I would take Mike Ashley for Charlton but he certainly isn't a hero and his reputation is rather sour. The bad vibes come from people who worked close to him.
If he owned Charlton I really don't think we would be flying towards the championship. It would just be a slightly better situation than what we've got now.
can't believe we are embarking on another takeover saga - reading this thread, the deja vu's are popping up left right and centre - wake me up when this one is done - in fact, wake me up when this one is done and its all going well
I would take Mike Ashley for Charlton but he certainly isn't a hero and his reputation is rather sour. The bad vibes come from people who worked close to him.
If he owned Charlton I really don't think we would be flying towards the championship. It would just be a slightly better situation than what we've got now.
We would be more organised and normal
I'm not so sure - I think given his whole business model around clubs is get them noticed and use that for advertising revenue etc, losing money in L1 wouldn't fit that.
If he took us over (and I've not a clue whether he's any interest at all), I think he'd put in the funds to try and get at least into the Championship ASAP.
The two times he backed Newcastle well compared to teams around them were the two times they went down, to get them back up as soon as possible.
If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.
I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time
Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?
There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......
Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.
I can't agree with that.
His net spend on transfers was something like £3m a year while others spent millions, and while they were getting a load in TV money etc, plus he used them for however much free advertising.
He was like a Glazers-lite type in that respect.
He appointed the likes of Kinnear, McClaren, Pardew (recently sacked by L1 Southampton) etc. They got relegated twice under his ownership.
There are worse owners, but there are far better too.
Relegated twice, but bounced back immediately with investment. Why should the net spend be high when he was clearly re-investing player sales? That's a sensible way to run a football club.
They didn't like finishing midtable and that's the problem.
Didn't Ashley have connections to the spivs who owned us before RD?
He did. Jimenez worked at Newcastle, although according to Keegan he was a joke. Nothing I saw of him at Charlton suggested otherwise to me. But that relationship was effectively severed by a court case, which Ashley won.
I'm not keen on Ashley. I've no knowledge of him being interested either. But I don't think we can expect or demand the perfect owner.
Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?
There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......
Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.
I can't agree with that.
His net spend on transfers was something like £3m a year while others spent millions, and while they were getting a load in TV money etc, plus he used them for however much free advertising.
He was like a Glazers-lite type in that respect.
He appointed the likes of Kinnear, McClaren, Pardew (recently sacked by L1 Southampton) etc. They got relegated twice under his ownership.
There are worse owners, but there are far better too.
Relegated twice, but bounced back immediately with investment. Why should the net spend be high when he was clearly re-investing player sales? That's a sensible way to run a football club.
They didn't like finishing midtable and that's the problem.
Who does?
I don't agree with the myth over Charlton fans thinking Curbishley had taken us as far as he could etc, but at the time there were still frustrations (nothing compares to now obviously!) at missing out on certain players, not pushing on when 7th etc in March, going from 9th one season to 14th the next, 7th to 11th & 13th etc. And we weren't a club with 55k a week in the ground and a whole city supporting them.
I don't blame Newcastle fans for wanting an owner who didn't take out of the club and got them relegated twice, they are a bigger club than that.
If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.
I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time
Why? The lease is good for twelve or so years yet. What's the rush. Why not spend that money on the team, ONLY the team. That's the most important thing to do to get us moving in the right direction isn't it. The aim should be to get us to the Premier league and then pay RD what he wants.
If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.
I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time
Why? The lease is good for twelve or so years yet. What's the rush. Why not spend that money on the team, ONLY the team. That's the most important thing to do to get us moving in the right direction isn't it. The aim should be to get us to the Premier league and then pay RD what he wants.
They don't get to play at The Valley and train at Sparrows Lane for free.
yeah, I'd hate to be a Newcastle fan, mostly pissing about mid table in the Premier League, gates around 50k, much more fun flirting with relegation to League Two in front of gates of less than 10k.
Didn't Ashley take Newcastle over in 2007, the year we got relegated from the top table? I know whose footballing times I'd have taken since then between the two clubs...
If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.
I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time
Why? The lease is good for twelve or so years yet. What's the rush. Why not spend that money on the team, ONLY the team. That's the most important thing to do to get us moving in the right direction isn't it. The aim should be to get us to the Premier league and then pay RD what he wants.
You run the risk of ending up in exactly the same position as TS is now. At least if they purchase the valley and sparrow lane, if it goes wrong for them or they want to get out at some point, they have something of financial value they can sell.
As much as I was grateful for TS’ investment, I think the fact he doesn’t own the ground and SL has perhaps made him quicker to throw in the towel
Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
They’re also generally total idiots, they did very well under Ashley.
They did ok, not sure they did "very well". They were relegated twice although came straight back up as champions both times. A club like Newcastle rightly want to be in the top 10 and he didn't really manage that, but I'd certainly argue that he wasn't a terrible owner, just not a great one.
I would have Ashley all day, all his business he buys when they’re at the bottom and sells them for a huge profit, which to him is the Premier League. Ok he didn't spend a lot when they were in the premier league, but when they got relegated, which I think is twice, he certainly but his hands in his pocket to make sure they go straight back up…… Who wouldn’t want that now?
If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.
I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time
Why? The lease is good for twelve or so years yet. What's the rush. Why not spend that money on the team, ONLY the team. That's the most important thing to do to get us moving in the right direction isn't it. The aim should be to get us to the Premier league and then pay RD what he wants.
They don't get to play at The Valley and train at Sparrows Lane for free.
I'm not saying don't pay the bills, but focus on improving the squad as the number one priority.
If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.
I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time
Why? The lease is good for twelve or so years yet. What's the rush. Why not spend that money on the team, ONLY the team. That's the most important thing to do to get us moving in the right direction isn't it. The aim should be to get us to the Premier league and then pay RD what he wants.
You run the risk of ending up in exactly the same position as TS is now. At least if they purchase the valley and sparrow lane, if it goes wrong for them or they want to get out at some point, they have something of financial value they can sell.
As much as I was grateful for TS’ investment, I think the fact he doesn’t own the ground and SL has perhaps made him quicker to throw in the towel
His intentions were laudable, his execution laughable. Get in someone with a bit of nous to prioritse getting us out of this god awful league at the top end and the fans will buy into it.
We need someone who can sustain the level of losses for a period of time. Wednesday have such a benefactor, so no reason to believe others aren't out there.
This was as of 2019: And apparently wages on turnover was around 52%.
Meanwhile the advertising was nearly all Sport Direct, everywhere around the club, so that turnover was a lot lower than it could have been.
Mike Ashley took money put.of Newcastle, rather than investing.
Again, I don't blame Newcastle fans for wanting someone who'd put money in instead.
That looks like a very sensible way to run a football club. They were in the prem for 90% of that, the guy knows what he is doing
Depends what he'd do in League 1. We're going mad at Sandgaard for thinking he can go anywhere close to break even. If Ashley came in and spent money with the idea of getting a lot more "sensible" in the Prem it could work, but if he comes in being tight from the get-go I'm not sure it's much different.
This was as of 2019: And apparently wages on turnover was around 52%.
Meanwhile the advertising was nearly all Sport Direct, everywhere around the club, so that turnover was a lot lower than it could have been.
Mike Ashley took money put.of Newcastle, rather than investing.
Again, I don't blame Newcastle fans for wanting someone who'd put money in instead.
That looks like a very sensible way to run a football club. They were in the prem for 90% of that, the guy knows what he is doing
It's a very sensible way to make money, not sure it was that great for the club. They'd been in the top flight for 14 years before he took over, and played in Europe for 11 of those years.
Then they were relegated twice in the next decade - he didn't stablise a yoyo team or anything and suddenly turn them into PL regulars.
There's definitely worse owners, rather Ashley than an ESI type, for example, and sadly there are a lot of bad ones out there. I also think if Mike Ashley took over a League One club he would put money in to get promoted out of League One quickly (and if he took over a Championship club he'd look to back them to the PL quickly).
But I just think it's daft pretending he was brilliant for Newcastle and their fans just had delusions of grandeur, when mainly his tenure there was good for Mike Ashley.
This was as of 2019: And apparently wages on turnover was around 52%.
Meanwhile the advertising was nearly all Sport Direct, everywhere around the club, so that turnover was a lot lower than it could have been.
Mike Ashley took money put.of Newcastle, rather than investing.
Again, I don't blame Newcastle fans for wanting someone who'd put money in instead.
That looks like a very sensible way to run a football club. They were in the prem for 90% of that, the guy knows what he is doing
Depends what he'd do in League 1. We're going mad at Sandgaard for thinking he can go anywhere close to break even. If Ashley came in and spent money with the idea of getting a lot more "sensible" in the Prem it could work, but if he comes in being tight from the get-go I'm not sure it's much different.
Its a moot point as i really dont think Ashley would be interested, but why would Mike Ashley do that? His approach to business is buying distressed assets and making them viable to sell at a profit. We aren't interesting for anyone that would be worthwhile for him to sell to unless we made the prem
Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?
There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......
Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
But in Sandgaards case the ship is sinking because he himself holed it below the waterline. At least Ashley knows where the buckets are to put out any fire & knows the cost to fill them.
I had a call from the club today (and a subsequent email) from someone called Christos Apostolopoulos, "Commercial Sales Executive", a contact for season ticket holders. And trying to promote packages as my birthday is later on this month, for which I politely declined - just watching us play MK Dons on the 25th will be bad enough!
I had a call from the club today (and a subsequent email) from someone called Christos Apostolopoulos, "Commercial Sales Executive", a contact for season ticket holders. And trying to promote packages as my birthday is later on this month, for which I politely declined - just watching us play MK Dons on the 25th will be bad enough!
Is this someone new?
He phoned me as well same thing tried to flog me a birthday package. He also asked if there was anything he could do, I said get a new striker, he laughed but said he would pass it on lol.
yeah, I'd hate to be a Newcastle fan, mostly pissing about mid table in the Premier League, gates around 50k, much more fun flirting with relegation to League Two in front of gates of less than 10k.
It's levels though isn't it. They get 50k+ every home game and as a club who were predominantly in the PL for most of Ashley's tenure i don't think it's much for them to have expected a bigger transfer outlay. The guy was spending less than 1m a season net spend on transfers for a club who are one of the biggest in the country. Lo and behold, new owners come in, spend a bit of money and they're top 6.
It's like when people laugh at Man U fans and Arsenal (in recent years) moaning about how shit they are when they're slumming it all the way down in 7th place in the Premier league. But those clubs are 2 of the biggest in the world so of course the fans expect better. But obviously compared to clubs like us, Derby, Oldham, Rochdale or of course Bury, they've not had it anywhere near as bad.
But ultimately fans want better for their team so it's not really any different to us expecting better than the bottom half of league 2.
This was as of 2019: And apparently wages on turnover was around 52%.
Meanwhile the advertising was nearly all Sport Direct, everywhere around the club, so that turnover was a lot lower than it could have been.
Mike Ashley took money put.of Newcastle, rather than investing.
Again, I don't blame Newcastle fans for wanting someone who'd put money in instead.
That looks like a very sensible way to run a football club. They were in the prem for 90% of that, the guy knows what he is doing
Depends what he'd do in League 1. We're going mad at Sandgaard for thinking he can go anywhere close to break even. If Ashley came in and spent money with the idea of getting a lot more "sensible" in the Prem it could work, but if he comes in being tight from the get-go I'm not sure it's much different.
Its a moot point as i really dont think Ashley would be interested, but why would Mike Ashley do that? His approach to business is buying distressed assets and making them viable to sell at a profit. We aren't interesting for anyone that would be worthwhile for him to sell to unless we made the prem
No, very fair point. Although as we know football is a different ball game. It's going to cost someone like Ashley a significant sum of money to take over Charlton and get them to the Prem. My point is that whilst what he did at Newcastle was indeed quite a sensible way to run things and it's not like he was a total failure, the scenario with a League 1 Charlton would require a completely different approach. Which is why you're probably right, Ashley wouldn't be interested.
There is now a takeover thread on ITTV could be worth monitoring as Reams does seem to have connections within and outside of Charlton in the football world;) Plus there is the Bexley dude who knows the tea lady, Kit man and any legal firm employees that might be representing any interested party!
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If he owned Charlton I really don't think we would be flying towards the championship. It would just be a slightly better situation than what we've got now.
We would be more organised and normal
If he took us over (and I've not a clue whether he's any interest at all), I think he'd put in the funds to try and get at least into the Championship ASAP.
The two times he backed Newcastle well compared to teams around them were the two times they went down, to get them back up as soon as possible.
They didn't like finishing midtable and that's the problem.
I'm not keen on Ashley. I've no knowledge of him being interested either. But I don't think we can expect or demand the perfect owner.
I don't agree with the myth over Charlton fans thinking Curbishley had taken us as far as he could etc, but at the time there were still frustrations (nothing compares to now obviously!) at missing out on certain players, not pushing on when 7th etc in March, going from 9th one season to 14th the next, 7th to 11th & 13th etc. And we weren't a club with 55k a week in the ground and a whole city supporting them.
I don't blame Newcastle fans for wanting an owner who didn't take out of the club and got them relegated twice, they are a bigger club than that.
And apparently wages on turnover was around 52%.
Meanwhile the advertising was nearly all Sport Direct, everywhere around the club, so that turnover was a lot lower than it could have been.
Mike Ashley took money put.of Newcastle, rather than investing.
Again, I don't blame Newcastle fans for wanting someone who'd put money in instead.
As much as I was grateful for TS’ investment, I think the fact he doesn’t own the ground and SL has perhaps made him quicker to throw in the towel
We need someone who can sustain the level of losses for a period of time. Wednesday have such a benefactor, so no reason to believe others aren't out there.
Because AFC Wimbledon currently sit bottom of the fair play league for the on the pitch stuff.
Then they were relegated twice in the next decade - he didn't stablise a yoyo team or anything and suddenly turn them into PL regulars.
There's definitely worse owners, rather Ashley than an ESI type, for example, and sadly there are a lot of bad ones out there. I also think if Mike Ashley took over a League One club he would put money in to get promoted out of League One quickly (and if he took over a Championship club he'd look to back them to the PL quickly).
But I just think it's daft pretending he was brilliant for Newcastle and their fans just had delusions of grandeur, when mainly his tenure there was good for Mike Ashley.
Is this someone new?
It's like when people laugh at Man U fans and Arsenal (in recent years) moaning about how shit they are when they're slumming it all the way down in 7th place in the Premier league. But those clubs are 2 of the biggest in the world so of course the fans expect better. But obviously compared to clubs like us, Derby, Oldham, Rochdale or of course Bury, they've not had it anywhere near as bad.
But ultimately fans want better for their team so it's not really any different to us expecting better than the bottom half of league 2.