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Post-Match Thread: Barnsley vs Charlton Athletic | Saturday 24th September 2022 - 3pm
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Yeah, if Garner was to go, what manager would be prepared to risk any reputation. Older manager at the end of his career maybe. Pretty depressing. No ambition for the club under current regime. Not sure where we go from here. Mid table League 1 at best.BigDiddy said:Any suggestions on what manager/coach [mad enough to come to us] might get more out of our squad?
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Just on the train back. Thought we played some nice football for the first hour without ever looking like scoring and looked like conceding every time they attacked. Really concerning that we looked completely done after their second goal……
First time I’ve thought this but I’m starting to question Garner’s choices for the following reasons:We’ve got a striker who scored 20 goals last season completely stranded up front in his own against two big lumps every week.We’ve got a young lad floundering on the bench who has scored four goals already this season.We’ve got two of the paciest, trickiest wingers in League One in Rak-Saki and CBL.We’ve got very good attacking full backs in Sessegnon and Egbo.We’ve got a great defensive midfielder in Dobson.It’s easy to blame Sandgard for a lot of things and, whilst I’m very unhappy with the ticketing arrangements and the sacking of long term staff, I don’t think he’s to blame for the team’s shortcomings at the moment. I don’t want anything too drastic after such a short time but we are in danger of heading down another formation that doesn’t work rabbit hole a la Robinson and Jackson…10 -
next 2 up v Oxford then Lincoln .. on paper two games we 'should' win .. as we all know, (all together now) ..BigDiddy said:
Next game is crucial - if we play as pathetic again, it will all kick offLincsaddick said:give Garner 2 more games, if he persists with 4 3 3, a system designed for multi million pound players who have bags of pace and skill, if we don't get 6 points from the next two games. then, i m o he should be sacked ..
it seems to me his heart is no longer in the job, possibly a sulk in not getting some (much needed) fresh blood in the 'window' or even a decent freelancer, perhaps he realises he is not up to the job, whatever .. wholesale substitutions once more indicate to me that he has no idea who he wants to start and/or how to change a game. AND I was full of hope pre-season that we had brought in a shrewd and clever young manager.
However Sandy is really the one to blame for the current situation, a lack of investment, appointing a relation to an important semi managerial role, a role he is not qualified for .. Sandy can surely see that 4 3 3 hasn't worked, has he told Garner to change, has he even queried Garner's (i m o) dreadful team selections and tactics ?
The team looks disinterested and rudderless. I don't advocate dirty play, but today away from home against decent opposition we had no yellow cards, a lack of intent, of determination ? .. we are in danger as many others fear, of relegation .. we wouldn't be the first 'big club' to end up in the fourth, even fifth tier .. I hope I am proved wrong and my club can at least get organised and give it a right go .. as ever .. we will see !!
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With good reason I argue, he will go - to be the scapegoat for TS, if not for his failing tactics.Croydon said:
Only one person saying it but he's typed it about 14 times on this thread alreadyLeuth said:Sack Garner? Some of you are insane. He needs time. Sacking him would just keep us on the same stupid cycle we've been on for ages
I have also argued we need to go after TS who is the root cause of all this.
I hope it is all turned around but we have been in gradual decline for years and this is the next phase of that decline.
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Ryan Inniss has to play next week, as despite his occasional moments of madness, he's the best defender we have, and that's what we need at the moment.
Indeed a back 4 of Egbo Inniss Pearce Purrington would have been far more effective than what we put out today. Egbo having the freedom to bomb forward, Purrington supporting the left winger, and the 2 CBs doing the defensive basics, and organising things at the back.0 -
no words. I am so so tired of supporting this club.0
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To me the whole level of the squad/manager has dropped since the end of the transfer window. It's like they know we wont score enough goals to win many matches, confidence has gone.11
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Yes we don't have the players for a possession based 433 but I can't see any formation working with this squad. We have one completely useless centre forward who will be just as useless in a front 2 as in the second half as he can no longer win the ball in the air nor can he shoot at goal. Only other forwards are a teenager who whilst showing promise needs careful management and a crock who can't play for more than 20 minutes when fully fit which he hasn't been all season.
Oh and we can't defend either!0 -
I assume any remaining doubters now accept there is no way we will make the playoffs this season.1
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Not too convinced TS would respond to protests in any way, tbh.1
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Just arrived home after a cold and disappointing trip to a chilly Oakwell. Got what we deserved basically. That’s not to say there weren’t some positives. CBT, Clare, Rak - Sakyi and Egbo all look decent enough. The problem is we carry absolutely no goal threat whatsoever. Central midfield I thought were second to the ball, bullied and didn’t stamp any authority on proceedings. Probably out on a limb here but I also think our centre backs look wooden and mechanical. We used all five subs and yet Stockley remained on the pitch. I can guarantee that we ain’t going anywhere this season. We’re bloody average.10
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It's becoming clear we have some absolutely awful centre backs.3
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BigDiddy said:
What ??soapboxsam said:First half we played some decent football with shocking finishing where a poor Barnsley supporter up in row Z had to be taken to hospital after being hit with the ball 4 times. As the chubby guy was being carried away on a stretcher he asked if he could watch from inside the goal Charlton were attacking as it was the safest place.
20 points from JJ's first 10 games feels like the glory days now.
11 points from Ben Garner's first 10 games and the harsh reality of trying to get blood from a stone is there for all to see. If you are poor in both penalty areas you will lose football matches.
The first goal conceded was similar to Clare's goal against Plymouth but the other two goals were rank poor defending.
Long season ahead where we are in danger of imploding and Ben Garner looks vulnerable with the natives restless.
We were terrible throughout.
Wasted chances, no midfield, dodgy defence.
Albie strolling out like he thinks he is Xavi, Stockley looks like Woody out of Toy Story [and plays like him] and the defence was always once step from a cock-up.
Did you watch the first half ?
Our finishing was terrible but there was good passes to set up the chances. We hear you loud and clear big Diddy and we all know we are in a bad place.
Most of what I thought has come to fruition but I'm still gutted as I wanted to be wrong.
10 games is a marker and we are struggling in a results business.0 -
Shooting Blanks!guinnessaddick said:
With no happy ending.soapy_jones said:
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Definitely a weakness in our squad - all are slow and not comfortable on the ball (ok O'Connell can bring it out and do the odd cross field ball) and all seem to go to sleep at key moments.Stonewallpenalty19 said:It's becoming clear we have some absolutely awful centre backs.2 -
CAFC is a third tier club which needs at least Championship sized investment and funding to keep it going .. London is 'overclubbed', Brentford was fortunate to find a very wealthy owner prepared to properly invest in a smallish club and to have the patience to see his investment come to fruition.BigDiddy said:
With good reason I argue, he will go - to be the scapegoat for TS, if not for his failing tactics.Croydon said:
Only one person saying it but he's typed it about 14 times on this thread alreadyLeuth said:Sack Garner? Some of you are insane. He needs time. Sacking him would just keep us on the same stupid cycle we've been on for ages
I have also argued we need to go after TS who is the root cause of all this.
I hope it is all turned around but we have been in gradual decline for years and this is the next phase of that decline.
I hope I am wrong
As you say, our decline has been gradual and we have to compete with other VERY wealthy London clubs for fans, sponsorship, players, and all the necessary resources needed for success .. alas, we have become the London corner shop in competition with a Tesco superstore, excused the unwieldy comparison ..
However, IF Accrington, Wycombe, Shrewsbury, Fleetwood, Exeter, Rotherham, Hull to name several can compete and survive, then CAFC can do the same, given an owner who knows the game, is a shrewd investor and has the ability to appoint good management who then have the ability to sign good players and a workable playing system .. this COULD happen, BUT it needs to happen soon2 -
He scored 21 goals last season!!!!!East Kent Addick said:Yes we don't have the players for a possession based 433 but I can't see any formation working with this squad. We have one completely useless centre forward who will be just as useless in a front 2 as in the second half as he can no longer win the ball in the air nor can he shoot at goal. Only other forwards are a teenager who whilst showing promise needs careful management and a crock who can't play for more than 20 minutes when fully fit which he hasn't been all season.
Oh and we can't defend either!3 -
We needed two forwards and a CB. I would have settled for one of each. What is frustrating is we are not that far off but we might as well be a million miles away. And not being able to score for toffee puts more pressure on the defence.0
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Thoroughly dispiriting afternoon. Can't ever recall a game where neither keeper actually saved a shot.
You don't stand a chance if you can't shoot, and i think a canny opposition coach can see while our wide men can cause a panic, they don't often hurt us. Meanwhile our defence is there for the taking....2 -
13 league goals. The other 7 were against non league or U23 sidesHandG said:
He scored 21 goals last season!!!!!East Kent Addick said:Yes we don't have the players for a possession based 433 but I can't see any formation working with this squad. We have one completely useless centre forward who will be just as useless in a front 2 as in the second half as he can no longer win the ball in the air nor can he shoot at goal. Only other forwards are a teenager who whilst showing promise needs careful management and a crock who can't play for more than 20 minutes when fully fit which he hasn't been all season.
Oh and we can't defend either!
Stockley has gone backwards this season too. I don't know why, but he's not the dominant force in the air any more, and without the "headmaster" side of his game working, he carries very little threat.10 -
I'll wear the Internet out saying it, we are such a shitshow defensively and in possession at the back. The defence have the ball, they crab it back and forth gently creating a void between them and the midfield, who realise whats happening too late, the ball goes back to the keeper who has to whack it long where there is not a massive gap between whatever sacrificial lamb has been put up top vs 2 sometimes 3 centre halves and the midfield. That or we simply run out of ways to go sideways and give possession away helpfully about 25 yards from our goal.
Still brainless in the final third, wingers and attacking midfielders thrashing and snatching at deliveries into the box and forwards not being aware of how easy they are to catch offside because of ponderous forward balls from the midfield
Hope all the nutty fans who got the pleasure of seeing that in the flesh get home safe and in decent time
Garner and this squad need to sort their shit out and do the fucking basics right10 -
It's all Curbs fault. He made our dreams come true and built a stadium too big for us to survive on a shoestring, break even budget in Div 3.9
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Yep, the defence would be massively helped by having midfielders and forwards who could press in any way, but the standard of the centre backs is extremely poor and I’d say the full backs are ok at best. Maybe Egbo and Sessegnon when both fully fit will change thatStonewallpenalty19 said:It's becoming clear we have some absolutely awful centre backs.1 -
Agree with most of this, BUTRodneyCharltonTrotta said:2 wins in 10 and 16th in League One just above the relegation zone.
We kidded ourselves our team/ squad is an improvement on last year. It’s not. Or Garner is not as good a manager as Jackson.
An owner insisting on a style of play but not investing in the players to deliver it. We’ve signed a bunch of cheap and lower league players and it shows. You get what you pay for (or don’t in our case).
Feel sorry for the manager and the players as neither are good enough to overcome the set up to fail framework Sandgaard has put in place.
The sooner he sells up to someone who has the nous to get football people in to run the club and/or can back up words with actions the better. Heading to the lower leagues on and off the pitch under his stewardship. He’s clueless and it shows and we’re only going in one direction under him.
Grim.
We all knew we were undercooked at the start of the season
We all knew we needed at least one left footed left back
We all knew we needed at least one more striker....and if only 1 then someone experienced in League 1
So the blame lays squarely at Sandgaard's door.
At the start of the season I was pleased how we were playing & bought in to Garnerball. Thought it was refreshing & it wasn't all passing backwards & sideways- there was an end product and Plymouth at home showed what you could do when the team clicked.
But Garner hasn't been supported in the transfer market & ultimately you get what you pay for. League 2 & bottom half League 1 freebies. The players already here werent good enough last season so no surprise that they aren't good enough this. Only players that will score anything like what is needed are Fraser, CBT, JRS & Payne. Leaburn has (pleasantly) surprised me but throwing in a 19 year old who has never played a league game before this season & expecting him to fire us to promotion is just fantasy land.
I'm seriously thinking about returning my season ticket. Partly because Golfie Jnr is working at the club on Saturday afternoons now & also sitting on my own watching this useless lot is just too much.
2 years ago we were told by the new owner that he was aiming for the Premier League in 5 years & we were going to blow League 1 out of the water. He talks more bilge than Liz Truss & Kwasi Kwartang put together and if he has no ambition then I have no time for him or his club.
Gaaaaah
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A start would be to work out who will never score more than one or two a season in key positions and give up on them. Morgan would be first on my list.6
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Another very worrying performance. Some good approach play in the first half but we were always going to pay for our utterly dismal finishing. I’ve rarely seen a professional football team snatch at so many opportunities. What the hell do these guys do at Sparrow’s Lane all week ?The defending in the second half was nothing short of atrocious and the 5 substitutions just served to exacerbate an already desperate situation, although Payne looked lively in his cameo. All Barnsley had to do was to be reasonably competent to win at a canter.
Rak-Sakyi played very well, although the way things are going, there must be a good chance that Palace will find him a new berth in January. Egbo also looked decent, save for blasting our best chance over the bar towards the end of the first half.
The pressure is building and I’m not sure where we go from here.8 -
And your point is what? That we’ll get points for what he did last season? What has he done this season, tell me that?HandG said:
He scored 21 goals last season!!!!!East Kent Addick said:Yes we don't have the players for a possession based 433 but I can't see any formation working with this squad. We have one completely useless centre forward who will be just as useless in a front 2 as in the second half as he can no longer win the ball in the air nor can he shoot at goal. Only other forwards are a teenager who whilst showing promise needs careful management and a crock who can't play for more than 20 minutes when fully fit which he hasn't been all season.
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Not suggesting that Sandguaard should overspend to the degree others like Wednesday appear to have done (again), but if we are the 4th biggest spenders I'd love to see our wage bill against theirs.3
