getting criticism on here. He was one of our better players when he came on; showing for the ball, turning his defender, creating pressure and opportunities. Seems to be a bit of a habit to dig out the same players every match regardless of the reality of what happened.
Zero end product. He's Jonny Williams with hair
Not tonight. He did more than anyone else in a Charlton shirt, attack wise. That's my point - people criticise him out of habit rather than taking each performance on it's merits.
Football-wise it's lowest I've felt as a Charlton fan.
Teams are coming to The Valley and just taking the piss. I've always identified with us being a team that are workmanlike, brave and hard to beat, even when we have bad players. Now we have bad players who are none of those things.
I’ll be honest, bar a brief period under Powell who sought those characteristics, I don’t think we’ve identified as that since Curbs and Lennie days. The complete opposite I think.
Think tonight was all about our missing strikers if we had Stockley and Washington tonight we would have won .. first half nothing between the sides decent display by the reds but one moment of hesitation from Matthews and we are one down …second half Burstow misses another guilt edge chance … and McG makes a great only fir the ball to fall to their striker who scores …. Tonight we kept battling and trying but without experienced strikers its impossible .
Burstow goes of injured and we end with DJ and Lee uk front that tells the story of tonight .. Mk Dons showed their confidence passing the ball around . What else can JJ do my only moan he should have given Campbell and Kanu longer
But we've lost games this season with Stockley & Washington playing. And with Washington & Aneke playing.
And I'm sure I keep being told that clean sheets win League titles......so missing your strikers shouldnt be a problem
Or have I been right all along that goals are important. 🙂
Not under Jackson...
And as for clean sheets not being important, are you not watching the games?
We're fucking clueless the moment the opposition stick the ball into our net
We could have Haaland and Mbappe out there and it wouldnt make a blind bit of difference
You missed my point.
Everyone is moaning that we dont have any strikers. But previously when I've mentioned our general lack of firepower I keep being told that it starts at the back. So missing 3 strikers shouldnt matter if we are keeping clean sheets.
So is it a defensive problem or a lack of striker problem.
Also- I have no idea of the stats but I see how you conveniently said that we haven't lost under Jackson with Stockley/Wash or Wash/Aneke, so I assume we did under Adkins.
Why cant it be both? - I get your point completely Golfie, but to work as a team both parts of the game have to be in sync - I mean look at all four Divisions, the team at the top of the table have scored the most goals scored AND least goals conceded (or are not far from it)
You talk constantly about scoring goals as they're the be all and end all, and would simply expect us to score five goals every week if it meant the opposition scored four - Promotion aint gonna ever happen that way.
The only reason I ignored what Stockley / Washington achieved under Adkins is simple (1) He's not our Manager anymore. (2) We lost five games when those two "played" together under Adkins, but they never played as a partnership - Washington was played as a winger.
If you offer more goal threat it can make opponents more cautious and less likely to score against you. We are woefully short of goals through the team and where we do have it - in our forwards - we can't cope when they are all out because we don't have it anywhere else. When teams suss that out in a game, they can be more open and create more as it is less risky for them.
Think tonight was all about our missing strikers if we had Stockley and Washington tonight we would have won .. first half nothing between the sides decent display by the reds but one moment of hesitation from Matthews and we are one down …second half Burstow misses another guilt edge chance … and McG makes a great only fir the ball to fall to their striker who scores …. Tonight we kept battling and trying but without experienced strikers its impossible .
Burstow goes of injured and we end with DJ and Lee uk front that tells the story of tonight .. Mk Dons showed their confidence passing the ball around . What else can JJ do my only moan he should have given Campbell and Kanu longer
But we've lost games this season with Stockley & Washington playing. And with Washington & Aneke playing.
And I'm sure I keep being told that clean sheets win League titles......so missing your strikers shouldnt be a problem
Or have I been right all along that goals are important. 🙂
Not under Jackson...
And as for clean sheets not being important, are you not watching the games?
We're fucking clueless the moment the opposition stick the ball into our net
We could have Haaland and Mbappe out there and it wouldnt make a blind bit of difference
You missed my point.
Everyone is moaning that we dont have any strikers. But previously when I've mentioned our general lack of firepower I keep being told that it starts at the back. So missing 3 strikers shouldnt matter if we are keeping clean sheets.
So is it a defensive problem or a lack of striker problem.
Also- I have no idea of the stats but I see how you conveniently said that we haven't lost under Jackson with Stockley/Wash or Wash/Aneke, so I assume we did under Adkins.
Why cant it be both? - I get your point completely Golfie, but to work as a team both parts of the game have to be in sync - I mean look at all four Divisions, the team at the top of the table have scored the most goals scored AND least goals conceded (or are not far from it)
You talk constantly about scoring goals as they're the be all and end all, and would simply expect us to score five goals every week if it meant the opposition scored four - Promotion aint gonna ever happen that way.
The only reason I ignored what Stockley / Washington achieved under Adkins is simple (1) He's not our Manager anymore. (2) We lost five games when those two "played" together under Adkins, but they never played as a partnership - Washington was played as a winger.
If you offer more goal threat it can make opponents more cautious and less likely to score against you. We are woefully short of goals through the team and where we do have it - in our forwards - we can't cope when they are all out because we don't have it anywhere else. When teams suss that out in a game, they can be more open and create more as it is less risky for them.
I agree - But surely it makes life easier for Strikers knowing that they've got players in defence behind them who'll keep the ball out of the net... At the moment we've got forward players who cant afford to miss a single effort on goal, because the opposition will waltz through our back line.
That pressure equally needs to be taken away from the Strikers...?
I don't understand why Elliott Lee is getting criticism on here. He was one of our better players when he came on; showing for the ball, turning his defender, creating pressure and opportunities. Seems to be a bit of a habit to dig out the same players every match regardless of the reality of what happened.
Zero end product. He's Jonny Williams with hair
Personally for me he did a couple of frustrating things when he came on. Managed to fashion some space on the edge of the area where it looked like it would open up for shot and he tried to pass it across to someone and it hit the defender, then when he wriggled free of his man and got to the byline, he put over a weak ball along the floor that got cut out for a corner. Agree with Croydon to an extent. Reminds me of a meatier version of Williams with little end product
I think I've seen him play more games at the Valley than half the Charlton team. He even had time tonight to coach young Burstow in how to manage his injury.
I thought the performance was much better tonight compared to Saturday and yes it does matter when we have no strikers because if you’re a midfielder a winger or anyone for that matter and you’re playing the ball forward your thinking in the back of your head how are we going to score?
Think tonight was all about our missing strikers if we had Stockley and Washington tonight we would have won .. first half nothing between the sides decent display by the reds but one moment of hesitation from Matthews and we are one down …second half Burstow misses another guilt edge chance … and McG makes a great only fir the ball to fall to their striker who scores …. Tonight we kept battling and trying but without experienced strikers its impossible .
Burstow goes of injured and we end with DJ and Lee uk front that tells the story of tonight .. Mk Dons showed their confidence passing the ball around . What else can JJ do my only moan he should have given Campbell and Kanu longer
But we've lost games this season with Stockley & Washington playing. And with Washington & Aneke playing.
And I'm sure I keep being told that clean sheets win League titles......so missing your strikers shouldnt be a problem
Or have I been right all along that goals are important. 🙂
Not under Jackson...
And as for clean sheets not being important, are you not watching the games?
We're fucking clueless the moment the opposition stick the ball into our net
We could have Haaland and Mbappe out there and it wouldnt make a blind bit of difference
You missed my point.
Everyone is moaning that we dont have any strikers. But previously when I've mentioned our general lack of firepower I keep being told that it starts at the back. So missing 3 strikers shouldnt matter if we are keeping clean sheets.
So is it a defensive problem or a lack of striker problem.
Also- I have no idea of the stats but I see how you conveniently said that we haven't lost under Jackson with Stockley/Wash or Wash/Aneke, so I assume we did under Adkins.
Why cant it be both? - I get your point completely Golfie, but to work as a team both parts of the game have to be in sync - I mean look at all four Divisions, the team at the top of the table have scored the most goals scored AND least goals conceded (or are not far from it)
You talk constantly about scoring goals as they're the be all and end all, and would simply expect us to score five goals every week if it meant the opposition scored four - Promotion aint gonna ever happen that way.
The only reason I ignored what Stockley / Washington achieved under Adkins is simple (1) He's not our Manager anymore. (2) We lost five games when those two "played" together under Adkins, but they never played as a partnership - Washington was played as a winger.
I get your point & I'm being flippant with the goals v clean sheets mantra.
BUT
You cant say that because Washington was playing out wider (he's not a winger) then the stats dont count. He was on the pitch at the same time as Stockley. Now both are injured. So we lost when they both played & we lost when they didn't. Or should Jacko play MacGillivray up front just so the stats wont count ?
There were only two players in that side tonight who will be here when we eventually win promotion (providing they don’t move on to better things beforehand).
Dobson and Lavelle.
You’re half right if Lavelle’s in the team for long we’ll be leaking goals every week
Think tonight was all about our missing strikers if we had Stockley and Washington tonight we would have won .. first half nothing between the sides decent display by the reds but one moment of hesitation from Matthews and we are one down …second half Burstow misses another guilt edge chance … and McG makes a great only fir the ball to fall to their striker who scores …. Tonight we kept battling and trying but without experienced strikers its impossible .
Burstow goes of injured and we end with DJ and Lee uk front that tells the story of tonight .. Mk Dons showed their confidence passing the ball around . What else can JJ do my only moan he should have given Campbell and Kanu longer
But we've lost games this season with Stockley & Washington playing. And with Washington & Aneke playing.
And I'm sure I keep being told that clean sheets win League titles......so missing your strikers shouldnt be a problem
Or have I been right all along that goals are important. 🙂
Not under Jackson...
And as for clean sheets not being important, are you not watching the games?
We're fucking clueless the moment the opposition stick the ball into our net
We could have Haaland and Mbappe out there and it wouldnt make a blind bit of difference
You missed my point.
Everyone is moaning that we dont have any strikers. But previously when I've mentioned our general lack of firepower I keep being told that it starts at the back. So missing 3 strikers shouldnt matter if we are keeping clean sheets.
So is it a defensive problem or a lack of striker problem.
Also- I have no idea of the stats but I see how you conveniently said that we haven't lost under Jackson with Stockley/Wash or Wash/Aneke, so I assume we did under Adkins.
Why cant it be both? - I get your point completely Golfie, but to work as a team both parts of the game have to be in sync - I mean look at all four Divisions, the team at the top of the table have scored the most goals scored AND least goals conceded (or are not far from it)
You talk constantly about scoring goals as they're the be all and end all, and would simply expect us to score five goals every week if it meant the opposition scored four - Promotion aint gonna ever happen that way.
The only reason I ignored what Stockley / Washington achieved under Adkins is simple (1) He's not our Manager anymore. (2) We lost five games when those two "played" together under Adkins, but they never played as a partnership - Washington was played as a winger.
If you offer more goal threat it can make opponents more cautious and less likely to score against you. We are woefully short of goals through the team and where we do have it - in our forwards - we can't cope when they are all out because we don't have it anywhere else. When teams suss that out in a game, they can be more open and create more as it is less risky for them.
I agree - But surely it makes life easier for Strikers knowing that they've got players in defence behind them who'll keep the ball out of the net... At the moment we've got forward players who cant afford to miss a single effort on goal, because the opposition will waltz through our back line.
That pressure equally needs to be taken away from the Strikers...?
I would accept that were it not for the fact they are crap strikers, That is a little harsh, Burstow simply isn't ready. He may well learn a lot playing at this time but why are we teaching him for somebody else's benefit.
The thing is, that chance in the first half, I knew Burstow would kick it first time at the defender even though he was just in front of him. I can see how he plays. Now if that was Lee he would try to make an angle around the dfender or even beat him. He may not have done so, but that is how you score in that situation. Burstow is a bit too much like an U-23 player which is fair enough because that is what he is and one with a lot of potential at that. But we are better off without him at this time.
To have some perspective, it was always going to be a tall order given the injuries and the level of opposition. However, even with 2 of the 3 forwards at our disposal, I have to say, it’s not a game we’re winning. I see comments like ‘Jackson has never lost when he’s started Aneke & Stockley, or Washington & Stockley’. It’s the same desperate crap we used to come out with last season about getting Inniss and Famewo back.
What is it going to take for the ‘it’ll be alright when X is back’ or ‘we’re just a few players short of promotion’ brigade to realise we’re f***** with this squad. So many players are just crap. Finally good to see so many highlight how crap Gilbey is. Got a massively unwarranted fanbase off the back of a few goals last season and that run under Adkins, but he’s a weak and tepid footballer with no end product. I sometimes wonder if I just don’t understand football when I see people saying Morgan will come good, or Gilbey just needs better around him.
We’re a squad of largely crap players who aren’t showing any fight. Leko. Everything about him says, I’ll go on to play club football in Malta. This is just going to turn into an incoherent ramble of anger, with very little constructive to say, so I’ll close it here. Just an absolute shower of cabbages.
Also, if Aneke is out injured again for a long period, then the levels of incompetence in re-signing him are through the roof. 3 and a half year deal as well. We’ll get about a year’s football out of those 3 and a half. The Aneke equation. One month’s football for every 3 he’s contracted.
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Put them in and its a world of difference, last 2 games nobody is going to convince me we don't at least force a world class save or 3 from the opposition keepers.
Morgan hits a really decent dead ball and having Inniss to cause the chaos he does and actually lay the ball back into dangerous areas Stockley, Lavelle and can properly attack the ball makes such a difference too.
Doesn't detract how abject our bunch if coasters were again tonight, no energy at all, very little shape and a lot of "I don't want it you have it" passing going on.
We really need to be ruthless in the summer, far too many coasters in the squad and too many who aren't prepared to do the basic fundamentals required for football at this level
Believe in JJ/Euell, don't quite know what the West country lad has bought to us.
But on the whole tonight we were shocking. Oh well i paid my ticket money watched a game of football,
perhaps i am expecting too much.
We need a couple of centre halves at least and Matthews, Gunter and Watson need to go. If we can, give Pearce a coaching job and use him as a break the glass in case of emergency player. We need to work out whether CBT and DJ are worth keeping between now and the end of the season. Dobson is a real find and we should build the team around him. Morgan has had enough chances and it is best he goes.
MK are 3rd in the table and are a very good team. We did not disgrace ourselves but it was a big ask with at least 5 major players still unavailable. Once those players are available again Jackson will get results although it will be very late in the season.
It`s just been rotten luck we have been at our weakest when we have had to face the in form teams. We showed earlier we have a squad that can beat anyone in this league- when they are all fit.
I am confident the mood and the results will turn in our favour when those missing players are back. Lets hope its soon.
The fans emotions are understandably high on this thread tonight after another defeat but even Jackson can`t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
The other thing is I am an old fart, but modern players who have to have 'managed minutes' are a liability. Inniss / Aneke are good players but are actually of no use when unavailable. Please let us recruit a more robust player in future.
You talk constantly about scoring goals as they're the be all and end all, and would simply expect us to score five goals every week if it meant the opposition scored four - Promotion aint gonna ever happen that way.
The only reason I ignored what Stockley / Washington achieved under Adkins is simple (1) He's not our Manager anymore. (2) We lost five games when those two "played" together under Adkins, but they never played as a partnership - Washington was played as a winger.
Depressing that we're reliant of some very poor sides below us regarding relegation prospects to league 2 rather than ability for that not to be a concern at this stage of the season.
Grim.
That pressure equally needs to be taken away from the Strikers...?
I think I've seen him play more games at the Valley than half the Charlton team. He even had time tonight to coach young Burstow in how to manage his injury.
BUT
You cant say that because Washington was playing out wider (he's not a winger) then the stats dont count. He was on the pitch at the same time as Stockley. Now both are injured. So we lost when they both played & we lost when they didn't. Or should Jacko play MacGillivray up front just so the stats wont count ?
if Lavelle’s in the team for long we’ll be leaking goals every week
The thing is, that chance in the first half, I knew Burstow would kick it first time at the defender even though he was just in front of him. I can see how he plays. Now if that was Lee he would try to make an angle around the dfender or even beat him. He may not have done so, but that is how you score in that situation. Burstow is a bit too much like an U-23 player which is fair enough because that is what he is and one with a lot of potential at that. But we are better off without him at this time.
What is it going to take for the ‘it’ll be alright when X is back’ or ‘we’re just a few players short of promotion’ brigade to realise we’re f***** with this squad. So many players are just crap. Finally good to see so many highlight how crap Gilbey is. Got a massively unwarranted fanbase off the back of a few goals last season and that run under Adkins, but he’s a weak and tepid footballer with no end product. I sometimes wonder if I just don’t understand football when I see people saying Morgan will come good, or Gilbey just needs better around him.