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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Scoham said:
Which it will eventually, there will come a point he’d rather sell than fund further losses. It’s just a question of when.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.
I absolutely agree with this , it's absolutely a when. Probably when there's no one in the squad that he can sell for seven figures to reduce the losses. Could easily see him entertaining offers by the end of the season if we aren't in the PO hunt.1 -
I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him.LonelyNorthernAddick said:
In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7?Airman Brown said:
Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.9 -
Maybe we should start a new Card ( not CARD) initiative & send him some good wishes for his next project to help him on his way....Airman Brown said:
Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.
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Would he maybe consider joining the ex directors and offer to get some recompense should we reach the PL, and hand it over to someone with serious clout....if they exist??1
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I don't think he even believes it's possible, the numbers aren't close to adding up. It's just bare faced lies at this stage.Airman Brown said:Without breaking any confidences I know for obvious reasons quite a lot of people who have been or are involved in running or overseeing the club at a senior level or have a professional insight. Absolutely none of them think TS is doing a good job or have confidence in him going forward.2 -
An important consideration is...do the players and coaching staff like Sandgaard?
He will be sniffing around every now and again and making alterations/having some kind of input.
Do they find him annoying?
Or, do they not really have an opinion one way or the other?1 -
You'd probably expect this from me, but I'm guessing he'd plummet in their esteem should he fail to pay their wages at some point.Dave2l said:An important consideration is...do the players and coaching staff like Sandgaard?
He will be sniffing around every now and again and making alterations/having some kind of input.
Do they find him annoying?
Or, do they not really have an opinion one way or the other?1 -
I doubt many purchasers would agree though. If you are going to spend £'s to try to get to the PL it is a high risk/high reward strategy. If that was me I would want the reward not to pass it to a failed previous owner just because he didn't achieve his own goals.carly burn said:Would he maybe consider joining the ex directors and offer to get some recompense should we reach the PL, and hand it over to someone with serious clout....if they exist??
Appreciate the spivs agreed to a similar deal but they picked up the club and it's assets for nothing in return didn't they?0 -
How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?Airman Brown said:
I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him.LonelyNorthernAddick said:
In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7?Airman Brown said:
Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.
There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?0 -
God this is a depressing thread. What is it with our effing club that we just keep attracting spivs, crooks, nutters and egomaniacs for owners. Next time lucky ?12
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ShootersHillGuru said:God this is a depressing thread. What is it with our effing club that we just keep attracting spivs, crooks, nutters and egomaniacs for owners. Next time lucky ?
No, it will be another twat10 -
I’m sure there’s a number that can make that happen. Will anyone pay it? I assume you know a lot more than me on that front.Airman Brown said:
Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.0 -
The law of average says it's about time we got a good owner.ShootersHillGuru said:God this is a depressing thread. What is it with our effing club that we just keep attracting spivs, crooks, nutters and egomaniacs for owners. Next time lucky ?
I just hope I live long enough to see it happen.9 -
There is interest, but these things are always a dance.valleynick66 said:
How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?Airman Brown said:
I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him.LonelyNorthernAddick said:
In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7?Airman Brown said:
Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.
There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?14 -
Hopefully a jive and not a slow waltz.Airman Brown said:
There is interest, but these things are always a dance.valleynick66 said:
How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?Airman Brown said:
I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him.LonelyNorthernAddick said:
In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7?Airman Brown said:
Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.
There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?2 -
Classic Airman!Airman Brown said:
There is interest, but these things are always a dance.valleynick66 said:
How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?Airman Brown said:
I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him.LonelyNorthernAddick said:
In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7?Airman Brown said:
Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.
There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?2 -
If there is to be a follow up session with Sandgaard as proposed by CAST then to get them maximum number of people to attend could it be arranged for people also join via Teams & Zoom for those of us who don't live in the area?.1
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Problem with our waltz is that there are three people in it. Sandgaard, Duchatelet and buyer.Airman Brown said:
There is interest, but these things are always a dance.valleynick66 said:
How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?Airman Brown said:
I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him.LonelyNorthernAddick said:
In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7?Airman Brown said:
Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.
There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?3 -
What’s the point, he just feeds them lines of spiel and drivel.CheshireAddick said:If there is to be a follow up session with Sandgaard as proposed by CAST then to get them maximum number of people to attend could it be arranged for people also join via Teams & Zoom for those of us who don't live in the area?.3 -
I 100% believe that a team of Lifers would do a very job running the business side of the club, given a little backing. There’s a wealth of expertise on here.charltonbob said:
So we have the 4th highest budget & it's higher than last year but we are I believe 10 players light from last season & we hear that we are paying 4th division wages. Jack Payne for one came here on less wages than he was offered at Swindon, so where is this higher players budget being spent ?shirty5 said:
Where to even start with that! Could be here all daycastrust said:CAST board members met with Thomas Sandgaard and other club representatives on Weds evening. Here's the full report:
https://www.castrust.org/2022/10/thomas-sandgaard-break-even-scenario-would-not-be-achieved-by-cost-cutting/10 -
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This is all such a double edged sword situation. You just know we are going to go on a run at some point, land in the play offs which will prolong our current owners’ interest and hopes. On the one hand why would we not like that, but bigger picture says mid-table mediocrity this season may hasten a departure and change of hands. Shouldn’t need to be looking at it this way, but this is where we are at from my perspective and I think I would take that mid-table spot as things stand if it led to a more prosperous change…? Thing is, we can guarantee nothing. So frustrating, but nothing beyond what we have come to expect following our great team.1
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Barclay ?Athletico Charlton said:
Hopefully a jive and not a slow waltz.Airman Brown said:
There is interest, but these things are always a dance.valleynick66 said:
How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?Airman Brown said:
I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him.LonelyNorthernAddick said:
In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7?Airman Brown said:
Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.
There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?0 -
JamesSeed said:
I 100% believe that a team of Lifers would do a very job running the business side of the club, given a little backing. There’s a wealth of expertise on here.charltonbob said:
So we have the 4th highest budget & it's higher than last year but we are I believe 10 players light from last season & we hear that we are paying 4th division wages. Jack Payne for one came here on less wages than he was offered at Swindon, so where is this higher players budget being spent ?shirty5 said:
Where to even start with that! Could be here all daycastrust said:CAST board members met with Thomas Sandgaard and other club representatives on Weds evening. Here's the full report:
https://www.castrust.org/2022/10/thomas-sandgaard-break-even-scenario-would-not-be-achieved-by-cost-cutting/
Hey steady on, you're just a football fan, turn up, wave your scarf & cheer the team, leave running the football club to businessmen who know what they're doing.2 -
How has away travel to games changed for the team?4
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Can't we just get TS a regular gig at the Rose of Denmark, with no attachment to any Charlton football related business?5
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Sadly, I think in modern football nutters and egomaniacs are the rule rather than the exception.ShootersHillGuru said:God this is a depressing thread. What is it with our effing club that we just keep attracting spivs, crooks, nutters and egomaniacs for owners. Next time lucky ?
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Gollum?CL_Phantom said:After reading that I've come to the conclusion that what Thomas Sandgaard thinks and what Thomas Sandgaard says and does exist in two very different realities.4 -
Ladies and Gentlemen.Airman Brown said:
There is interest, but these things are always a dance.valleynick66 said:
How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?Airman Brown said:
I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him.LonelyNorthernAddick said:
In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7?Airman Brown said:
Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.
There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?
A tap dance!0 -
Blimey, that Nicko from the Sun has taken over Airman’s accountAirman Brown said:
There is interest, but these things are always a dance.valleynick66 said:
How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?Airman Brown said:
I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him.LonelyNorthernAddick said:
In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7?Airman Brown said:
Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.Stu_of_Kunming said:Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him.Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested.
There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?12 -
I can imagine a potential buyer after being in talks with Sandgaard
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