I wouldn't have been able to resist if I was a tennis player at Wimbledon, a few 100 mile an hour serves in their general direction, would have got them off the court pretty sharpish.
So what’s the plan if they rock up at the valley next season?
I’m sure a lot of us agree with their cause so they are really preaching to the converted. By closing roads, protesting and spoiling people’s enjoyment at Lords and Wimbledon they are just alienating those who have sympathy for them.
Sorry, @golfaddick but the reason you don't like it, is because you're just a grumpy bugger and it inconveniences you and others.
It's a very important issue and fair play to them for bringing to everyone's attention, otherwise most of us would die, not necessarily from global warming but apathy and sheer laziness to do anything about the problems of our world today!
I was saying to my kids yesterday that the the BBC have been showing a lot of stuff on the dinosaurs recently.
They were on this planet millions of years ago. Millions. And they are all now extinct. Yet life goes on. If we all die out the planet will regenerate after a number of years & start all over again. But we wont all die out. And the planet will carry on as before. Maybe a bit more water & a bit less land. But then millions of years ago that was also the case & over time the seas retreated a bit & land was reclaimed.
It's the circle of life. I'll be dead in 30 years....40 at the most. My timespan on this planet is just a grain of sand......or, keeping to the point, a drop in the ocean.
We now have a thread discussing this. Replicate that across forums across the country. Objective achieved.
Yeah but most people aren't supportive of the way they protest. The majority seem to be against them. Them throwing orange powder at Lords won't stop me putting petrol in my car the next time I have to.
It’s a shame as their message is extremely important and one that everyone should be aware of, and if they can, do their bit to support, educate and work together on. However, their execution is too aggressive in that they alienate people and don’t help foster relations between those that don’t understand/ignore the magnitude of climate change, and those of us that really worry about it
Hottest day on record globally y’day and we’ve all got to work together. I know a lot of tackling climate change is out of our hands due to the complexity of carbon output, political collaboration and business, but for me, their actions push people further down a rabbit hole of not caring, if they weren’t that bothered in the first place.
They will say they need to take drastic action, but short sabotaging refineries, coal plants and doing damage to oil and gas infrastructure, their actions aren’t changing anything. I’m not advocating they do destroy such infrastructure, just pointing out that what they’re doing isn’t working in the short, medium or long term.
As an aside, the people that get triggered by them standing in the road and take it into their own hands to move them are also cringe. Unless you’ve got an emergency, then I don’t understand how you feel you’ve got the right to pick someone else up and physically move them. The scene when one of them was on a tube in East London a few years back and got pulled off and fell to the ground and all the commuters started laying into him, disgusting. Some people think that because they’re generally perceived as a nuisance, they have carte blanche to rough them up.
I wouldn't have been able to resist if I was a tennis player at Wimbledon, a few 100 mile an hour serves in their general direction, would have got them off the court pretty sharpish.
So what’s the plan if they rock up at the valley next season?
If they rock up at the Valley they must have been reading that investment prospectus boasting of our 600k prospective fan base. 😂
why don't they just fuck off to India or China where pollution is at it's worst ??
66% of the UK population was exposed to air pollution levels above WHO guidelines in 2017. That’s much higher than the States, higher than Spain, Portugal, Scandinavia and Australia to name a few (Our World in Data).
The UK is 16th globally, fourth highest in Europe (2021) in the use of fossil fuels, which is the main focus of Just Stop Oil.
Just Stop Oil doesn’t just campaign in the UK either, they have groups all over Europe, USA, Australia and New Zealand according to their website.
Again, I have no real opinion either way on their protests but important to get the facts right if you’re going to debate them.
Ignoring the rights and wrongs of their protests, it’s interesting the comparison with football fans. I’m pretty law abiding. Never been questioned. Never been looked at. Never even been pulled over on 40+ years of driving. But…. at football I’ve been corallaled countless times, forced onto trains going to destinations I don’t want to go to, verbally and physically abused and even forcibly ejected. All because of WHERE I am, not WHO I am. Surely that is some kind of prejudice?
Sorry, @golfaddick but the reason you don't like it, is because you're just a grumpy bugger and it inconveniences you and others.
It's a very important issue and fair play to them for bringing to everyone's attention, otherwise most of us would die, not necessarily from global warming but apathy and sheer laziness to do anything about the problems of our world today!
I was saying to my kids yesterday that the the BBC have been showing a lot of stuff on the dinosaurs recently.
They were on this planet millions of years ago. Millions. And they are all now extinct. Yet life goes on. If we all die out the planet will regenerate after a number of years & start all over again. But we wont all die out. And the planet will carry on as before. Maybe a bit more water & a bit less land. But then millions of years ago that was also the case & over time the seas retreated a bit & land was reclaimed.
It's the circle of life. I'll be dead in 30 years....40 at the most. My timespan on this planet is just a grain of sand......or, keeping to the point, a drop in the ocean.
Genuine question. Why was it ok for us to disrupt sporting events at the CARD protests but not for just stop oil at the cricket and Wimbledon? I don’t have an answer.
We now have a thread discussing this. Replicate that across forums across the country. Objective achieved.
Yeah but most people aren't supportive of the way they protest. The majority seem to be against them. Them throwing orange powder at Lords won't stop me putting petrol in my car the next time I have to.
It won't stop them putting petrol in their own cars either but they won't tell you that.
We now have a thread discussing this. Replicate that across forums across the country. Objective achieved.
Yeah but most people aren't supportive of the way they protest. The majority seem to be against them. Them throwing orange powder at Lords won't stop me putting petrol in my car the next time I have to.
It's about getting publicity to keep it in the headlines. They couldn't care less about annoying people. How many will change their minds about climate change and deny it because of their actions. None. I don't like their tactics when emergency services are hampered, but I fully get why they're doing it.
Genuine question. Why was it ok for us to disrupt sporting events at the CARD protests but not for just stop oil at the cricket and Wimbledon? I don’t have an answer.
this may be a slight sideways step of that question because I genuinely don't have an answer to that either - but that isn't really the thing I'm mad about - it's the standing in the road bit that I find reprehensible - stopping people going to funerals of loved ones, getting hospital treatment etc. if they have decided to pivot away from that to just sporting events or concerts then that is different for me - a 15 minute delay or whatever to a sporting event ain't going to kill anyone even if it is a bit annoying.
Trouble is we all know they will be back out on the roads messing with peoples ACTUAL lives as soon as there's a lull in sporting events to disrupt.
Whatever people think of them, they won't stop and climate protests are here for good. Prepare for the level of disruption to increase. The British Open Golf's up next.
Aggressively inconveniencing decent ordinary people. There is a lot of chatter about Just Stop Oil's right of protest but what about the right of ordinary people to go about their business?
Aggressively inconveniencing decent ordinary people. There is a lot of chatter about Just Stop Oil's right of protest but what about the right of ordinary people to go about their business?
Whatever people think of them, they won't stop and climate protests are here for good. Prepare for the level of disruption to increase. The British Open Golf's up next.
That wasn't you being dragged off court 16 today was it...🤔
Aggressively inconveniencing decent ordinary people. There is a lot of chatter about Just Stop Oil's right of protest but what about the right of ordinary people to go about their business?
Whatever people think of them, they won't stop and climate protests are here for good. Prepare for the level of disruption to increase. The British Open Golf's up next.
That’ll be the most entertaining golf has ever been.
Genuine question. Why was it ok for us to disrupt sporting events at the CARD protests but not for just stop oil at the cricket and Wimbledon? I don’t have an answer.
this may be a slight sideways step of that question because I genuinely don't have an answer to that either - but that isn't really the thing I'm mad about - it's the standing in the road bit that I find reprehensible - stopping people going to funerals of loved ones, getting hospital treatment etc. if they have decided to pivot away from that to just sporting events or concerts then that is different for me - a 15 minute delay or whatever to a sporting event ain't going to kill anyone even if it is a bit annoying.
Trouble is we all know they will be back out on the roads messing with peoples ACTUAL lives as soon as there's a lull in sporting events to disrupt.
FYI they are still out on the roads every day. Today they were in knightsbridge blocking the road and I think outside the shell building on southbank.
Aggressively inconveniencing decent ordinary people. There is a lot of chatter about Just Stop Oil's right of protest but what about the right of ordinary people to go about their business?
Aggressive?
It is an act of aggression to block roads. Also to damage or attempt to damage sporting venues.
Whatever people think of them, they won't stop and climate protests are here for good. Prepare for the level of disruption to increase. The British Open Golf's up next.
That wasn't you being dragged off court 16 today was it...🤔
No doubt similar grumbles were made about abolitionists, suffragettes, and the civil rights movement, to name but a few world changing movements. All those people started out on the fringes of popular public opinion but now are all seen as firmly on the right side of history. Protest, which by necessity has to include some element of nuisance to other people to get noticed, has always been a crucial and powerful tool in social change.
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So what’s the plan if they rock up at the valley next season?
They were on this planet millions of years ago. Millions. And they are all now extinct. Yet life goes on. If we all die out the planet will regenerate after a number of years & start all over again. But we wont all die out. And the planet will carry on as before. Maybe a bit more water & a bit less land. But then millions of years ago that was also the case & over time the seas retreated a bit & land was reclaimed.
It's the circle of life. I'll be dead in 30 years....40 at the most. My timespan on this planet is just a grain of sand......or, keeping to the point, a drop in the ocean.
The UK is 16th globally, fourth highest in Europe (2021) in the use of fossil fuels, which is the main focus of Just Stop Oil.
Just Stop Oil doesn’t just campaign in the UK either, they have groups all over Europe, USA, Australia and New Zealand according to their website.
Trouble is we all know they will be back out on the roads messing with peoples ACTUAL lives as soon as there's a lull in sporting events to disrupt.
Aggressively inconveniencing decent ordinary people. There is a lot of chatter about Just Stop Oil's right of protest but what about the right of ordinary people to go about their business?
Im sure they will be back out there tomorrow too.
Certainly not peaceful protest in my view.