So to sum up the above comments, we can’t score and we can’t defend but we are excellent between the boxes. Not all bad news then ...
To be fair to BG, the bit that he can control (the style of play, the way we construct moves) was fine, but the bit he can’t control (shooting, defensive basics) were appalling.
I think key players let him down yesterday.
I make you right. Morgan made no effort to close down the 1st goal scorer. If he had it's unlikely he would have scored.
Clare & O'Connell let their player through without putting in a challenge for the 2nd.
Lavelle came across getting in O'Connell's way, resulting in them both being at fault for the 3rd.
Garner is not blame free, but it was individuals laziness, poor judgement, poor decision making & poor play, that were the biggest problems.
So to sum up the above comments, we can’t score and we can’t defend but we are excellent between the boxes. Not all bad news then ...
To be fair to BG, the bit that he can control (the style of play, the way we construct moves) was fine, but the bit he can’t control (shooting, defensive basics) were appalling.
I think key players let him down yesterday.
I make you right. Morgan made no effort to close down the 1st goal scorer. If he had it's unlikely he would have scored.
Clare & O'Connell let their player through without putting in a challenge for the 2nd.
Lavelle came across getting in O'Connell's way, resulting in them both being at fault for the 3rd.
Garner is not blame free, but it was individuals laziness, poor judgement, poor decision making & poor play, that were the biggest problems.
He checks his right shoulder then immediately starts running to the man?
The bigger issue on that one was that the opposite 10 was unmarked in the first place. He was Morgan's man, but Morgan was caught ball watching a bit, whilst by the look of it trying to stay fairly central ahead of Lavelle and O'Connell.
So to sum up the above comments, we can’t score and we can’t defend but we are excellent between the boxes. Not all bad news then ...
To be fair to BG, the bit that he can control (the style of play, the way we construct moves) was fine, but the bit he can’t control (shooting, defensive basics) were appalling.
I think key players let him down yesterday.
I make you right. Morgan made no effort to close down the 1st goal scorer. If he had it's unlikely he would have scored.
Clare & O'Connell let their player through without putting in a challenge for the 2nd.
Lavelle came across getting in O'Connell's way, resulting in them both being at fault for the 3rd.
Garner is not blame free, but it was individuals laziness, poor judgement, poor decision making & poor play, that were the biggest problems.
He checks his right shoulder then immediately starts running to the man?
The bigger issue on that one was that the opposite 10 was unmarked in the first place. He was Morgan's man, but Morgan was caught ball watching a bit, whilst by the look of it trying to stay fairly central ahead of Lavelle and O'Connell.
Still Morgan's mistake admittedly.
Yeah but let's be honest it's a mistake that doesn't get punished 999 times out of a 1000. When a strike like that goes in sometimes you just have to say fair enough.
The second goal was criminal. O connell got disposed then their striker just sauntered through our box unchallenged.
The third goal was embarrassing again from our centre backs. They both need dropping after that performance tbh. Albie doesn't.
Why is foster caskey not in this team has he got a league appearance fee that the club can’t afford to pay or something.
As for it’s not Garners fault. It is if he keeps laying a system that the players can’t play.
433 sick of hearing everyone else uses it and are successful. We got 2 wingers who can’t cross and can’t shot and a centreforward that just spends the whole game wrestling with 2 centrebacks with no supply to score.
Barnsley didn’t even need to have a goalie Saturday.
Stockley should have been sold and replaced to play this system but he wasn’t so we should change the system. Until we get a forward that can play it. 442 leaburn and stockley up the middle Kirk and Jez on the wings banging crosses in.
Why is foster caskey not in this team has he got a league appearance fee that the club can’t afford to pay or something.
As for it’s not Garners fault. It is if he keeps laying a system that the players can’t play.
433 sick of hearing everyone else uses it and are successful. We got 2 wingers who can’t cross and can’t shot and a centreforward that just spends the whole game wrestling with 2 centrebacks with no supply to score.
Barnsley didn’t even need to have a goalie Saturday.
Stockley should have been sold and replaced to play this system but he wasn’t so we should change the system. Until we get a forward that can play it. 442 leaburn and stockley up the middle Kirk and Jez on the wings banging crosses in.
Skintgaard doesn’t want to spend a penny on appearance fees
Garner is being asked to play a style of football by Sandgaard but has not been given the players to deliver. This team has been put together by bringing in a load of players from league Two. We have no left sided defender at the club. Our centre half partnership is not good enough. Morgan is being given far to many chances despite being poor most of the time. Stockley is like a fish out of water in this system. Aneke is never fit meaning we only have a teenager as a replacement. Sandgaard has totally failed to give Garner the tools to do the job. I cannot see things improving over the coming weeks and fear we are heading for a relegation scrap. This is what happens when you think you are cleverer than everyone else and try to do things on the cheap. I predict our attendance at the valley will plummet over the winter months despite what the club announces. How's your five year plan going Tommy ?
Yes, agree 100 %
I have been a big supporter of Morgan but oh dear, no consistency. We also lack physical strength in midfield, the northern teams must especially love playing us.
As already posted a substantial improvement could be made with a commanding CB and a goal scoring number 9. Did we actually pay a fee for Lavelle ? Unbelievable!
A novel suggestion for TS ; instead of trying to get players on the cheap, how about we PAY THE GOING RATE.
Posted a few matches ago when Morgan put a shot into the stand immediately before being subbed and running off grinning: he’s so inconsistent because he doesn’t give a shit.
Why is foster caskey not in this team has he got a league appearance fee that the club can’t afford to pay or something.
As for it’s not Garners fault. It is if he keeps laying a system that the players can’t play.
433 sick of hearing everyone else uses it and are successful. We got 2 wingers who can’t cross and can’t shot and a centreforward that just spends the whole game wrestling with 2 centrebacks with no supply to score.
Barnsley didn’t even need to have a goalie Saturday.
Stockley should have been sold and replaced to play this system but he wasn’t so we should change the system. Until we get a forward that can play it. 442 leaburn and stockley up the middle Kirk and Jez on the wings banging crosses in.
That sounds so simple but it's actually spot on. You'll hear quite a few times how we overcomplicate the game but even the majority on here can see this system does not work with the three forwards we have. I promise you though the two Football experts Sandgaard & Sandgaard will be livid if some jumped up coach with loads of badges tells them he's going back to basics.
Why is foster caskey not in this team has he got a league appearance fee that the club can’t afford to pay or something.
As for it’s not Garners fault. It is if he keeps laying a system that the players can’t play.
433 sick of hearing everyone else uses it and are successful. We got 2 wingers who can’t cross and can’t shot and a centreforward that just spends the whole game wrestling with 2 centrebacks with no supply to score.
Barnsley didn’t even need to have a goalie Saturday.
Stockley should have been sold and replaced to play this system but he wasn’t so we should change the system. Until we get a forward that can play it. 442 leaburn and stockley up the middle Kirk and Jez on the wings banging crosses in.
I agree with this and no need to play two box to box CMs, play 1 CDM, 1 CM and leave the CDM deep lying to protect the back four. With so many teams playing the three in the middle, our possession stats may suffer, but keep the ball down the wings as much as possible and we will benefit from the attacking threat the two forwards and other wide player offer. We cannot persevere with this formation (just to prove a point perhaps) for much longer. The other option is go three at the back, Clare right or left hand side, but that would force Jes up top if the clause in his loan (must start every game) is to be believed. I don’t think he could be relied upon for the defensive side, Egbo could, as could Sess on the other side…
tapping/passing the ball about to and fro, up and down, not making any real progress whilst looking for openings which usually are not exploited because our players' passing is not accurate enough .. playing out from the back instead of lumping it up field ..
with this mostly 4th division squad Garnerball is preferring to give the ball away in our final third over conceding a throw in on half way or possession to the opponent’s goalie or defenders piss about with it aimlessly at the back while the opponent either a) gets all lined up defensively organised or b) presses en masse in search of an easy turnover a) or b) demands speed of thought and clinical passing - from lower league stock!!!
These are 3rd/4th division players and kids and Garner expects ManCity and Liverpool levels of composure awareness and passing Jackson proved there’s a middle ground at this standard It got turgid under JJ when he had no strikers at all for 3 months and momentum evaporated After that: uncertainty over his future and that of a number of decent players at the end of their contracts, kept the brakes on Jackson’s method worked better than Adkins’s or Garner’s i.e. Skintgaard’s Brainless persistence is going to cost TS a Garner payoff plus uncertainty Or subsiding into the bottom 4 and commensurate collapse of matchday revenue Something has to give and soon Tactical pragmatism is the short term no cost option at least financially
Oxford Utd on Saturday provides the perfect setting
Whatever you think of Garnerball, tippytappy, call it what you like, we are creating more chances than I can remember us creating in quite some time.
For what it’s worth, our open play Xg is the best in the division (I think), but our finishing is so poor, and our defending so variable, that it’s not translating into goals and wins, so people are calling for a change of formation.
There’s a danger of that backfiring if it results in fewer chances being created, which it might. For example, how does Rak Sakyi fit into a 442? Or CBT? Neither seem obvious choices to play alongside Stockley/Leaburn, in the Washington role.
One winger sitting centrally to win territory battles in the middle, the other winger getting to the byline and joining forces with the front two.
Very similar to what Powell did with Jackson and Wagstaff/Green in 2011/12.
I like the Powell 442
After all, 442 doesn't mean you have to play 2 flying wingers in the wide positions, you can play a 3rd midfielder as one of the wide men.
Not forgetting Lee Bowyer won us promotion with his favoured 4-4-2 diamond formation. Reminds us that 4-4-2 (or any formation) doesn't have to be rigid - plenty of ways to skin a cat.
Questioned about the winless run, Garner said recently that he wasn't going to just tear up his system and try something new.
I'm sure Garner knows that if the results don't come, he'll have to adapt his gameplan to his available players. Did I read somewhere that he did exactly that part way through the season at Swindon last year?
If so, it seems that he often got the results he needed.
Not seen mentioned the impact of having Mac back in goal. He was letting in shots from distance for fun last season and yet again was a spectator as 3 goals whizzed passed him on Saturday. Those were the only 3 shots on target - did he actually make a save?
No coincidence that the defence would feel nervous with him behind them and may have also been a factor in the comedic defending.
Not seen mentioned the impact of having Mac back in goal. He was letting in shots from distance for fun last season and yet again was a spectator as 3 goals whizzed passed him on Saturday. Those were the only 3 shots on target - did he actually make a save?
No coincidence that the defence would feel nervous with him behind them and may have also been a factor in the comedic defending.
What goals do you think he should have saved out of interest?
we concede way too many goals by really bad defending on the turnover, dropping too deep and not picking up the runs. We miss too many opportunities to score. Neither problem is due to the formation, it’s the quality of the players picked. If you keep playing and the same thing happens it’s a flat learning curve. Only Stockley doesn’t really fit the system, through no fault of his own, although if he was 47 feet tall he would have a better chance of connecting with a cross from Morgan 😀
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"I’ve talked about it before, you can’t be brilliant every week but you need to find a way to win – that’s the most important thing."
That's what the Barnsley manager said after the game.
He knows. It's a results business.
Morgan made no effort to close down the 1st goal scorer. If he had it's unlikely he would have scored.
Clare & O'Connell let their player through without putting in a challenge for the 2nd.
Lavelle came across getting in O'Connell's way, resulting in them both being at fault for the 3rd.
Garner is not blame free, but it was individuals laziness, poor judgement, poor decision making & poor play, that were the biggest problems.
The bigger issue on that one was that the opposite 10 was unmarked in the first place. He was Morgan's man, but Morgan was caught ball watching a bit, whilst by the look of it trying to stay fairly central ahead of Lavelle and O'Connell.
Still Morgan's mistake admittedly.
He trotted a few steps towards the scorer, before turning sidewards giving him a free shot at goal.
Yeah but let's be honest it's a mistake that doesn't get punished 999 times out of a 1000. When a strike like that goes in sometimes you just have to say fair enough.
The second goal was criminal. O connell got disposed then their striker just sauntered through our box unchallenged.
The third goal was embarrassing again from our centre backs. They both need dropping after that performance tbh. Albie doesn't.
I have been a big supporter of Morgan but oh dear, no consistency.
We also lack physical strength in midfield, the northern teams must especially love playing us.
As already posted a substantial improvement could be made with a commanding CB and a goal scoring number 9.
Did we actually pay a fee for Lavelle ? Unbelievable!
A novel suggestion for TS ; instead of trying to get players on the cheap, how about we PAY THE GOING RATE.
He's been one of very few who put effort in every game.
Fact is he's probably just not good enough.
Woollacott
sess
oconnell
innis
egbo
Payne
Dobson
Fraser
CBT
Leaburn
JRS
Any takers ??? its all i've got left
Egbo Dobson JFC Sessegnon
JRS Stockley Leaburn
But you can bet if Curbs was still manager, he would.
Very similar to what Powell did with Jackson and Wagstaff/Green in 2011/12.
piss about with it aimlessly at the back while the opponent either a) gets all lined up defensively organised or b) presses en masse in search of an easy turnover
a) or b) demands speed of thought and clinical passing - from lower league stock!!!
These are 3rd/4th division players and kids and Garner expects ManCity and Liverpool levels of composure awareness and passing Jackson proved there’s a middle ground at this standard
It got turgid under JJ when he had no strikers at all for 3 months and momentum evaporated
After that: uncertainty over his future and that of a number of decent players at the end of their contracts, kept the brakes on
Jackson’s method worked better than Adkins’s or Garner’s i.e. Skintgaard’s
Brainless persistence is going to cost TS a Garner payoff plus uncertainty Or subsiding into the bottom 4 and commensurate collapse of matchday revenue
Something has to give and soon
Tactical pragmatism is the short term no cost option at least financially
Oxford Utd on Saturday provides the perfect setting
hey soon be Christmas 🎅🏻 🥳
After all, 442 doesn't mean you have to play 2 flying wingers in the wide positions, you can play a 3rd midfielder as one of the wide men.
For example, how does Rak Sakyi fit into a 442? Or CBT? Neither seem obvious choices to play alongside Stockley/Leaburn, in the Washington role.
Reminds us that 4-4-2 (or any formation) doesn't have to be rigid - plenty of ways to skin a cat.
Questioned about the winless run, Garner said recently that he wasn't going to just tear up his system and try something new.
I'm sure Garner knows that if the results don't come, he'll have to adapt his gameplan to his available players.
Did I read somewhere that he did exactly that part way through the season at Swindon last year?
If so, it seems that he often got the results he needed.
No coincidence that the defence would feel nervous with him behind them and may have also been a factor in the comedic defending.