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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)

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  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,030
    Scoham said:
    Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Which it will eventually, there will come a point he’d rather sell than fund further losses. It’s just a question of when.

    I absolutely agree with this , it's absolutely a when. Probably when there's no one in the squad that he can sell for seven figures to reduce the losses. Could easily see him entertaining offers by the end of the season if we aren't in the PO hunt. 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    edited October 2022
    Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.
    In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 
    I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 
  • Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.
    Maybe we should start a new Card ( not CARD) initiative & send him some good wishes for his next project to help him on his way....

    :wink:
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    Would he maybe consider joining the ex directors and offer to get some recompense should we reach the PL, and hand it over to someone with serious clout....if they exist??
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,309
    Without breaking any confidences I know for obvious reasons quite a lot of people who have been or are involved in running or overseeing the club at a senior level or have a professional insight. Absolutely none of them think TS is doing a good job or have confidence in him going forward.
    I don't think he even believes it's possible, the numbers aren't close to adding up. It's just bare faced lies at this stage. 
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,866
    An important consideration is...do the players and coaching staff like Sandgaard?

    He will be sniffing around every now and again and making alterations/having some kind of input. 

    Do they find him annoying?

    Or, do they not really have an opinion one way or the other? 
  • Dave2l said:
    An important consideration is...do the players and coaching staff like Sandgaard?

    He will be sniffing around every now and again and making alterations/having some kind of input. 

    Do they find him annoying?

    Or, do they not really have an opinion one way or the other? 
    You'd probably expect this from me, but I'm guessing he'd plummet in their esteem should he fail to pay their wages at some point.
  • Would he maybe consider joining the ex directors and offer to get some recompense should we reach the PL, and hand it over to someone with serious clout....if they exist??
    I doubt many purchasers would agree though. If you are going to spend £'s to try to get to the PL it is a high risk/high reward strategy.  If that was me I would want the reward not to pass it to a failed previous owner just because he didn't achieve his own goals.  

    Appreciate the spivs agreed to a similar deal but they picked up the club and it's assets for nothing in return didn't they?
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,886
    Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.
    In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 
    I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 
    How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

    There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?
  • God this is a depressing thread. What is it with our effing club that we just keep attracting spivs, crooks, nutters and egomaniacs for owners. Next time lucky ?
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  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,866
    God this is a depressing thread. What is it with our effing club that we just keep attracting spivs, crooks, nutters and egomaniacs for owners. Next time lucky ?

    No, it will be another twat 
  • Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.
    I’m sure there’s a number that can make that happen. Will anyone pay it? I assume you know a lot more than me on that front.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    God this is a depressing thread. What is it with our effing club that we just keep attracting spivs, crooks, nutters and egomaniacs for owners. Next time lucky ?
    The law of average says it's about time we got a good owner. 
    I just hope I live long enough to see it happen. 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.
    In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 
    I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 
    How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

    There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?
    There is interest, but these things are always a dance. 
  • Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.
    In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 
    I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 
    How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

    There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?
    There is interest, but these things are always a dance. 
    Hopefully a jive and not a slow waltz.
  • boggzy
    boggzy Posts: 3,595
    Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.
    In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 
    I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 
    How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

    There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?
    There is interest, but these things are always a dance. 
    Classic Airman!
  • If there is to be a follow up session with Sandgaard as proposed by CAST then to get them maximum number of people to attend could it be arranged for people also join via Teams & Zoom for those of us who don't live in the area?. 
  • Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.
    In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 
    I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 
    How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

    There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?
    There is interest, but these things are always a dance. 
    Problem with our waltz is that there are three people in it. Sandgaard, Duchatelet and buyer. 
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    If there is to be a follow up session with Sandgaard as proposed by CAST then to get them maximum number of people to attend could it be arranged for people also join via Teams & Zoom for those of us who don't live in the area?. 
    What’s the point, he just feeds them lines of spiel and drivel. 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    shirty5 said:
    castrust said:
    CAST board members met with Thomas Sandgaard and other club representatives on Weds evening. Here's the full report:

    https://www.castrust.org/2022/10/thomas-sandgaard-break-even-scenario-would-not-be-achieved-by-cost-cutting/
    Where to even start with that! Could be here all day 
    So we have the 4th highest budget & it's higher than last year but we are I believe 10 players light from last season & we hear that we are paying 4th division wages. Jack Payne for one came here on less wages than he was offered at Swindon, so where is this higher players budget being spent ?
    I 100% believe that a team of Lifers would do a very job running the business side of the club, given a little backing. There’s a wealth of expertise on here. 
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  • Pavoren007
    Pavoren007 Posts: 2,519
    This is all such a double edged sword situation. You just know we are going to go on a run at some point, land in the play offs which will prolong our current owners’ interest and hopes. On the one hand why would we not like that, but bigger picture says mid-table mediocrity this season may hasten a departure and change of hands. Shouldn’t need to be looking at it this way, but this is where we are at from my perspective and I think I would take that mid-table spot as things stand if it led to a more prosperous change…? Thing is, we can guarantee nothing. So frustrating, but nothing beyond what we have come to expect following our great team. 
  • Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.
    In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 
    I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 
    How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

    There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?
    There is interest, but these things are always a dance. 
    Hopefully a jive and not a slow waltz.
    Barclay ? 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    edited October 2022
    JamesSeed said:
    shirty5 said:
    castrust said:
    CAST board members met with Thomas Sandgaard and other club representatives on Weds evening. Here's the full report:

    https://www.castrust.org/2022/10/thomas-sandgaard-break-even-scenario-would-not-be-achieved-by-cost-cutting/
    Where to even start with that! Could be here all day 
    So we have the 4th highest budget & it's higher than last year but we are I believe 10 players light from last season & we hear that we are paying 4th division wages. Jack Payne for one came here on less wages than he was offered at Swindon, so where is this higher players budget being spent ?
    I 100% believe that a team of Lifers would do a very job running the business side of the club, given a little backing. There’s a wealth of expertise on here. 

    Hey steady on, you're just a football fan,  turn up, wave your scarf & cheer the team, leave running the football club to businessmen who know what they're doing.
  • How has away travel to games changed for the team?
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Can't we just get TS a regular gig at the Rose of Denmark, with no attachment to any Charlton football related business? 
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,277
    God this is a depressing thread. What is it with our effing club that we just keep attracting spivs, crooks, nutters and egomaniacs for owners. Next time lucky ?
    Sadly, I think in modern football nutters and egomaniacs are the rule rather than the exception.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,563
    After reading that I've come to the conclusion that what Thomas Sandgaard thinks and what Thomas Sandgaard says and does exist in two very different realities.
    Gollum?
  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 8,602
    Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.
    In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 
    I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 
    How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

    There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?
    There is interest, but these things are always a dance. 
    Ladies and Gentlemen.

    A tap dance!
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,824
    Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

    Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 
    Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.
    In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 
    I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 
    How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

    There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?
    There is interest, but these things are always a dance. 
    Blimey, that Nicko from the Sun has taken over Airman’s account
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,866
    I can imagine a potential buyer after being in talks with Sandgaard

    "What on earth was that...its like I've just done a moonwalk on the edge of a cliff"