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Post-match Thread: Sheffield Wednesday vs Charlton Athletic | Saturday 13th August 2022
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Really good performance. Title contenders away from home and all they muster is a solitary goal as home side. If Wednesday and Derby are the favourites for the title I don't think we have anything to worry about. Best footballing side last year were MK Dons. I can see us being that side this season. Keep going lads! Hugely impressed with Garnerball.0
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PWR
Whose the whipping boy at the moment? I read a couple of tweets aimed at Stockley, is it him?
According to Garner he wasn’t well before and during the game and of course with no Aneke, we had no alternatives?1 -
Anyone get down Kelham?0
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Repeat Ad infinitum.sillav nitram said:PWR
Whose the whipping boy at the moment? I read a couple of tweets aimed at Stockley, is it him?
According to Garner he wasn’t well before and during the game and of course with no Aneke, we had no alternatives?2 -
Come on Lancs, you know it’s not as simple as that. There are 1-0 defeats where you’re lucky it wasn’t 4-0 and you look like a team detained for a relegation fight; and there are 1-0 defeats where you could, and possibly should have got at least a point, and you look like a team that could be be in the playoffs.lancashire lad said:I thought the purpose was to score goals and not concede any - we did neither9 -
100% Preston got rid of Stockley for similarOff_it said:
deep breaths fella, deep breaths.cazo said:Stockley was shit as was Kirk not fucking interested sell stockley if we can and Kirk thay are shit
Reasons, he is very overrated and so so slow.
Kirk is supposed to be a good player “ really “
I think he’s also very average.
We were the best team to today and should have come away with a least one point.
the referee was a total wanker and cost us at least one penalty maybe two.
It’s early days and I have great faith in our new young manager, but there is one ingredient we need and we have need it for 2 years and that is a proper focused striker 👍👍👍👍👍2 -
We need a proper Striker ….factCallumcafc said:Garner dodges the question whether we need another striker. Says that Stockley played with an illness today.
Stockley is very poor and very slow 👎👎0 -
We Need a proper striker
otherwise the same old story in front of goal will carry on and on.
our owner should face the facts and invest in a proper striker or stay in league one !!!1 -
Pretty brutal marking on the Players Marks thread, particularly in the first couple of pages.Don’t get giving players 1s, 2, 3s & 4s after that performance against a top side away from home.Stockley was poor, but he was ill. Still think we need another striker, as I’ve never thought he’s quite good enough if you’re chasing promotion. He reminds me of Magennis slightly. Decent, but not great.PS Looks like we’re much better at playing out from the back than Man Utd!9
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Yeah i said it last year and again all summer he will not score enough goals in this formation to get us near the play offs. He has never scored enough in his career at this level for a promotion team. I honestly like the guy his a good old fashioned pro but he is not good enough and lots of people seem to have rose tinted specs for the guy. His first touch is abysmal and that shot from edge of the box last week against Derby was embarrassing.Elthamaddick said:
Said this after day 1, Stockley cannot play in a 433 as proved last seasoncs1986 said:Anyone still want to tell me Stockley will get 20+ league goals?
Hes a good player but not in a 4 3 3 or as a lone striker. We worked that out last year under Adkins. Charlton love to do the same shit different day.
Stockley needs the old big man little man combo up front to be effective anything else doesn't work for him.6 - Sponsored links:
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Totally agree. A forum is a forum for the input and opinions.I can see definite positives, but if blind positives and optimism,covers up obvious flaws then what's the point Its clear we need a natural goal mouth poacher,to finish off the hard work and skill of our,new, more direct,and pacey approach, in attackMuttleyCAFC said:
Who is saying that? This is a forum and if people are not allowed to discuss the issues even if they are bloody obvious what is the point?Off_it said:
I think everyone agrees that we need more goals in the side and extra striking options. I haven't seen anyone say they're happy with what we've got.MuttleyCAFC said:We might not agree on the best way to get those additional 20 plus goals into the squad but surely we can all agree we need them if we are going to have a successful season.
It's just that not everyone is saying "I told you so" every bloody week.
As far as I am concerened, I expected a defeat and for 75 minutes I was pleasantly suprised. It is just an area that needs addressing is so obvious it is annoying some people that it keeps getting mentioned has likely cost us is surely worthy of discussion.
Playing Stockley, who was not completely fit, only emphasises our lack of depth in that department We wont go into the selling of Washington. Thats history .Thats Charlton.
I would sooner see a balanced team all puting in the effort to the best of their ability ,than , leaving a' what if' or 'if only' attitude, to add to a department that is obviously lacking.
If this comes across as negative,Too bad I'm a biggot and proud of it2 -
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I was bemused to hear this statement from the manager, but coming out directly with that, shows that he is fundamentally an honest person. I am sure many managers would have covered this upStrikerFirmani said:
This comment cements the fact we need an additional striker.Callumcafc said:Garner dodges the question whether we need another striker. Says that Stockley played with an illness today.0 -
I know it’s frustrating when you’re losing at the end of the game, especially after playing well for a large part of the game but I was a little disappointed with the maturity/concentration of some of our players.Albie in particular annoyed me when he tried to take a throw in, dallied around taking ages then gets annoyed and chucked the ball at Clayden. No need for it and hope we can learn to keep our cool more. If we’re going to play this way, any frustrations like that are just going to hinder us.Overall I thought it was a positive game and i agree with posters/the studio about us needing to get in at the back post more. I know Leaburn wants to play through the middle but he and us as a side have looked a more dangerous goal threat with him out wide and getting in the box with a more natural strikers instinct.I had some doubts about O’Connell but I thought he put in a good display.0
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In hindsight Garner got the subs wrong and late. The fact we went to Sheff Wed and were the better side is a positive.
Fraser concerns me. He just is a little bit lazy and I don't think he'll work in Garnerball. However Martin "recommended" him and that may cause issues when McGravy, Payne and Palace boy are all fit....2 -
I think TS's learning curve is flattening out but there is still some previous errors sitting in that squad. If a side is serious about promotion then Chuks has to be forgotten. I understand it was a gamble to up the ante in the squad under Jacko but a three year contract for a fella whose appearances won't cover six months is holding this squad back. McGillivary should be allowed to go too, I was never a fan but he is too good a keeper to play second fiddle and his wage would allow us options to complete this squad. Add to that JFC and Gilbey and this squad looks more settled and streamlined. I understand that getting these players out of the club is easier said than done but loans and possibly sales are possible for apart from Chuks, who's only option is donating his body to medical science.0
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Then charlton have put themselves under more pressure than need be.Jonniesta said:
No, you really don't. In order to win promotion you need to win your home games and collect plenty of points away. You don't need to win away at the pre-season favourites on the third match day.blackpool72 said:In order to win promotion you have to win games like this.
Seriously we were the better team and lost.
C***S
Next 2 games are the ones we need the wins from.Was not expecting anything else yesterday but defeat . Had we got a point one win at home and a draw would be enough from next two home games0 -
Why do you think you’re so important?golfaddick said:
I promised that I wouldn't post anymore tonight. So I'll just leave my silence do the talking......Southbank said:
But we have nobody else to play up front. We have 2 weeks now to sort this out. Sheff Wed were able to bring on Lee Gregory, a proven goalscorer. We could only bring in Miles Leaburn. Says it all.Croydon said:
If that's true it's just fucking stupidity. It was like playing with 10 men at timesSDAddick said:Garner saying Stockley was under the weather today but tried to play through it.8 -
Query, Plenty of time. Last years failure was down to a slow start, climbing up from the lower mid / bottom of table is not easy. Start as you mean to go on…. winning.Swisdom said:Seen a fair few comments online if people moaning but from what I could hear it was a good performance. Ok so we aren’t clicking up front yet but there’s plenty of time for that.
it sounded like it was a great game to watch just a frustrating result - this happens in football and it’s usually us who steal a win…..on this occasion we got turned over. I am not in the slightest concerned by that - the performance is important and it sounds as though we are going in the right direction.
keep the faith
ps - seen a fair few comments from their fans at how impressive we were which is nice to see for once4 - Sponsored links:
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Two wins from 3 is better than a win and 2 draws. Yes, we have pressure, any promotion chasing side does. We should be beating Cambridge at home, we should be beating Plymouth at home. If you can’t take a bit of pressure you're not promotion material. Unfortunately I think top 2 will be a step too far, but 6 points in the next 2 games will underline play-off credentials minimum.Lewis Coaches said:
Then charlton have put themselves under more pressure than need be.Jonniesta said:
No, you really don't. In order to win promotion you need to win your home games and collect plenty of points away. You don't need to win away at the pre-season favourites on the third match day.blackpool72 said:In order to win promotion you have to win games like this.
Seriously we were the better team and lost.
C***S
Next 2 games are the ones we need the wins from.Was not expecting anything else yesterday but defeat . Had we got a point one win at home and a draw would be enough from next two home games0 -
Seen a couple of posts ‘suggesting’ Stockley was ill.
I thought that was the case actually, as he appeared so listless from the start.
Anyone got the exact info on this?0 -
Stockley IllSoundAsa£ said:Seen a couple of posts ‘suggesting’ Stockley was ill.
I thought that was the case actually, as he appeared so listless from the start.
Anyone got the exact info on this?
Aneke never fit.
Leaburn a work in progress.
And yet some on here reckon we don't need another striker.9 -
Who on here thinks we don’t need another striker?blackpool72 said:
Stockley IllSoundAsa£ said:Seen a couple of posts ‘suggesting’ Stockley was ill.
I thought that was the case actually, as he appeared so listless from the start.
Anyone got the exact info on this?
Aneke never fit.
Leaburn a work in progress.
And yet some on here reckon we don't need another striker.13 -
Our new identity and style of play is fantastic to watch. I have not enjoyed watching a Charlton team so much in years and it is only just four games into the season. (Inc cup games)
We deserved all three points, and The Owls did a simular thing to what we did to Derby last week. In that situation after so much dominance for 70 mins we need the composure to put the game to bed, that was disapointing in that respect.
I agree Stockley is not Mobile enough for the deep lying striker position. I felt Miles was much more reactive with his pace when in this position. We need another Striker, If we bring one in I do believe we could be in with a shout of a top 6 spot by the end of the season.
We started better then last season already, and all the signs are positive. Big test on Tuesday night, come away with a win at home to Plymouth and it is a decent start from us. And we will only improve as the season progresses
UTA!5 -
I don't get why you would start (not even bench) a player that was ill.
It stands out as a tacit admission of squad inadequacy in that position, something that dozens of us on here have been prattling on about since day one.
Our need for a goalscoring forward or goalscoring winger/forward is primary - left sided defender or other positions are secondary.
Miles is not ready to be first pick and Chuks is our joker in the pack - brilliant when available but you can't plan around him.
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@Stockley_9ValleyGary said:
Who on here thinks we don’t need another striker?blackpool72 said:
Stockley IllSoundAsa£ said:Seen a couple of posts ‘suggesting’ Stockley was ill.
I thought that was the case actually, as he appeared so listless from the start.
Anyone got the exact info on this?
Aneke never fit.
Leaburn a work in progress.
And yet some on here reckon we don't need another striker.9 -
Stockley’s impact or the team tiring and late subs?3
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So what if Wollacott gets injured? McGillivary is under contract and if he is too good a keeper to be a reserve, great if we want to make a push for promotion.Bailey said:I think TS's learning curve is flattening out but there is still some previous errors sitting in that squad. If a side is serious about promotion then Chuks has to be forgotten. I understand it was a gamble to up the ante in the squad under Jacko but a three year contract for a fella whose appearances won't cover six months is holding this squad back. McGillivary should be allowed to go too, I was never a fan but he is too good a keeper to play second fiddle and his wage would allow us options to complete this squad. Add to that JFC and Gilbey and this squad looks more settled and streamlined. I understand that getting these players out of the club is easier said than done but loans and possibly sales are possible for apart from Chuks, who's only option is donating his body to medical science.0 -
so from your quote, I think I am right in saying you were not impressed with Stockley and Kirk !cazo said:Stockley was shit as was Kirk not fucking interested sell stockley if we can and Kirk thay are shit2
