I went to the game yesterday and had a really very good view high up on the half way line. After sleeping on the disappointment I think these are my objective views. Yesterday I said we pose no goal threat whatsoever but that’s not true. We got into very good positions yesterday time after time but the players we have are just not natural goal scorers. Our shooting from in and around the 18 yard box is nothing short of unbelievably bad. CBT and Rak-Sakyi could have had at least a goal apiece in the first half. Both really got into the box very well but the attempts on goal were high and wide every time. When they laid it off to advancing midfield the result was the same. Fraser, Dobson and Morgan are not goalscorers. Not only that, they were too easily dominated by an aggressive and committed Barnsley midfield. The good news is our full backs are perfectly up to the task. I like both Clare and Egbo. That’s where the good news ends though. Centre backs are methodical, telegraphed, mechanical and wooden looking. You’ll notice I haven’t mentioned Stockley. The set up doesn’t suit him and he’s neither quick or skillful enough to play that role. He’s now not even winning headers. His body language is frustration and his moaning and arm flailing is off the scale. Miles got short shrift from the Barnsley defence and for perhaps the first time looked what he is, a young player learning the ropes. He was lucky to stay on the pitch to be honest after he blatantly slapped / punch a Barnsley player. The incident it seems missed by all the officials because he should have walked. On the whole Barnsley deserved the points. Positives are do have some quality but sadly not enough in the really key areas. Worryingly it’s just starting to look like the players are losing belief and expecting to lose. I’m not particularly worried about relegation and expect us to finish mid table but unless we address some the glaring striker issue in January I’ll be very jittery.
I went to the game yesterday and had a really very good view high up on the half way line. After sleeping on the disappointment I think these are my objective views. Yesterday I said we pose no goal threat whatsoever but that’s not true. We got into very good positions yesterday time after time but the players we have are just not natural goal scorers. Our shooting from in and around the 18 yard box is nothing short of unbelievably bad. CBT and Rak-Sakyi could have had at least a goal apiece in the first half. Both really got into the box very well but the attempts on goal were high and wide every time. When they laid it off to advancing midfield the result was the same. Fraser, Dobson and Morgan are not goalscorers. Not only that, they were too easily dominated by an aggressive and committed Barnsley midfield. The good news is our full backs are perfectly up to the task. I like both Clare and Egbo. That’s where the good news ends though. Centre backs are methodical, telegraphed, mechanical and wooden looking. You’ll notice I haven’t mentioned Stockley. The set up doesn’t suit him and he’s neither quick or skillful enough to play that role. He’s now not even winning headers. His body language is frustration and his moaning and arm flailing is off the scale. Miles got short shrift from the Barnsley defence and for perhaps the first time looked what he is, a young player learning the ropes. He was lucky to stay on the pitch to be honest after he blatantly slapped / punch a Barnsley player. The incident it seems missed by all the officials because he should have walked. On the whole Barnsley deserved the points. Positives are do have some quality but sadly not enough in the really key areas. Worryingly it’s just starting to look like the players are losing belief and expecting to lose. I’m not particularly worried about relegation and expect us to finish mid table but unless we address some the glaring striker issue in January I’ll be very jittery.
Good feedback, thank you.
I must admit, I don’t understand where these making of a good team comments are coming from in some posts. As outlined above, our centre backs are wooden and mechanical. O’Connell brought in as a ball playing defender. Admittedly, he’s a right footed CB playing on the left, but watching him bring the ball under control, turn to his left to distribute the ball is painful. It’s so slow. He’s clearly not comfortable there and negates this ball playing philosophy. I agree re: the full backs to an extent, however, we need a natural left footer at left back, particularly if our left centre back is also right footed. That’s a whole back four of right footed players.
Dobson is okay, he’s not really done much wrong in a Charlton shirt during his time here, but he doesn’t look like Cullen which is the quality I think we need in his role, and I use him as a benchmark. Fraser hasn’t really got going. A few goals, the odd assist in his time here, but he doesn’t look like he’s going to be spearheading us to promotion and having the sort of impact Aribo did 4 years ago. Morgan. Well, it’s been done to death. Not good enough, plain and simple. It would’ve happened for him by now after 100 odd games. McGrandles has had a bad start, but again, hardly inspiring. Payne looks okay, but again, I can’t see him being someone firing us to promotion.
As you point out. JRS and CBT are your typical pacey step over merchants. A lot of promise, but they are the archetypal inconsistent front players who over the course of a season will get in lots of good positions and not have the next level up to make good on those positions. The tweets from the Barnsley fans and the general, ‘oh, if we could just take our chances’, really mean very little, because we never do. Sooner rather than later you realise it’s that lack of quality, rather than clinging to the hope it will all come good and we’ll put 5 past someone.
We know Stockley is turning into the proverbial lead balloon, and Aneke is about as reliable as a South Eastern’s trains running on time. Leaburn is way too inexperienced to run the line and take the flak for those two.
In summary, it’s a complete disaster and the team and squad imo are pretty crap once again. They won’t turn it around and there’s no point in thinking, if we could just take our chances, we’ve played better quality opposition, etc etc. We are not good enough and we have all the makings of a team that can finish no higher than 12th, if that
There's not one player in this team who puts his foot on the ball in or around the box and you think, "I fancy him to score here." Nobody has that mix of quality and composure in the entire squad.
We did play some good football, as we have in a few games already this season. But we don't have the killer instinct. The thing for me was BG post match comments. He said in training he sees a different end product to what we do in matches.
For me, this comes down to the mental strength of the players. Good players can reproduce want they do in training on game day. This tells we are psychologically weak. And that's what you get with L1 and L2 signings.
They have not consistently played at a higher level due to this. Football is a confidence game, and we are lacking.
Is this BG's fault? The manager installs belief. But the players have to already have that mental strength, and we don't at the moment.
I don't think Changing the manager will fix it. We just don't have the players. I really hope that Ben can turn that around, I see him as a philosophical manager, but as the season is progressing, and we aren't winning, it gets harder and harder.
We need to be more tough.
I've been saying we need to be tougher for longer than I can remember and it never changes.
Having Egbo and Sessegnon back will improve us but that's not going to help us score. I don't think we'll end up near the relegation zone come the end of the season, but we won't be near the top 6 either. Grim
Optimistically, if in addition to the above, we ever have Chucks/Innis in the team we might have more success?
Thank God we have twinkle toes Rak-Sakyi in the team to give us some WOW moments.
What I find so annoying is CBT being so selfish attempting a worldy EVERY time. He doesn't even see unmarked players in the penalty box e.g. 0.39 mins in the Highlight video. This happens over and over and over again. There is no 'I' in team. Surely coaching should sort this out?
I think there is the making of a good team. We are a good striker and a good centre half short. Of course we could have a better squad but the glaring issues are these big ones. The point is, if you have those, things that are issues become lesser ones. If I was a manager I would set a target of around 80 goals. If you perm all the players we have, we get nowhere near that. When opponents work out you couldn't score against a team of dustbins they take more risks because they are not big risks and this puts more pressure on defenders, especially when they know that if the concede one, they have either lost or drawn the match.
O'Connell gets done so easily on that inside left channel. Not the first time he's just lost balance and landed on his arse hoping that will defend the situation.
It's clear he needs to play RCB. But Lavelle and Innis will be just as clunky on the left. Add in a right back playing left back....what great bloody planning by the club.
Having Egbo and Sessegnon back will improve us but that's not going to help us score. I don't think we'll end up near the relegation zone come the end of the season, but we won't be near the top 6 either. Grim
Optimistically, if in addition to the above, we ever have Chucks/Innis in the team we might have more success?
Thank God we have twinkle toes Rak-Sakyi in the team to give us some WOW moments.
What I find so annoying is CBT being so selfish attempting a worldy EVERY time. He doesn't even see unmarked players in the penalty box e.g. 0.39 mins in the Highlight video. This happens over and over and over again. There is no 'I' in team. Surely coaching should sort this out?
It’s why CBT is playing for Charlton in mid table league three and not higher up where his undoubted talent could take him.
I have defended him but a criticism is he played Morgan over Payne or JFC. Two of the three midfielders can't score for toffee. Not a great idea when your forwards can't do it.
Their player slips in first half and CBT decides to shoot rather than square it. O’Connell gets left on his arse by Cole who then squares and they score. That in a nut shell is where we go wrong
If we had signed Morgan from another club we would have got rid of him years ago. He has one good game in four - if that. How many more chances ( under how many more managers )will he get ?.
Frustrating is not the word. When we go away games we tend to drink with the locals. Before the game yesterday a few of them thought me and me mate were mad. We got asked how do we think we will do this season? My reply was fuck all no chance of us making top 6. Next what's the result going to be today? My reply 3 -0 Barnsley. If you've got a spare 2000 pounds stick it on Barnsley. They thought I was having them on. Was then asked what you come up here for then? Well it's not for the football.
A few of these teams weve played away you could tell after not long they were the better team , but I dont think we are that bad. Barnsley, Bolton Sheffield Wednesday are going to be up and around the play offs this season.
I dont want a lot , just to be around the play offs. I'm not even sure if we had spent 1 million quid we would of made the play offs but we wouldn't of been far off. For me we might aswell move onto the 23/24 season and if we are not going to invest next season under Thomas the 24/25 season.
I know its not my money but a 1 million pounds would of made a huge difference to this season. Is it a lot of money when the running of the club is costing £8 million a year?
I went to the game yesterday and had a really very good view high up on the half way line. After sleeping on the disappointment I think these are my objective views. Yesterday I said we pose no goal threat whatsoever but that’s not true. We got into very good positions yesterday time after time but the players we have are just not natural goal scorers. Our shooting from in and around the 18 yard box is nothing short of unbelievably bad. CBT and Rak-Sakyi could have had at least a goal apiece in the first half. Both really got into the box very well but the attempts on goal were high and wide every time. When they laid it off to advancing midfield the result was the same. Fraser, Dobson and Morgan are not goalscorers. Not only that, they were too easily dominated by an aggressive and committed Barnsley midfield. The good news is our full backs are perfectly up to the task. I like both Clare and Egbo. That’s where the good news ends though. Centre backs are methodical, telegraphed, mechanical and wooden looking. You’ll notice I haven’t mentioned Stockley. The set up doesn’t suit him and he’s neither quick or skillful enough to play that role. He’s now not even winning headers. His body language is frustration and his moaning and arm flailing is off the scale. Miles got short shrift from the Barnsley defence and for perhaps the first time looked what he is, a young player learning the ropes. He was lucky to stay on the pitch to be honest after he blatantly slapped / punch a Barnsley player. The incident it seems missed by all the officials because he should have walked. On the whole Barnsley deserved the points. Positives are do have some quality but sadly not enough in the really key areas. Worryingly it’s just starting to look like the players are losing belief and expecting to lose. I’m not particularly worried about relegation and expect us to finish mid table but unless we address some the glaring striker issue in January I’ll be very jittery.
Good feedback, thank you.
I must admit, I don’t understand where these making of a good team comments are coming from in some posts. As outlined above, our centre backs are wooden and mechanical. O’Connell brought in as a ball playing defender. Admittedly, he’s a right footed CB playing on the left, but watching him bring the ball under control, turn to his left to distribute the ball is painful. It’s so slow. He’s clearly not comfortable there and negates this ball playing philosophy. I agree re: the full backs to an extent, however, we need a natural left footer at left back, particularly if our left centre back is also right footed. That’s a whole back four of right footed players.
Dobson is okay, he’s not really done much wrong in a Charlton shirt during his time here, but he doesn’t look like Cullen which is the quality I think we need in his role, and I use him as a benchmark. Fraser hasn’t really got going. A few goals, the odd assist in his time here, but he doesn’t look like he’s going to be spearheading us to promotion and having the sort of impact Aribo did 4 years ago. Morgan. Well, it’s been done to death. Not good enough, plain and simple. It would’ve happened for him by now after 100 odd games. McGrandles has had a bad start, but again, hardly inspiring. Payne looks okay, but again, I can’t see him being someone firing us to promotion.
As you point out. JRS and CBT are your typical pacey step over merchants. A lot of promise, but they are the archetypal inconsistent front players who over the course of a season will get in lots of good positions and not have the next level up to make good on those positions. The tweets from the Barnsley fans and the general, ‘oh, if we could just take our chances’, really mean very little, because we never do. Sooner rather than later you realise it’s that lack of quality, rather than clinging to the hope it will all come good and we’ll put 5 past someone.
We know Stockley is turning into the proverbial lead balloon, and Aneke is about as reliable as a South Eastern’s trains running on time. Leaburn is way too inexperienced to run the line and take the flak for those two.
In summary, it’s a complete disaster and the team and squad imo are pretty crap once again. They won’t turn it around and there’s no point in thinking, if we could just take our chances, we’ve played better quality opposition, etc etc. We are not good enough and we have all the makings of a team that can finish no higher than 12th, if that
Bang on.
I was at Wycombe & behind the goal to the left. 2nd half I had a good view of O'Connell and his shortcomings. Not his fault he was playing on the left but my god, the amount of times he was on trouble as he either had to get the ball on his right foot or try to clear it with his left.....neither of which was pretty.
How on earth a professional football club can go into a season without at least 1 left footed defender is mindboogling. Look at some of the left backs we've had over the years - Reid,Powell, Konch, Purrington.....not to mention recent left footed defenders in Sarr & Pearce.
Aa for our attacking players. I've said it so many times I'm not going to repeat myself. Just find any of my posts in the "where are the goals going to come from" or "we need a striker" threads to see my thoughts on our lack of composure & shot shy forward line.
We all saw this coming months ago. The chickens are now roosting snugly in the barn & the horses are 3 fields away whilst the stable door is creaking in the wind.
Barnsley’s Kane is exactly what we need. He’s their playmaker and dominates the midfield he’s also strong in the tackle. Neither Fraser, Morgan or Dobson could live with him.
Frustrating is not the word. When we go away games we tend to drink with the locals. Before the game yesterday a few of them thought me and me mate were mad. We got asked how do we think we will do this season? My reply was fuck all no chance of us making top 6. Next what's the result going to be today? My reply 3 -0 Barnsley. If you've got a spare 2000 pounds stick it on Barnsley. They thought I was having them on. Was then asked what you come up here for then? Well it's not for the football.
A few of these teams weve played away you could tell after not long they were the better team , but I dont think we are that bad. Barnsley, Bolton Sheffield Wednesday are going to be up and around the play offs this season.
I dont want a lot , just to be around the play offs. I'm not even sure if we had spent 1 million quid we would of made the play offs but we wouldn't of been far off. For me we might aswell move onto the 23/24 season and if we are not going to invest next season under Thomas the 24/25 season.
I know its not my money but a 1 million pounds would of made a huge difference to this season. Is it a lot of money when the running of the club is costing £8 million a year?
Anyway roll on the 24/25 season.
Don't even need a million pounds.
Colbey Bishop cost £500k MacKirdy is playing in Scotland Jephcott is on loan at Swindon
I do think we a one decent ball playing central defender , the right type of striker to play on the middle of a front three and a natural left footed defender away from having decent side, the problem being Sandgaard was that arrogant/tight he decided we were all right with them and now it’s costing us
We are an established mid league 1 table team who will need 5 years to even get back to the Championship. That's sounds really pessimistic this morning but what a difference six games makes since we sunk Plymouth and HMS Piss the League set sail; my contribution was I hope we had enough Lifeboats even after the 5-1 win !
10 matches into this season and it's clear to sea we have hit the rocks. Captain Sandgaard is making sure the rock band plays on despite our black box radar being faulty.
The Pirate Southall is enjoying the distress and the sharks are circling. We press ganged some crew from the seaport of Swindon and other back waters where some are out of their depth and others are round a about the 1st team.
We are all at sea and awash with gloom as the ebb and flow will keep us in the deep end ; if chief engineer Garner can't get the engines and Sailors to work, Captain Sandgaard can wave goodbye as he encounters Poseidon; who can blow Cafc out of the water.
Sandgaard will continue to fail on the pitch for as long as he and his son dictate playing policy. We all laughed at the idea of Sandgaard junior or to use the American term Sandgaard the second, becoming manager, well apart from picking the players that's actually what's happening. If Garner wants out and hopefully a healthy pay off then I would suggest he attempts to change the system, get some wins under his belt and pisses Sandgaard the second right off. Neither senior or junior Sandgaard have actually played professional football, coached or managed in football but they seem to know everything there is about a pressing game and what's required and how successful it will be if we play that system, got some news for those two amateurs ..........have a look at the league position.
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As you point out. JRS and CBT are your typical pacey step over merchants. A lot of promise, but they are the archetypal inconsistent front players who over the course of a season will get in lots of good positions and not have the next level up to make good on those positions. The tweets from the Barnsley fans and the general, ‘oh, if we could just take our chances’, really mean very little, because we never do. Sooner rather than later you realise it’s that lack of quality, rather than clinging to the hope it will all come good and we’ll put 5 past someone.
We know Stockley is turning into the proverbial lead balloon, and Aneke is about as reliable as a South Eastern’s trains running on time. Leaburn is way too inexperienced to run the line and take the flak for those two.
In summary, it’s a complete disaster and the team and squad imo are pretty crap once again. They won’t turn it around and there’s no point in thinking, if we could just take our chances, we’ve played better quality opposition, etc etc. We are not good enough and we have all the makings of a team that can finish no higher than 12th, if that
Thank God we have twinkle toes Rak-Sakyi in the team to give us some WOW moments.
What I find so annoying is CBT being so selfish attempting a worldy EVERY time. He doesn't even see unmarked players in the penalty box e.g. 0.39 mins in the Highlight video. This happens over and over and over again. There is no 'I' in team. Surely coaching should sort this out?
It's clear he needs to play RCB. But Lavelle and Innis will be just as clunky on the left. Add in a right back playing left back....what great bloody planning by the club.
He has one good game in four - if that.
How many more chances ( under how many more managers )will he get ?.
When we go away games we tend to drink with the locals.
Before the game yesterday a few of them thought me and me mate were mad.
We got asked how do we think we will do this season? My reply was fuck all no chance of us making top 6.
Next what's the result going to be today?
My reply 3 -0 Barnsley.
If you've got a spare 2000 pounds stick it on Barnsley.
They thought I was having them on.
Was then asked what you come up here for then?
Well it's not for the football.
A few of these teams weve played away you could tell after not long they were the better team , but I dont think we are that bad.
Barnsley, Bolton Sheffield Wednesday are going to be up and around the play offs this season.
I dont want a lot , just to be around the play offs.
I'm not even sure if we had spent 1 million quid we would of made the play offs but we wouldn't of been far off.
For me we might aswell move onto the 23/24 season and if we are not going to invest next season under Thomas the 24/25 season.
I know its not my money but a 1 million pounds would of made a huge difference to this season.
Is it a lot of money when the running of the club is costing £8 million a year?
Anyway roll on the 24/25 season.
If he dont though is he not just better off handling the keys over for a pound?
Rather than losing 8 mill a year.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/four-takeaways-from-charltons-3-1-defeat-at-barnsley-woeful-defending-coupled-with-poor-finishing-is-a-recipe-for-disaster/
I was at Wycombe & behind the goal to the left. 2nd half I had a good view of O'Connell and his shortcomings. Not his fault he was playing on the left but my god, the amount of times he was on trouble as he either had to get the ball on his right foot or try to clear it with his left.....neither of which was pretty.
How on earth a professional football club can go into a season without at least 1 left footed defender is mindboogling. Look at some of the left backs we've had over the years - Reid,Powell, Konch, Purrington.....not to mention recent left footed defenders in Sarr & Pearce.
Aa for our attacking players. I've said it so many times I'm not going to repeat myself. Just find any of my posts in the "where are the goals going to come from" or "we need a striker" threads to see my thoughts on our lack of composure & shot shy forward line.
We all saw this coming months ago. The chickens are now roosting snugly in the barn & the horses are 3 fields away whilst the stable door is creaking in the wind.
It's going to be a long tough season.
Colbey Bishop cost £500k
MacKirdy is playing in Scotland
Jephcott is on loan at Swindon
We are an established mid league 1 table team who will need 5 years to even get back to the Championship. That's sounds really pessimistic this morning but what a difference six games makes since we sunk Plymouth and HMS Piss the League set sail; my contribution was I hope we had enough Lifeboats even after the 5-1 win !
10 matches into this season and it's clear to sea we have hit the rocks. Captain Sandgaard is making sure the rock band plays on despite our black box radar being faulty.
The Pirate Southall is enjoying the distress and the sharks are circling. We press ganged some crew from the seaport of Swindon and other back waters where some are out of their depth and others are round a about the 1st team.
We are all at sea and awash with gloom as the ebb and flow will keep us in the deep end ; if chief engineer Garner can't get the engines and Sailors to work, Captain Sandgaard can wave goodbye as he encounters Poseidon; who can blow Cafc out of the water.
Salty Sam's Sunday Soapbox.
I'm not saying he will, but I don't personally believe it's beyond all realms to consider that he might