Finishing lower midtable in league one every season for the next 5 + years. Somethings gotta change one way or another. By that I don't mean get relegated!
Can we also stop suggesting our own fans dont have the required continuous loyalty for whatever is thrown our way. That attitude doesn't help and its just another way of giving up. It's shooting ourselves in the foot.
Oh dear this is all turning very sad. From high Hope's to what we have now in 2 years. I think it safe to say that "project premiership in 5 years" has failed. The ownership is now at a stage where they are having to try to use smoke & mirrors in order to control the messages. Now we have "fake news" being used to explain a couple of negative twitter posts. It is obvious TS has had enough and he is looking to try to stem the losses. Eventually he will bail out. Unfortunately for us I think it far more likely that if he does want £25m for us the terms will be £25m with a deposit of £1 to someone of Bassinis ilk. Such a shame after the recent hope
Can we all perhaps make a pact to hold off from immediately going balls deep and rolling out the red carpet and hero worship with the next potential chancer who turns up with the keys to big top tent of CAFC until they actually demonstrate actions to back up words whoever that may be.
I know that will be difficult given it's in our DNA now from the past 15 years but it may save a fair bit of heartache and dignity down the road.
Can we all perhaps make a pact to hold off from immediately going balls deep and rolling out the red carpet and hero worship with the next potential chancer who turns up with the keys to big top tent of CAFC until they actually demonstrate actions to back up words whoever that may be.
I know that will be difficult given it's in our DNA now from the past 15 years but it may save a fair bit of heartache and dignity down the road.
Indeed, RGT.
Don't want any of that white charger poo on our best red carpet.....
To increase turnover, the owner needs to address what's causing low attendances. Aside from the obvious issue over ticket pricing, the main reason is fans are fed up of seeing us under performing in L1.
The squad needs strengthening first, but whoever the owner is won't find that easy because of the player wage constraint imposed on Clubs in L1 being 60% of turnover, so it won't be a quick fix and expectation levels should be matched according to ranking in those terms. As our turnover has dropped, so has the budget and it follows that new signings have to be lower earners who aren't as good. Perhaps we're seeing that already! The team becomes less competitive, fewer fans will come, turnover will shrink further and so does the budget, the cycle repeating itself.
L1 mediocrity is unacceptable, but the owner, regardless of who it is, can't just spend more on player wages than the EFL allows without risking having a transfer embargo imposed, although it's arguable that we could get better players in for the same money and we're definitely underachieving compared to some of those Clubs with smaller budgets than ours.
For next season though, having the better supported teams in L1 now promoted and the less well supported ones in the Championship relegated should improve our chances. As ever, all fans can do to influence it is to get behind the team and attend in numbers because only by boosting turnover does that constraint get eased to increase the budget.
Reading the link that Carly Burn posted I think TS has very serious problems back home. His company is tanking and his personal finances look to be about to crash. No wonder he's slashing costs at our club like a madman. The writing is definitely on the wall now. Just have to wait and see. One thing is for sure - this situation can't continue. His source of income has dried up.It would appear that we didn't buy a striker because he does not have the money .
I think the question we need to know the answer to is he trying/wanting to sell? If he is, there isn't much we can do. If he isn't then we can try to push him. But I suspect he is. He must know the project isn't working and is very unlikely to work. He probably wants some money back but sadly I can't see that happening and every day he owns the club costs him more even with the savings.
Joachim Sandgaard and Leo Rifkind are only echoing the Thoughts of TS.
TS made the huge mistake if thinking we have a hard core set of support akin to Sunderland or Sheffield Wednesday. By hardcore, I mean the numbers turning up regardless of what kind of shyte is served up. We are nowhere near their loyal levels.
I’m not sure any club in the South has that level of commitment from their fans.
I would point out West Ham. Even Portsmouth. We have never had a core support of more than 6000. Even in the prem days I felt most where there because it was a cheap prem game not because it was Charlton playing.
Joachim Sandgaard and Leo Rifkind are only echoing the Thoughts of TS.
TS made the huge mistake if thinking we have a hard core set of support akin to Sunderland or Sheffield Wednesday. By hardcore, I mean the numbers turning up regardless of what kind of shyte is served up. We are nowhere near their loyal levels.
I’m not sure any club in the South has that level of commitment from their fans.
I would point out West Ham. Even Portsmouth. We have never had a core support of more than 6000. Even in the prem days I felt most where there because it was a cheap prem game not because it was Charlton playing.
Not true. For a start we had about 17,000 season-ticket holders in the Championship in 2007/08. I think it's stretching logic to suggest that 11,000 were only there in the hope of cheap/free PL football the following season. We've not had regular attendances of fewer than 6,000 at The Valley since the 1980s and not everyone who can be called a core supporter goes to every game.
I wouldn't suggest that Charlton's "core support" (whatever that actually means) is on a par with Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday or Portsmouth - you can see that in retail and commercial income. We got very good at converting supporters into season-ticket holders - over 10,000 in 2012/13 and similar in 2019/20 for example. We had 8,000 home fans in the ground against Oxford.
I think people are getting bit overexcited by numbers, even if they are authentic, which I don't know. If someone knocks on my door asking to buy my house, I'm going to quote them a premium price. It doesn't mean I won't sell it cheaper, especially if I know I can't pay next month's mortgage.
I think people are getting bit overexcited by numbers, even if they are authentic, which I don't know. If someone knocks on my door asking to buy my house, I'm going to quote them a premium price. It doesn't mean I won't sell it cheaper, especially if I know I can't pay next month's mortgage.
One silver lining, IMO if the fans mobilised and forced the issue with TS like we tried with Roland. I’m sure he’d cave.
Was it worth it with the benefit of hindsight? He would have gone anyway IMO because his great idea came to nought.
The problem with TS and Roland is they are the types that won't admit their great ideas were wrong, it will always be somebody elses fault.
Roland's plan was flawed in part because the rules governing football financing changed I think and there was a vote here, something to do with the EU I think in 2016, which meant his crap network players in future wouldn't get work permits.
Can we all perhaps make a pact to hold off from immediately going balls deep and rolling out the red carpet and hero worship with the next potential chancer who turns up with the keys to big top tent of CAFC until they actually demonstrate actions to back up words whoever that may be.
I know that will be difficult given it's in our DNA now from the past 15 years but it may save a fair bit of heartache and dignity down the road.
By the same token Rodders, if the next owner is another obvious crook I hope we waste no time in crowdfunding an assassin.
(NB This is a joke btw, just in case some imbecile is thinking of reporting me to the police)
I think people are getting bit overexcited by numbers, even if they are authentic, which I don't know. If someone knocks on my door asking to buy my house, I'm going to quote them a premium price. It doesn't mean I won't sell it cheaper, especially if I know I can't pay next month's mortgage.
Do you think there’s truth to the rumours that he can’t pay the bills, rather than has just had enough and doesn’t want to pay out anymore?
Both scenarios are awful for us, I’m honestly not sure which is worse though .
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Finishing lower midtable in league one every season for the next 5 + years. Somethings gotta change one way or another. By that I don't mean get relegated!
Can we also stop suggesting our own fans dont have the required continuous loyalty for whatever is thrown our way. That attitude doesn't help and its just another way of giving up. It's shooting ourselves in the foot.
From high Hope's to what we have now in 2 years. I think it safe to say that "project premiership in 5 years" has failed.
The ownership is now at a stage where they are having to try to use smoke & mirrors in order to control the messages. Now we have "fake news" being used to explain a couple of negative twitter posts.
It is obvious TS has had enough and he is looking to try to stem the losses. Eventually he will bail out. Unfortunately for us I think it far more likely that if he does want £25m for us the terms will be £25m with a deposit of £1 to someone of Bassinis ilk.
Such a shame after the recent hope
Apologies in order to @Maccn05 from me that is for sure.
You were right early on and I apologise.
I know that will be difficult given it's in our DNA now from the past 15 years but it may save a fair bit of heartache and dignity down the road.
Don't want any of that white charger poo on our best red carpet.....
The squad needs strengthening first, but whoever the owner is won't find that easy because of the player wage constraint imposed on Clubs in L1 being 60% of turnover, so it won't be a quick fix and expectation levels should be matched according to ranking in those terms. As our turnover has dropped, so has the budget and it follows that new signings have to be lower earners who aren't as good. Perhaps we're seeing that already! The team becomes less competitive, fewer fans will come, turnover will shrink further and so does the budget, the cycle repeating itself.
L1 mediocrity is unacceptable, but the owner, regardless of who it is, can't just spend more on player wages than the EFL allows without risking having a transfer embargo imposed, although it's arguable that we could get better players in for the same money and we're definitely underachieving compared to some of those Clubs with smaller budgets than ours.
For next season though, having the better supported teams in L1 now promoted and the less well supported ones in the Championship relegated should improve our chances. As ever, all fans can do to influence it is to get behind the team and attend in numbers because only by boosting turnover does that constraint get eased to increase the budget.
We are completely and utterly effed, aren't we?
I wouldn't suggest that Charlton's "core support" (whatever that actually means) is on a par with Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday or Portsmouth - you can see that in retail and commercial income. We got very good at converting supporters into season-ticket holders - over 10,000 in 2012/13 and similar in 2019/20 for example. We had 8,000 home fans in the ground against Oxford.
(NB This is a joke btw, just in case some imbecile is thinking of reporting me to the police)
Both scenarios are awful for us, I’m honestly not sure which is worse though .