I thought the new owners would give "their man" a bit more leeway but I was wrong. I wasn't sure about DH at first but he quickly grew on me.
But like others, I was perpexed by his team selection on Saturday. I looked like a Papa John's Trophy lineup. I'd like to know the background behind this but it might ultimately have cost him his job.
Don't back manager in transfer window > leave them 4 or 5 players short at the start of the season and stuck with a number of flops from previous regimes > sack manager when results don't come > new manager bounce > results gradually revert to mean
And repeat. Fucking 4 years in a row basically.
Shit show of a club. Are we the first club to sack a manager this season? Never thought we were that type of club. Always been the more patient kind.
Don't back manager in transfer window > leave them 4 or 5 players short at the start of the season and stuck with a number of flops from previous regimes > sack manager when results don't come > new manager bounce > results gradually revert to mean
And repeat. Fucking 4 years in a row basically.
Shit show of a club. Are we the first club to sack a manager this season? Never thought we were that type of club. Always been the more patient kind.
Wolves had to replace their Manager just before the season started
Whatever way you twist it, sacking a manager only 5 games into the season is showing how shambolic aid the club is run from the very top.
It's marginally better than sacking a manager just after the window has closed (which would have been after the Fleetwood game), but still dreadful, especially as still have so much transfer business to do this week, and a new manager will have different opinions about the current squad, and transfer priorities. That can't be left ENTIRELY to Scott.
As said mate, I think they are completely separate. The manager in our set up has very little say on signings, and sadly I suspect as a result of that we’ll be signing the type of player who don’t overly care who the manager is or what his philosophy is.
The club is in freefall. Does it really matter who the next manager is going to be? Until we get proper serious owners with a realistic strategy to move us forward this will happen every few months. It amazes me that people still turn up at the valley. We are all being taken for mugs. Life is short. Find something else to do that is more fun and enjoyable than following this circus year in year out.
Can never understand sackin a manager without their replacement already lined up, snd having to use a caretaker manager
Unless there was a fall out last night?
My guess is there’s been a fall out brewing for some time. No manager would be happy going into a season as unsupported as Holden was., given the circumstances.
My hunch is him and Scott have been at loggerheads all summer and there’s been an undercurrent over the last few weeks and inevitably about all this.
Whatever way you twist it, sacking a manager only 5 games into the season is showing how shambolic aid the club is run from the very top.
It's marginally better than sacking a manager just after the window has closed (which would have been after the Fleetwood game), but still dreadful, especially as still have so much transfer business to do this week, and a new manager will have different opinions about the current squad, and transfer priorities. That can't be left ENTIRELY to Scott.
As said mate, I think they are completely separate. The manager in our set up has very little say on signings, and sadly I suspect as a result of that we’ll be signing the type of player who don’t overly care who the manager is or what his philosophy is.
Exactly this. As if any new man who comes in is going to have any say whatsoever on new signings. It will just be another John who’ll get the sack in 8 months.
Holden will have been hired on false pretences He extended his contract on false pretences He realised all of this and Saturday, if he already knew, was his FU moment Tactically naieve, yes Sold a complete pup. Most definitely.
Not sure a decent manager will want to come in a be so demonstrably Andy Scott’s (who?) junior
Andy Scott appointed Steve Cooper at Swansea. The fans may not like Scott because he’s connected with Methvan, but he seems to be well respected within the game.
Very brave call .. suppose they could not take a chance of it continuing and it shows they won’t stand for failure … DJ been unlucky with injured major players and key decisions going against us in the last 3 games could have easily been 4 wins .. but was he a promotion manager ??
we now have a leader in charge whether he will get a chance not sure but already Powell and Bowyer linked no thanks …
Americans by nature don't do failure backers first big call for them and Rodwell to make ..
We give the bloke a handful of free signings kids who are not up to the job (yes there’s promise and some stuff they produce is decent but over 90 not enough). You can’t polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter
Or you give him Taylor, one of the highest rated young players in the division, and he can't find a spot for him. You give him Edun coming down from the Champ, and he plays him in central midfield. You give him CBT and he makes him a wingback. You give him Alfie May and he has his teams play two touch and lump it. You give him Camara and the team bypasses the midfield by playing it long.
This is not a perfect squad, but it's the best one we've had for a while, it just looks like shit because Holden hasn't found a way to play to their strengths.
Ok Taylor nobody had ever mentioned him but suddenly he’s meant to be great, Edun good but shattered after an hour hence the rovers defeat, camara injured so he can’t change Saturday plus injured in the lead up to rovers defeat but couldn’t change. It’s not the best squad in a while it’s full of kids learning the trade not ready for week In week out and half fit players it’s a shambles.
In 2009 when we dropped into the 3rd tier for the 1st time in my (proper) supporting lifetime I went to every game (home & away) as I thought it would a 1 season wonder.
Next season I'm looking forward to going to every game in League 2.
Very brave call .. suppose they could not take a chance of it continuing and it shows they won’t stand for failure … DJ been unlucky with injured major players and key decisions going against us in the last 3 games could have easily been 4 wins .. but was he a promotion manager ??
we now have a leader in charge whether he will get a chance not sure but already Powell and Bowyer linked no thanks …
Americans by nature don't do failure backers first big call for them and Rodwell to make ..
DJ ??? No wonder we’ve lost 5 in all comps if he’s been picking the team 😏
Quite the split of opinion on this one. Personally think the squad is a bit shit, but not shit enough to be in the position we’re in. Unfortunate timing with the window closing this week. Gonna be an interesting week
Very brave call .. suppose they could not take a chance of it continuing and it shows they won’t stand for failure … DJ been unlucky with injured major players and key decisions going against us in the last 3 games could have easily been 4 wins .. but was he a promotion manager ??
we now have a leader in charge whether he will get a chance not sure but already Powell and Bowyer linked no thanks …
Americans by nature don't do failure backers first big call for them and Rodwell to make ..
They should quit themselves then after their poor handling of the transfer window. If they had any integrityat least.
Quite the split of opinion on this one. Personally think the squad is a bit shit, but not shit enough to be in the position we’re in. Unfortunate timing with the window closing this week. Gonna be an interesting week
I hope they already know they want and he’s in next working day!
So, that's a couple of defenders, a creative midfielder and an accomplished target man up front. Now let me think, there's something missing... Oh yeah! A coach with coaching staff, all in two days.
As soon as Methven's name was mentioned in this group I thought it was bad news and would be a continuation of the same clown show decisions of Sandgaard's reign.
Many have already said the obvious that changing the manager every minute isn't the solution, it's just a shame those in charge never seem to see that.
Was Holden the new messiah? Probably not but now we'll never know. We could have Pep in and it wouldn't make a difference if the manager is not backed and given time.
The real issue is that we are stuck in a murder death suicide pact with a rotating group of charlatans and incompetents who continue to drag our club through the mud. Until we get a serious ownership group in it doesn't matter who the manager is, we'll continue to rot.
Holden was a strange appointment, which seemed to come from nowhere. Looking back at the last few appointments, most made some sort of sense at the time, even if they then failed.
Slade - safe pair of hands in L1 Robinson - done well at MKD, good with young players Bowyer - already at the club, did very well as caretaker, "one of our own" Adkins - slightly random appointment, came out of nowhere Jacko - already at the club, did very well as caretaker, club legend Garner - suited the style of football the owner wanted, and was even allowed to bring in an entire coaching team Holden - slightly random appointment, friends with the gang of 4?
I feel sorry for Holden. It's not been great, but he's not been supported. Getting shot of him at such ridiculously short notice looks like madness. I feel sorry for the coaches. TBH, I don't think they were much cop. But it looks like they've been victims of the Peter Principle. I hope that they get new jobs soon and that we get better quality replacements. Do you know who I feel most sorry for, though? Me* ...and you, and anyone else who supports Charlton Athletic. Unless they have a new manager lined up who already has new players lined up, we're going to be stuck with someone who'll face exactly the same problems that Holden did and they won't be able to do anything about it until the new year. What a joke this club is. I'm sick of it.
Holden's done pretty well in his so far unsuccessful career as a manager. Comes in for a few months here and there gets the sack and a nice little pay off.
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But like others, I was perpexed by his team selection on Saturday. I looked like a Papa John's Trophy lineup. I'd like to know the background behind this but it might ultimately have cost him his job.
And repeat. Fucking 4 years in a row basically.
Shit show of a club. Are we the first club to sack a manager this season? Never thought we were that type of club. Always been the more patient kind.
Unless there was a fall out last night?
Does it really matter who the next manager is going to be?
Until we get proper serious owners with a realistic strategy to move us forward this will happen every few months. It amazes me that people still turn up at the valley. We are all being taken for mugs. Life is short. Find something else to do that is more fun and enjoyable than following this circus year in year out.
He extended his contract on false pretences
He realised all of this and Saturday, if he already knew, was his FU moment
Tactically naieve, yes
Sold a complete pup. Most definitely.
Terrible manager.... 100% had to go.
we now have a leader in charge whether he will get a chance not sure but already Powell and Bowyer linked no thanks …
Americans by nature don't do failure backers first big call for them and Rodwell to make ..
Next season I'm looking forward to going to every game in League 2.
Simples.
As soon as Methven's name was mentioned in this group I thought it was bad news and would be a continuation of the same clown show decisions of Sandgaard's reign.
Many have already said the obvious that changing the manager every minute isn't the solution, it's just a shame those in charge never seem to see that.
Was Holden the new messiah? Probably not but now we'll never know. We could have Pep in and it wouldn't make a difference if the manager is not backed and given time.
The real issue is that we are stuck in a murder death suicide pact with a rotating group of charlatans and incompetents who continue to drag our club through the mud. Until we get a serious ownership group in it doesn't matter who the manager is, we'll continue to rot.
Slade - safe pair of hands in L1
Robinson - done well at MKD, good with young players
Bowyer - already at the club, did very well as caretaker, "one of our own"
Adkins - slightly random appointment, came out of nowhere
Jacko - already at the club, did very well as caretaker, club legend
Garner - suited the style of football the owner wanted, and was even allowed to bring in an entire coaching team
Holden - slightly random appointment, friends with the gang of 4?
I feel sorry for the coaches. TBH, I don't think they were much cop. But it looks like they've been victims of the Peter Principle. I hope that they get new jobs soon and that we get better quality replacements.
Do you know who I feel most sorry for, though? Me* ...and you, and anyone else who supports Charlton Athletic. Unless they have a new manager lined up who already has new players lined up, we're going to be stuck with someone who'll face exactly the same problems that Holden did and they won't be able to do anything about it until the new year. What a joke this club is. I'm sick of it.
*Joke pinched form Johnny Vegas