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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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That's incredible from Brentford, reaching the PL whilst making an 81m profit.
Abysmal from your lot at Stoke though Bob.2 -
Was Ashley good at negotiations for players who were leaving Newcastle? I remember when Liverpool signed Andy Carroll for 35million and there was outrage.
He might warm to charltons academy prospects...and wouldn't sell them off straight away, or at least wait for an actual decent offer1 -
You look at those numbers and wonder how clubs like ourselves, Wigan & Birmingham got themselves into so much trouble. And then you remember who we all had as owners over those ten years.2
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:That's incredible from Brentford, reaching the PL whilst making an 81m profit.
Abysmal from your lot at Stoke though Bob.Yes it is, although some fans still think the Coates family don't do enough!It's down to blind faith in managers and also fire sale cost cutting on relegation to ensure FFP is/was met.2 -
Brilliant!carly burn said:
If he gives Chuks a zero hours contract I'll be happy.Callumcafc said:Who’s ready to support the team at the SportsDirect.com Valley?
Charlton life gallows humour at its very best.0 -
Ashley is bad news. I have some Newcastle supporting friends and he is loathed for good reason. The way he ran the club was awful. The way he treats his workers is awful. He's just generally a clueless man. Just because he has money doesn't make him smart.ButtleJR said:Ashley is interested, floating around the club at the moment.
Once again, it could get better than TS, but it could get a lot worse. And how well someone runs a football club isn't just down to their bank balance.5 -
This is the story in the Mail linking Ashley to Wasps. Owning the stadium is a major attraction
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If Ashley treats his football employees like he treated his sports direct employees then we’re in even more trouble.3
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I think there could be an argument to suggest it is. Newcastle fans will turn on their mega-rich owners if they don't win anything in the next 3-5 years. That's what their fanbase is like.SDAddick said:
Ashley is bad news. I have some Newcastle supporting friends and he is loathed for good reason. The way he ran the club was awful. The way he treats his workers is awful. He's just generally a clueless man. Just because he has money doesn't make him smart.ButtleJR said:Ashley is interested, floating around the club at the moment.
Once again, it could get better than TS, but it could get a lot worse. And how well someone runs a football club isn't just down to their bank balance.0 -
I don't really know anything about the Wasps situation but looking at that article, how can their current owner be demanding 50m + a further 12m needed for running costs for a club that is going to be wound up in 6 days time?
How much would he get if the club is wound up?3 - Sponsored links:
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Could be a sting in the tail if he isnt carefulChris_from_Sidcup said:I don't really know anything about the Wasps situation but looking at that article, how can their current owner be demanding 50m + a further 12m needed for running costs for a club that is going to be wound up in 6 days time?
How much would he get if the club is wound up?4 -
Oh I understand it, I just think it makes them over entitled twats, despising someone because they won’t spunk millions on someone’s hobby, no fan is entitled to that.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
"Kept them in the prem" - after the big 6, Newcastle are probably the next biggest club in the country. A club of their size should arguably be finishing top 10 every year, but he spent so little they were relegated twice.Stu_of_Kunming said:
So he kept them in the prem for the vast majority of his ownership and isn’t good enough for some Charlton fans?North Lower Neil said:
I can't agree with that.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
His net spend on transfers was something like £3m a year while others spent millions, and while they were getting a load in TV money etc, plus he used them for however much free advertising.
He was like a Glazers-lite type in that respect.
He appointed the likes of Kinnear, McClaren, Pardew (recently sacked by L1 Southampton) etc. They got relegated twice under his ownership.
There are worse owners, but there are far better too.Maybe it’s not Newcastle that are the deluded idiots.
Yes he got them back up, but even then you could argue a club with 50k fans, some half decent PL players and PL parachute payments should be pissing the championship anyway. Norwich do it every other year, so getting Newcastle back up is not an achievement.
I accept his ambitions (or lack of) with Newcastle would be completely different to what he'd need to do with us, but i'm simply putting a case forward of why Newcastle fans hated him, which many can't seem to understand.
Having said that though, i'd take him as our owner now simply because he'd have no choice but to invest and that is a million times better than what we're doing right now.3 -
Unlike some of you, I do care about how our owner makes their money. TS being part of the ransom racket that is healthcare is bad enough. Ashley would be a step down from that. While there are very, very few ways to become rich enough to own a football club that don't make you a parasitic bastard, can't we at least have a parasitic bastard with some sort of attachment to the area? Or whose money isn't leeched from the desperate, or whose staff aren't cruelly mistreated?10
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Why would anyone want to buy CAFC. no one knows if Ashley is interested but people are already slagging him off.
Any prospective owner looks on here, they will run for the hills
The richest person in the world could spend their entire wealth on us and it still wouldn’t be enough for some on here8 -
Isn't that where Sandgaard is heading with us though?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Oh I understand it, I just think it makes them over entitled twats, despising someone because they won’t spunk millions on someone’s hobby, no fan is entitled to that.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
"Kept them in the prem" - after the big 6, Newcastle are probably the next biggest club in the country. A club of their size should arguably be finishing top 10 every year, but he spent so little they were relegated twice.Stu_of_Kunming said:
So he kept them in the prem for the vast majority of his ownership and isn’t good enough for some Charlton fans?North Lower Neil said:
I can't agree with that.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
His net spend on transfers was something like £3m a year while others spent millions, and while they were getting a load in TV money etc, plus he used them for however much free advertising.
He was like a Glazers-lite type in that respect.
He appointed the likes of Kinnear, McClaren, Pardew (recently sacked by L1 Southampton) etc. They got relegated twice under his ownership.
There are worse owners, but there are far better too.Maybe it’s not Newcastle that are the deluded idiots.
Yes he got them back up, but even then you could argue a club with 50k fans, some half decent PL players and PL parachute payments should be pissing the championship anyway. Norwich do it every other year, so getting Newcastle back up is not an achievement.
I accept his ambitions (or lack of) with Newcastle would be completely different to what he'd need to do with us, but i'm simply putting a case forward of why Newcastle fans hated him, which many can't seem to understand.
Having said that though, i'd take him as our owner now simply because he'd have no choice but to invest and that is a million times better than what we're doing right now.
No longer investing in transfer fees, cutting costs across the entire club, wanting to break even, taking us backwards.
Are we 'over entitled twats' because we expect to be better than where we currently are?5 -
Yeah it's weird it's almost like we look at their past experience, how they made their wealth, and how they treat their employees as a way of trying to gauge how they would run Charlton.To1SCP said:Why would anyone want to buy CAFC. no one knows if Ashley is interested but people are already slagging him off.
Any prospective owner looks on here, they will run for the hills
The richest person in the world could spend their entire wealth on us and it still wouldn’t be enough for some on here3 -
I mean they're a fanbae that still idolized the Entertainers who won nothing.Addick_8 said:
I think there could be an argument to suggest it is. Newcastle fans will turn on their mega-rich owners if they don't win anything in the next 3-5 years. That's what their fanbase is like.SDAddick said:
Ashley is bad news. I have some Newcastle supporting friends and he is loathed for good reason. The way he ran the club was awful. The way he treats his workers is awful. He's just generally a clueless man. Just because he has money doesn't make him smart.ButtleJR said:Ashley is interested, floating around the club at the moment.
Once again, it could get better than TS, but it could get a lot worse. And how well someone runs a football club isn't just down to their bank balance.
Yes, you need to have a lot of money to own and run a football club, but having a lot of money does not mean you will run a football club well.0 -
Mike Ashley's wife bought a puppy off a friend of mine, they arrived by helicopter and landed on the village green much to the amusement of the locals. Will he arrive by helicopter to watch CAFC play?7
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I sort of agree with you both. It always feels a bit, ahem, rich of people baying to TS to spend more of his own money on the club. But we spend our single talent on the club too - and he's taken on the responsibility of running it, so why shouldn't we have a say? Ultimately, for us it is emotion, for him it is business, and both are looking increasingly fuckedChris_from_Sidcup said:
Isn't that where Sandgaard is heading with us though?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Oh I understand it, I just think it makes them over entitled twats, despising someone because they won’t spunk millions on someone’s hobby, no fan is entitled to that.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
"Kept them in the prem" - after the big 6, Newcastle are probably the next biggest club in the country. A club of their size should arguably be finishing top 10 every year, but he spent so little they were relegated twice.Stu_of_Kunming said:
So he kept them in the prem for the vast majority of his ownership and isn’t good enough for some Charlton fans?North Lower Neil said:
I can't agree with that.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
His net spend on transfers was something like £3m a year while others spent millions, and while they were getting a load in TV money etc, plus he used them for however much free advertising.
He was like a Glazers-lite type in that respect.
He appointed the likes of Kinnear, McClaren, Pardew (recently sacked by L1 Southampton) etc. They got relegated twice under his ownership.
There are worse owners, but there are far better too.Maybe it’s not Newcastle that are the deluded idiots.
Yes he got them back up, but even then you could argue a club with 50k fans, some half decent PL players and PL parachute payments should be pissing the championship anyway. Norwich do it every other year, so getting Newcastle back up is not an achievement.
I accept his ambitions (or lack of) with Newcastle would be completely different to what he'd need to do with us, but i'm simply putting a case forward of why Newcastle fans hated him, which many can't seem to understand.
Having said that though, i'd take him as our owner now simply because he'd have no choice but to invest and that is a million times better than what we're doing right now.
No longer investing in transfer fees, cutting costs across the entire club, wanting to break even, taking us backwards.
Are we 'over entitled twats' because we expect to be better than where we currently are?0 -
Not this again…1
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I think more would have sympathy with him if he had gone down a sensible route to start with.Leuth said:
I sort of agree with you both. It always feels a bit, ahem, rich of people baying to TS to spend more of his own money on the club. But we spend our single talent on the club too - and he's taken on the responsibility of running it, so why shouldn't we have a say? Ultimately, for us it is emotion, for him it is business, and both are looking increasingly fuckedChris_from_Sidcup said:
Isn't that where Sandgaard is heading with us though?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Oh I understand it, I just think it makes them over entitled twats, despising someone because they won’t spunk millions on someone’s hobby, no fan is entitled to that.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
"Kept them in the prem" - after the big 6, Newcastle are probably the next biggest club in the country. A club of their size should arguably be finishing top 10 every year, but he spent so little they were relegated twice.Stu_of_Kunming said:
So he kept them in the prem for the vast majority of his ownership and isn’t good enough for some Charlton fans?North Lower Neil said:
I can't agree with that.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
His net spend on transfers was something like £3m a year while others spent millions, and while they were getting a load in TV money etc, plus he used them for however much free advertising.
He was like a Glazers-lite type in that respect.
He appointed the likes of Kinnear, McClaren, Pardew (recently sacked by L1 Southampton) etc. They got relegated twice under his ownership.
There are worse owners, but there are far better too.Maybe it’s not Newcastle that are the deluded idiots.
Yes he got them back up, but even then you could argue a club with 50k fans, some half decent PL players and PL parachute payments should be pissing the championship anyway. Norwich do it every other year, so getting Newcastle back up is not an achievement.
I accept his ambitions (or lack of) with Newcastle would be completely different to what he'd need to do with us, but i'm simply putting a case forward of why Newcastle fans hated him, which many can't seem to understand.
Having said that though, i'd take him as our owner now simply because he'd have no choice but to invest and that is a million times better than what we're doing right now.
No longer investing in transfer fees, cutting costs across the entire club, wanting to break even, taking us backwards.
Are we 'over entitled twats' because we expect to be better than where we currently are?
Not appointing an experienced CEO or bringing a director on board with relevant experience has cost him dear.
The appointments of Roddy and Mumford for example were completely out of tune with the situation he found the club in and really weren't what was needed.
You could even forgive him for that but then you hear about the bobbins decision to bring in his missus and his son to start working and making important decisions that will affect the very fabric of the club.
I'm afraid he's looking more and more out of his depth as each week passes. We just have to hope he accepts this mistake and moves us on to someone who can take forward steps instead of backwards ones.
God forbid he does a Murray and spends the next 5 to 10 years trying to right the wrongs but falls at each and every hurdle.9 -
The Wasps situation is complicated and involves 5 different companies. Once / if they go into admin he could pick up the rugby club quite cheaply but I’m not sure about the company that owns the stadium. Rugby is a labour of love. Businessmen who back rugby clubs very rarely get a return on the investment so I’m really surprised that Mike Ashley is taking an interest in Wasps. Now if he was interested in Coventry City as part of the package, that would be a different kettle of fish3
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TS cutting the budget at the academy?
The SLP: 'Skintgaard has described the figure mentioned as “not accurate”.'
That's not a denial.
Promoted Anthony Hayes and didn't replace him.
Also savings on travel, physios(!) "not dictated by me(TS)" so he's a bystander on the academy budget too!
I've worked out when Skintgaard is lying: - his lips move
I ain't got the first clue what he's up to, what he thinks he's up to and what he's getting out of it. I do know I don't trust his judgement. I do know that the onfield situation has deteriorated steadily since his hands have been on the tiller.
His next decision will have to be: put up with Garner's inept bumbling in the feint hope Lady Luck bestows points on us or bite the bullet find a replacement and cough up the bumbler's compo.
I've no expectation TS wakes up to the reality of his hopelessness as the club's CEO, gets in someone competent and risks another chunk of his wealth and credibility on reversing the accelerating decline he is currently masterminding.0 -
Precisely, as we keep finding to our cost. It's not that TS hasn't spent money, but how. For his outlay so far, we should be doing better, but he's made unwise choices.SDAddick said:
I mean they're a fanbae that still idolized the Entertainers who won nothing.Addick_8 said:
I think there could be an argument to suggest it is. Newcastle fans will turn on their mega-rich owners if they don't win anything in the next 3-5 years. That's what their fanbase is like.SDAddick said:
Ashley is bad news. I have some Newcastle supporting friends and he is loathed for good reason. The way he ran the club was awful. The way he treats his workers is awful. He's just generally a clueless man. Just because he has money doesn't make him smart.ButtleJR said:Ashley is interested, floating around the club at the moment.
Once again, it could get better than TS, but it could get a lot worse. And how well someone runs a football club isn't just down to their bank balance.
Yes, you need to have a lot of money to own and run a football club, but having a lot of money does not mean you will run a football club well.
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I'd rather find out what he's like from people that know, than stick my fingers in my ears tbh. I had forgotten the facts about his ownership of Newcastle, and it was good to be reminded.To1SCP said:Why would anyone want to buy CAFC. no one knows if Ashley is interested but people are already slagging him off.
Any prospective owner looks on here, they will run for the hills
The richest person in the world could spend their entire wealth on us and it still wouldn’t be enough for some on here
I have a feeling that if anyone really is interested in buying the club it'll be people we know nothing about.0 -
Ok so what seems to be the solution to our issues is that we need to find.........redbuttle said:
Doesn't matter what they rename it. It will still be the valley to us...Callumcafc said:Who’s ready to support the team at the SportsDirect.com Valley?
A Billionaire willing to invest and lose £M's BUT !!!!!!
They cant change anything !
Deluded isnt the word for us lot !!4 -
Mike Ashley would come in to buy the club, spend money to get it into the Premier League and then sell it.
That is the ONLY way it could be sold for profit.
I'd happily accept that. Compared to what we have now.
He won't buy us and not spend money. Commercial suicide. And he doesn't do that!14 -
If I woke up tomorrow and found Ashley had bought us, I’d be happyswordfish said:
Number one priority is a competent owner, like Ashley, to get us out of L1 isn't it? Right now, I don't care about the rest, as long as we're still playing at the Valley, which is what really matters and was fought for.Chunes said:People kicked off over the badge being covered up for a day. Can't imagine the reaction if Ashley wanted to rename the stadium people fought tooth and nail to win back.
If having a branded stadium boosts turnover, then as turnover boosts the player wage budget, bring it on, but if it costs us in turnover with people turning their back on the Club, then don't bother with it. To forego any income is to harm our chances of promotion as the squad won't be as good.
Don't think RD has naming rights over the Valley btw. TS can have it sponsored.3 -
Me rather than the current shite - as long as it’s still called the valley, who caresCallumcafc said:Who’s ready to support the team at the SportsDirect.com Valley?4 -
The only way Ashely is going to get involved with us is if he can see real value in the upside. Unless he gets it really cheap I cant see him being interested.
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