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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Found this onlinel. A very interesting find from carly burnEugenesAxe said:
Like I said raging narcissist, wants to pretend he’s cleverer than everyone else.carly burn said:This is a good one. Fairly long but paints a picture of Sandgaard towards the endWhat is narcissistic personality disorder (NPD)?
The word narcissism gets tossed around a lot in our selfie-obsessed, celebrity-driven culture, often to describe someone who seems excessively vain or full of themselves. But in psychological terms, narcissism doesn't mean self-love—at least not of a genuine sort. It's more accurate to say that people with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are in love with an idealized, grandiose image of themselves. And they're in love with this inflated self-image precisely because it allows them to avoid deep feelings of insecurity. But propping up their delusions of grandeur takes a lot of work—and that's where the dysfunctional attitudes and behaviors come in.
Narcissistic personality disorder involves a pattern of self-centered, arrogant thinking and behavior, a lack of empathy and consideration for other people, and an excessive need for admiration. Others often describe people with NPD as cocky, manipulative, selfish, patronizing, and demanding. This way of thinking and behaving surfaces in every area of the narcissist's life: from work and friendships to family and love relationships.
People with narcissistic personality disorder are extremely resistant to changing their behavior, even when it's causing them problems. Their tendency is to turn the blame on to others. What's more, they are extremely sensitive and react badly to even the slightest criticisms, disagreements, or perceived slights, which they view as personal attacks. For the people in the narcissist's life, it's often easier just to go along with their demands to avoid the coldness and rages. However, by understanding more about narcissistic personality disorder, you can spot the narcissists in your life, protect yourself from their power plays, and establish healthier boundaries.
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#done dealAirman Brown said:
I think they have the right idea.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
But what are people looking to buy? The club from Thomas or the ground as well from Roland?Airman Brown said:
Difference between being up for sale and people looking to buy. Not sure about the first but confident about the second. And the money.Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?7 -
I'm happy he is given a chance. Not sure he will get the support he needs but he deserves some time.31
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The other day he said confidence was not a issue with in the squad but now he has changed his mindLouisMend said:0 -
I might be mistaken if Garner has said that elsewhere, but it was Scott Marshall who said confidence wasn't an issue after Col UCharltonDave85 said:
The other day he said confidence was not a issue with in the squad but now he has changed his mindLouisMend said:2 -
My mistake you are right it was Scott Marshall. I do still find it odd that two people are saying different thing,you would think they would both be on the same page as they both work with the squadLouisMend said:
I might be mistaken if Garner has said that elsewhere, but it was Scott Marshall who said confidence wasn't an issue after Col UCharltonDave85 said:
The other day he said confidence was not a issue with in the squad but now he has changed his mindLouisMend said:3 -
I don't expect to get too much accurate information from the manager and don't hold that against him.1
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Just the first signs that a new takeover thread might be required.That’ll liven up this dreary season. 👍4
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There isn't, to my knowledge, an imminent takeover or purchase of The Valley. I think the former will happen in the short to medium term and I'm aware that there are efforts to make it happen. I don't know where RD is on The Valley. I'm sharing this to offer a little bit of positivity amid the gloom. It wouldn't be appropriate to go any further, but it's not come through PV or about him.valleynick66 said:
Are you able to share what you do know rather than being cryptic or are you bound by some sort of confidence?Airman Brown said:
I think they have the right idea.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
But what are people looking to buy? The club from Thomas or the ground as well from Roland?Airman Brown said:
Difference between being up for sale and people looking to buy. Not sure about the first but confident about the second. And the money.Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?84 -
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Thanks. We certainly need it.Airman Brown said:
There isn't, to my knowledge, an imminent takeover or purchase of The Valley. I think the former will happen in the short to medium term and I'm aware that there are efforts to make it happen. I don't know where RD is on The Valley. I'm sharing this to offer a little bit of positivity amid the gloom. It wouldn't be appropriate to go any further, but it's not come through PV or about him.valleynick66 said:
Are you able to share what you do know rather than being cryptic or are you bound by some sort of confidence?Airman Brown said:
I think they have the right idea.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
But what are people looking to buy? The club from Thomas or the ground as well from Roland?Airman Brown said:
Difference between being up for sale and people looking to buy. Not sure about the first but confident about the second. And the money.Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?10 -
Much appreciated Airman. Gives me hope.Airman Brown said:
There isn't, to my knowledge, an imminent takeover or purchase of The Valley. I think the former will happen in the short to medium term and I'm aware that there are efforts to make it happen. I don't know where RD is on The Valley. I'm sharing this to offer a little bit of positivity amid the gloom. It wouldn't be appropriate to go any further, but it's not come through PV or about him.valleynick66 said:
Are you able to share what you do know rather than being cryptic or are you bound by some sort of confidence?Airman Brown said:
I think they have the right idea.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
But what are people looking to buy? The club from Thomas or the ground as well from Roland?Airman Brown said:
Difference between being up for sale and people looking to buy. Not sure about the first but confident about the second. And the money.Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?0 -
Indeed, narcissist does get tossed around a lot but I really mean it in its truest form and Thomas the tonk engine sounds like a textbook one, of course he passes it off as being a big time successful American businessman who takes no crap, but really he just has problems.MuttleyCAFC said:
Found this online - Seems to fit pretty well. A very interesting find from carly burnEugenesAxe said:
Like I said raging narcissist, wants to pretend he’s cleverer than everyone else.carly burn said:This is a good one. Fairly long but paints a picture of Sandgaard towards the endWhat is narcissistic personality disorder (NPD)?
The word narcissism gets tossed around a lot in our selfie-obsessed, celebrity-driven culture, often to describe someone who seems excessively vain or full of themselves. But in psychological terms, narcissism doesn't mean self-love—at least not of a genuine sort. It's more accurate to say that people with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are in love with an idealized, grandiose image of themselves. And they're in love with this inflated self-image precisely because it allows them to avoid deep feelings of insecurity. But propping up their delusions of grandeur takes a lot of work—and that's where the dysfunctional attitudes and behaviors come in.
Narcissistic personality disorder involves a pattern of self-centered, arrogant thinking and behavior, a lack of empathy and consideration for other people, and an excessive need for admiration. Others often describe people with NPD as cocky, manipulative, selfish, patronizing, and demanding. This way of thinking and behaving surfaces in every area of the narcissist's life: from work and friendships to family and love relationships.
People with narcissistic personality disorder are extremely resistant to changing their behavior, even when it's causing them problems. Their tendency is to turn the blame on to others. What's more, they are extremely sensitive and react badly to even the slightest criticisms, disagreements, or perceived slights, which they view as personal attacks. For the people in the narcissist's life, it's often easier just to go along with their demands to avoid the coldness and rages. However, by understanding more about narcissistic personality disorder, you can spot the narcissists in your life, protect yourself from their power plays, and establish healthier boundaries.
Lots of people who like to portray themselves as ‘no-holds barred’ or ‘uncompromising’ have it, and often it’s easier to try and go along with them than challenge it which they take as it being the key to success.0 -
Not sure how a takeover that does not involve buying the ground would help much in the medium to long term. Any new owner of the club could have no confidence that if they invested in the players (club) and success came that RD would not try to skin them on the rent. They would then only have the choice of selling the club on or paying up. Not a great position to be in. Not sure how many people would gamble a lot of money on that basis.Airman Brown said:
There isn't, to my knowledge, an imminent takeover or purchase of The Valley. I think the former will happen in the short to medium term and I'm aware that there are efforts to make it happen. I don't know where RD is on The Valley. I'm sharing this to offer a little bit of positivity amid the gloom. It wouldn't be appropriate to go any further, but it's not come through PV or about him.valleynick66 said:
Are you able to share what you do know rather than being cryptic or are you bound by some sort of confidence?Airman Brown said:
I think they have the right idea.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
But what are people looking to buy? The club from Thomas or the ground as well from Roland?Airman Brown said:
Difference between being up for sale and people looking to buy. Not sure about the first but confident about the second. And the money.Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?
Lots of good businesses suffer from this with landlords.0 -
Surely a new owner would inherit Sandgaard’s long term lease or negotiate their own with Roland?Southbank said:
Not sure how a takeover that does not involve buying the ground would help much in the medium to long term. Any new owner of the club could have no confidence that if they invested in the players (club) and success came that RD would not try to skin them on the rent. They would then only have the choice of selling the club on or paying up. Not a great position to be in. Not sure how many people would gamble a lot of money on that basis.Airman Brown said:
There isn't, to my knowledge, an imminent takeover or purchase of The Valley. I think the former will happen in the short to medium term and I'm aware that there are efforts to make it happen. I don't know where RD is on The Valley. I'm sharing this to offer a little bit of positivity amid the gloom. It wouldn't be appropriate to go any further, but it's not come through PV or about him.valleynick66 said:
Are you able to share what you do know rather than being cryptic or are you bound by some sort of confidence?Airman Brown said:
I think they have the right idea.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
But what are people looking to buy? The club from Thomas or the ground as well from Roland?Airman Brown said:
Difference between being up for sale and people looking to buy. Not sure about the first but confident about the second. And the money.Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?
Lots of good businesses suffer from this with landlords.1 -
TBH maybe his son shouldn't say it. But I reckon it's true. The uplift in numbers will be marginal. Happy to be proved wrong.Charlton_Road_James said:
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Like him and his father you’re missing the point, it’s not about more people coming it’s about not ripping off the ones that do, look at it this way: if we were selling out every week would it be fair to put the prices up?lonman said:
TBH maybe his son shouldn't say it. But I reckon it's true. The uplift in numbers will be marginal. Happy to be proved wrong.Charlton_Road_James said:7 -
Oh no….Scoham said:Airman Brown said:
I think they have the right idea.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
But what are people looking to buy? The club from Thomas or the ground as well from Roland?Airman Brown said:
Difference between being up for sale and people looking to buy. Not sure about the first but confident about the second. And the money.Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?
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Is TS open to selling though? Has this season become the final straw you think?Airman Brown said:
There isn't, to my knowledge, an imminent takeover or purchase of The Valley. I think the former will happen in the short to medium term and I'm aware that there are efforts to make it happen. I don't know where RD is on The Valley. I'm sharing this to offer a little bit of positivity amid the gloom. It wouldn't be appropriate to go any further, but it's not come through PV or about him.valleynick66 said:
Are you able to share what you do know rather than being cryptic or are you bound by some sort of confidence?Airman Brown said:
I think they have the right idea.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
But what are people looking to buy? The club from Thomas or the ground as well from Roland?Airman Brown said:
Difference between being up for sale and people looking to buy. Not sure about the first but confident about the second. And the money.Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?1 -
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Well, if he's not, then I'd suggest he's the biggest masochist the world has ever known.Fanny Fanackapan said:CAFCTrev said:
Is TS open to selling though? Has this season become the final straw you thin.Airman Brown said:
There isn't, to my knowledge, an imminent takeover or purchase of The Valley. I think the former will happen in the short to medium term and I'm aware that there are efforts to make it happen. I don't know where RD is on The Valley. I'm sharing this to offer a little bit of positivity amid the gloom. It wouldn't be appropriate to go any further, but it's not come through PV or about him.valleynick66 said:
Are you able to share what you do know rather than being cryptic or are you bound by some sort of confidence?Airman Brown said:
I think they have the right idea.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
But what are people looking to buy? The club from Thomas or the ground as well from Roland?Airman Brown said:
Difference between being up for sale and people looking to buy. Not sure about the first but confident about the second. And the money.Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?1 -
Following @Airman Brown post do we need a new takeover thread?0
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J BLOCK said:
Much appreciated Airman. Gives me hope.Airman Brown said:
There isn't, to my knowledge, an imminent takeover or purchase of The Valley. I think the former will happen in the short to medium term and I'm aware that there are efforts to make it happen. I don't know where RD is on The Valley. I'm sharing this to offer a little bit of positivity amid the gloom. It wouldn't be appropriate to go any further, but it's not come through PV or about him.valleynick66 said:
Are you able to share what you do know rather than being cryptic or are you bound by some sort of confidence?Airman Brown said:
I think they have the right idea.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
But what are people looking to buy? The club from Thomas or the ground as well from Roland?Airman Brown said:
Difference between being up for sale and people looking to buy. Not sure about the first but confident about the second. And the money.Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?
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Do you know the asking price then for the club and SL?Cafc43v3r said:Roland is much less of a problem than he was two years ago.
Thomas will sell.
The "total package" will cost less than the aussies agreed, especially if your not paying in £s.
Mistic Meg time but I suspect our next owner will be greated with much more hostility/scepticism than the last half a dozen but after about 18 months we will be much happier.
The next two owners are critical
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Don't think so. We have a maginfent sleeping-giant takeover thread just waiting for the call.LargeAddick said:Following @Airman Brown post do we need a new takeover thread?2 -
swordfish said:My final contribution for today. I promise
I imagine that if TS sells, he'll have to pay RD an early termination fee on his lease agreement as RD will have to negotiate with another party to take it on.
Alternatively, RD might then decide to sell outright, but I doubt he's ready to do that yet. He'll want to have more regular income streams and bide his time waiting for property prices to go up markedly, narrowing the gap between what he shelled out and what he ultimately gets back.
Also, we don't know what RD's personal tax arrangements are and what his preference is for receiving income over capital gains from asset sales, which might impact his decision making. Therefore, for someone to make him an offer he simply can't refuse might be necessary to convince him to sell.
The lease is not with TS, it is with Charlton. They are seperate legal entities. If TS sells the limited company (which has the golden share of league football so is all he has to sell) then RD will not need to get involved.
That said, any decent new owner would hopefully buy the property assets at the same time from RD anyway.
We can but hope and Airman's comments give me some hope!
A good owner with club and assets and an U18 team which just thrashed Liverpool. The apathy would disappear immediately!1 -
I agree it will make very little difference but then the reduction in price is quite underwhelming and by the time they have agreed the reduction the season is all but done and malaise has set in.. too little, too late... And utterly unprofessional for a family member to get on Twitter and post this sort of nonsense I'm reply to an unpaid fan advisor tweet.lonman said:
TBH maybe his son shouldn't say it. But I reckon it's true. The uplift in numbers will be marginal. Happy to be proved wrong.Charlton_Road_James said:2 -
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Well he’s saying less than £35m inc freeholds. Can’t see that happening, but hope I’m wrong.Sambcafc said:
Do you know the asking price then for the club and SL?Cafc43v3r said:Roland is much less of a problem than he was two years ago.
Thomas will sell.
The "total package" will cost less than the aussies agreed, especially if your not paying in £s.
Mistic Meg time but I suspect our next owner will be greated with much more hostility/scepticism than the last half a dozen but after about 18 months we will be much happier.
The next two owners are critical0 -
Dazzler21 said:
Fuck thought I'd hidden my profile well.Fumbluff said:
#grindrCovered End said:
You've chatted with TS face to face a few times?Dazzler21 said:
I have chatted to him a few times and can validate this. He felt so genuine each time. I'm so frustrated by how well he lies.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Have been told months ago that TS will look you straight in the eyes, and without blinking, tell you blatant lies...allegedly.ForeverAddickted said:
He'd definitely be an out & out winner on " Call my bluff" !
Apologies in order to @Maccn05 from me that is for sure.
You were right early on and I apologise.
I have spoken once face to face and several times over messages.ricky_otto said:
Tonight’s it’s do or die…….Fumbluff said:
#grindrCovered End said:
You've chatted with TS face to face a few times?Dazzler21 said:
I have chatted to him a few times and can validate this. He felt so genuine each time. I'm so frustrated by how well he lies.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Have been told months ago that TS will look you straight in the eyes, and without blinking, tell you blatant lies...allegedly.ForeverAddickted said:
He'd definitely be an out & out winner on " Call my bluff" !
Apologies in order to @Maccn05 from me that is for sure.
You were right early on and I apologise.
”60 something danish american looking for no strings relationship.” “I say no strings, but if you want a good strum, I’m your man”.Fumbluff said:“Jogging down the rim”
(clean sheet win, clean sheet win)
Thanks guys, that's a bunch of mental images I don't need just before bed...ricky_otto said:“ On a mission, gonna tear you up”
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