Anyone remember the infamous team talks after Plymouth and Burton…the reality is he wasn’t up to the job, better doing it now so the new manager can bring his own players in.
So we're now basically going into the summer with no Manager
But apparently we know our targets
Like @Cafc43v3r has said a few times, how can we build a squad of players, when they may well be individuals that the new man doesnt even want - This for me, sets us back massively.
What’s to say our targets aren’t those the new manager wants? Sandgard could have been talking to someone to take over for a while.
I thought this was inevitable. I don't think Sandgaard really wanted JJ when he got the job full time after Adkins. Also TS is basically an American businessman and American businesses hire and fire for fun. I would be very surprised if this wasn't decided a while ago and I'd also be surprised if we don't get a relatively quick ( foreign, possibly even American ) replacement who has already been lined up.
So we're now basically going into the summer with no Manager
But apparently we know our targets
Like @Cafc43v3r has said a few times, how can we build a squad of players, when they may well be individuals that the new man doesnt even want - This for me, sets us back massively.
What’s to say our targets aren’t those the new manager wants? Sandgard could have been talking to someone to take over for a while.
I think it's nieve to think he hasn't got someone lined up. I also think it's nieve to think who ever the manager is will have total control over transfers anyway.
JJ wasn’t working. Maybe he could have had another season, but of course it would have been a risk.
However, I have absolutely run out of patience with Sandgard. Thanks for rescuing us from the clutches of the criminal element and all that, but the bloke is totally clueless. The worst part is that he has no idea how clueless he is.
I have absolutely no faith in his ability to get a decent manager and support him properly in the transfer market.
JJ wasn’t working. Maybe he could have had another season, but of course it would have been a risk.
However, I have absolutely run out of patience with Sandgard. Thanks for rescuing us from the clutches of the criminal element and all that, but the bloke is totally clueless. The worst part is that he has no idea how clueless he is.
I have absolutely no faith in his ability to get a decent manager and support him properly in the transfer market.
JJ wasn’t working. Maybe he could have had another season, but of course it would have been a risk.
However, I have absolutely run out of patience with Sandgard. Thanks for rescuing us from the clutches of the criminal element and all that, but the bloke is totally clueless. The worst part is that he has no idea how clueless he is.
I have absolutely no faith in his ability to get a decent manager and support him properly in the transfer market.
On the owner deciding the way the team plays, he/they kind of do decide that with the person they recruit and the footballing style that person brings. If TS wants high press high tempo, he needs to find someone who’s footballing philosophy is that
He’s also got to sign the correct players to be able to play that style. Struggling to see how Kirk or Fraser fits into that high press style. I don’t mind the owner deciding how he wants us to play, but the strategy needs to be joined up.
Very similar to the ticketing issue. I like what he’s trying to achieve but his strategy seems bizarre.
Only just read that Jacko was informed of this decision by PHONE yesterday afternoon.
What does that tell you about our owner ?
RESPECT clearly doesn't appear in the American version of the English dictionary.
Everyone has their opinion about the sacking but how can anyone condone the manner in which TS conducted this piece of "business"?
Would you have preferred email or a Zoom call?
Pathetic response. He was here sunday & could easily have rearranged his flight home to meet with JJ yesterday. Cowardly behaviour & as Fanny said total lack of respect.
And I know for sure that he had a 9am meeting with someone at the club yesterday so didn't fly back over the Pond too early.....
JJ wasn’t working. Maybe he could have had another season, but of course it would have been a risk.
However, I have absolutely run out of patience with Sandgard. Thanks for rescuing us from the clutches of the criminal element and all that, but the bloke is totally clueless. The worst part is that he has no idea how clueless he is.
I have absolutely no faith in his ability to get a decent manager and support him properly in the transfer market.
Exactly this…..Or in running the club, building a professional recruitment process and structure or even committing enough money to support the stated goals.
I guess if we are blessed with derby matches against Bromley and Woking in the next couple of years, we will know the answer
Very sad day for our club and for Jacko, this is not who we are as a club.
The combinations of Sandgaard’s parsimony and Nigel “I was a top manager ten years ago” Adkins incompetence killed our season by October.
Jackson picked up the pieces and did as well as you could expect given the train wreck he inherited, yes there were some bad days but there were more good ones as his record shows.
Bottom line? Sangaard has turned out to be the worst owner we have had since the wheels came off in 2007 with our relegation from the Premier League.
Sure, Roland was awful at first but eventually settled down a bit and learned to keep away, but Sangaard keeps intervening and getting the big calls completely wrong, simply because the man knows absolutely nothing about football whatsoever.
Very, very sad day for our club and we need this guy out of the club before we can progress.
I wouldn't go that far but I do stand by my posts of last summer when I said that there isnt much difference between RD & TS. In fact, as it stands, TS is looking like 2nd choice of the 2.
Gutted, and not just because I'm sad to see it fall apart for a club legend like this. Given he came in when we were in the relegation places, and we've had major injury problems in central defence or with the strikers for huge chunks of the season, I think mid-table is a reasonable finish. I understand to some extent the grumblings about the style of football played and the apparent tactical rigidity, but I'm not sure how much of that is a matter of necessity given the players we currently have, particularly given the comments about "keeping it simple" after Adkins went.
I'm also gutted about the timing. I was already concerned that we hadn't sorted out deals for various out of contract players, when normally that's been sorted out by now. Either the rebuild is going to be an even bigger job than already anticipated, or we're going to be wasting time in the summer on those renegotiations that we should be spending tying down new players. And now all those renewals and new signings are going to be further delayed because we don't have a manager. Given it was only a couple of days ago that Sandgaard was telling Charlton Live that we were going to get our recruitment started early this season, this already wasn't sitting right with me, but his comments about "we might go up to the beginning of pre-season" in our search for a manager seems like he doesn't understand the potential impact of what he's just gone and done. How many players are going to sign for a club when they don't know who their manager's going to be? And having to sort all this out from Colorado is just going to make it even more difficult.
Oh well, at least this means I don't have to catch up on the 600 odd posts on the "Jackson has to go" thread
Mixed feelings. Never bought into this jacko legend stuff. Played a lot of games granted, but seen many far better players through the door than him. In saying that, thought he did ok as a manager and we can’t keep pulling the trigger on managers. We need some stability ffs and the lad needed to learn the ropes as a manager.
Glad Thomas did it sooner rather than later tho if he was going to do it. As my contradictory post would suggest, I have mixed feelings!
Mixed feelings. Never bought into this jacko legend stuff. Played a lot of games granted, but seen many far better players through the door than him. In saying that, thought he did ok as a manager and we can’t keep pulling the trigger on managers. We need some stability ffs and the lad needed to learn the ropes as a manager.
Glad Thomas did it sooner rather than later tho if he was going to do it. As my contradictory post would suggest, I have mixed feelings!
You taking the piss? Jackson was clearly not a top flight player but we were a third and then second tier team. In that period, he was a legend, absolutely no doubt about it.
Gutted to see Jacko exit the club. He has been the one constant and positive at this club for what feels like an eternity. Good luck in your future career Jacko.
Some months ago TS said JJ had a relatively easy performance target in his contract this season.
He took over with us on 9 points from 13 games. To finish 8th he needed to change that bottom 4 form around to get another 68 points in 33 games. More than 2 points a game = a league winning run. This was his "easy" target. What a fucking nonsense. No wonder JJ was so demoralized so quickly. I have done a job with an impossible target and it was bloody miserable.
On Sunday TS said on a recording that JJ was a legend. Why go there if you are going to fire the bloke two days later? He didn't need to. Just disingenuous, salesy ball shit which is becoming more and more regular.
If Carlsberg did football takeovers it would not be a TS one, that is for sure!
I have no faith in him getting the next appointment right and this madness of it possibly taking until pre-season to get it right, seriously!! Has he learnt nothing?
He openly admitted it was the recruitment and speed of that which ballsed this season so either we repeat the same mistakes or he goes off with Sandgaard junior and his powerful shot and buys a load of random players for the new guy to form into our high press team with the immobile Stockley, Aneke and one paced Lavelle at the heart of it. Jesus wept.
The positive is that Sandgaard does not have the financial clout to hang around like Roland did. If he turns out to be a poor owner he won't be a poor owner for too long.
I’m sorry but top8 wasn’t impossible and that’s not the reason why he was sacked regardless. It’s because of the playstyle and the teams we lost to, who had far worse squads than us on paper. Are we forgetting that we had a terrible drop off where in 14 games he managed 3 wins, 2 draws and 9 losses? Can’t be an excuse about the squad there either cause prior to that we beat the table toppers Plymouth and beat Sunderland. He had a new manager bounce, plain and simple and then was found out when the momentum was gone.
After we beat Pompey I believe Sheffield Wednesday were 7-9 points ahead of us. They finished on 85 and us 59. We definitely could have got into the top 8. Not that it matters cause ultimately we never played good football and it wasn’t gonna change next season regardless. I see a lot of posts about a stubborn owner, I see a stubborn manager who had the opportunity to land the job but insisted on a formation even when a side like Morecambe were playing us off the park at home
Watching the post match interview, I had a really sad feeling. Jacko struck me as being very young, innocent and a tad naive. I like the man immensely, but I don't think he was ready to run our club and didn't think so when Adkins went.
Hope he now goes on to cut his teeth with a smaller club, less pressure and I'm sure he will become a success.
From a financial point of view I didn't agree with giving him a a preseason and picking his own players. Many said let's do just that and judge him after 15 games.
As an owner that wouldn't make any sense.
Load ourselves up with players on 2/3/4 year contracts and after 15 games if its not working then offload the man who brought them in to play a rigid 532. That I think is Jacko's Achilles heel. The unwillingness to have a plan b/c
The owner has been bold. Do I agree with how he runs the club? Not really.
However it's his £8 million a season and not mine.
Purely from a business angle he has done what he thinks is right.
I sincerely hope we completely change the coaching staff and the mentality of the players.
Watching the training clips reminded me of lads having a laugh on their holidays. There seemed to be a lack of professionalism and I remember Fraser being a bit shocked at the silly camera quotes such as "What superhero would you be" he turned to another player and said " is this serious"
These are grown men, professional athletes being paid salaries many of us could only dream about.
Let's see who we appoint and just hope that if the owner is being advised by whoever, the advice is solid and professional and Thomas doesn't let his ego carry him in the wrong direction.
New manager, new coaches and an experienced CEO and we could be off and running in the right direction.
Fingers crossed
Thanks Jacko and all the best, you're a decent bloke .
Some of the comments in this thread are amazing 😂 - anyway…
I didn’t see it coming - thought all the noises from TS were that JJ had the summer and had resigned myself to that thought. I wasn’t keen on JJ being appointed initially albeit when he won all those games as caretaker agreed it was impossible to not give him a chance. Tactical inflexibility and seeming lack of ideas to turn things around during a bad patch meant I wasn’t looking forward to next season, never mind the fact that he seemed to be broken by the pressures of it all when things turned bad.
Surprised that ever growing numbers are turning on TS, but perhaps in this situation JJ meant more to them than me personally. As the saying goes, football is a results business. Any distaste towards ownership is greatly reduced with success on the pitch, as has been shown before. I didn’t feel with JJ in charge that we would be looking at a promotion season ahead - I now feel ‘slightly’ more positive that we may get a management team that are better placed to deliver the promotion which is the one thing we can all agree we want!!
I’m sorry but top8 wasn’t impossible and that’s not the reason why he was sacked regardless. It’s because of the play style and the teams we lost to, who had far worst squads than us on paper. Are we forgetting that we had a terrible drop off where in 14 games he managed 3 wins, 2 draws and 9 losses? Can’t be an excuse about the squad there either cause prior to that we beat the table toppers Plymouth and beat Sunderland. He had a new manager bounce, plain and simple and then was found out when the momentum was gone.
After we beat Pompey I believe Sheffield Wednesday were 7-9 points ahead of us. They finished on 85 and us 59. We definitely could have got into the top 8. Not that it matters cause ultimately we never played good football and it wasn’t gonna change next season regardless. I see a lot of posts about a stubborn owner, I see a stubborn manager who had the opportunity to land the job but insisted on a formation even when a side like Morecambe were playing us off the park at home
Yes we could have reached the top 8, but it wasn't realistic. It's not just about Jackson's style, he essentially started with a points deduction with a bang average squad. 13th was overachieving, but we weren't 13th in the table from the point Jackson took charge.
I've got no problem with people thinking Jackson was right to be let go, but to expect him to finish top 8 from the position we were in when he took charge is pretty ludicrous.
Perhaps the new appointed Manager will be given total control (ie TS keeping out of things) I don't know about you but the owner should let his money do the talking and should not be popping up every week with a Tweet on every game etc
Time was when the likes of Clough, Shankly, Ferguson and Wenger were in charge. And the money men kept out the way. Any potential manager would take one look at this busybody with his awful guitar playing and wild pronouncements "we will p*** this league" and think "no thanks".
As for those talking about Dyche and Warnock et al!!! Erm, we are currently an inept third division side and they are premiership managers from the north. What on earth (other than a billion quid) would attract either to these backwaters.
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TS needs to get this next appointment right.
JJ - I wish you all the best for the future.
Nail on the head!
Some months ago TS said JJ had a relatively easy performance target in his contract this season.
He took over with us on 9 points from 13 games. To finish 8th he needed to change that bottom 4 form around to get another 68 points in 33 games. More than 2 points a game = a league winning run. This was his "easy" target. What a fucking nonsense. No wonder JJ was so demoralized so quickly. I have done a job with an impossible target and it was bloody miserable.
On Sunday TS said on a recording that JJ was a legend. Why go there if you are going to fire the bloke two days later? He didn't need to. Just disingenuous, salesy ball shit which is becoming more and more regular.
If Carlsberg did football takeovers it would not be a TS one, that is for sure!
I have no faith in him getting the next appointment right and this madness of it possibly taking until pre-season to get it right, seriously!! Has he learnt nothing?
He openly admitted it was the recruitment and speed of that which ballsed this season so either we repeat the same mistakes or he goes off with Sandgaard junior and his powerful shot and buys a load of random players for the new guy to form into our high press team with the immobile Stockley, Aneke and one paced Lavelle at the heart of it. Jesus wept.
From a financial point of view I didn't agree with giving him a a preseason and picking his own players. Many said let's do just that and judge him after 15 games.
The owner has been bold. Do I agree with how he runs the club? Not really.
Watching the training clips reminded me of lads having a laugh on their holidays. There seemed to be a lack of professionalism and I remember Fraser being a bit shocked at the silly camera quotes such as "What superhero would you be" he turned to another player and said " is this serious"
These are grown men, professional athletes being paid salaries many of us could only dream about.
Let's see who we appoint and just hope that if the owner is being advised by whoever, the advice is solid and professional and Thomas doesn't let his ego carry him in the wrong direction.
Thanks Jacko and all the best, you're a decent bloke .
I didn’t see it coming - thought all the noises from TS were that JJ had the summer and had resigned myself to that thought. I wasn’t keen on JJ being appointed initially albeit when he won all those games as caretaker agreed it was impossible to not give him a chance. Tactical inflexibility and seeming lack of ideas to turn things around during a bad patch meant I wasn’t looking forward to next season, never mind the fact that he seemed to be broken by the pressures of it all when things turned bad.
I've got no problem with people thinking Jackson was right to be let go, but to expect him to finish top 8 from the position we were in when he took charge is pretty ludicrous.
I really hope that's incorrect and the club didn't decide to sack a servant of 12 years over the phone. Surely he deserved to be told face-to-face.
Time was when the likes of Clough, Shankly, Ferguson and Wenger were in charge. And the money men kept out the way. Any potential manager would take one look at this busybody with his awful guitar playing and wild pronouncements "we will p*** this league" and think "no thanks".
As for those talking about Dyche and Warnock et al!!! Erm, we are currently an inept third division side and they are premiership managers from the north. What on earth (other than a billion quid) would attract either to these backwaters.
#realitycheckneeded!