Holden sacked?! (Ed. Yes - Confirmed)

ValleyOfTears

All this perennial rubbish "we are doomed we need at least 5 new players". 

We could be in the playoffs NOW with just the players we've got. It's not quantum physics. They are athletes. With good skills. And proven at this level. Andy Scott will prove this by buying noone until January. Wish you well William Holden. 

Croydon

Tell you what, that visit to The Oak has got him some staunch support for what was overall a pretty poor footballing period.

bertpalmer

for now just appoint curbishley please !!! 

se9addick

ValleyOfTears said:

All this perennial rubbish "we are doomed we need at least 5 new players". 

We could be in the playoffs NOW with just the players we've got. It's not quantum physics. They are athletes. With good skills. And proven at this level. Andy Scott will prove this by buying noone until January. Wish you well William Holden. 

I really don’t think that’s true.

CH4RLTON

Im going to throw a very unpopular name in to the hat, Andy Woodman lives local, knows the club, I reckon would ruffle a few feathers

Wheresmeticket

SELR_addicks said:

RonnieMoore said:

DA9 said:

Oh Eddie Youds... said:

Lewis Coaches said:

Raith_C_Chattonell said:

Who would've done the sacking exactly - how does it work with all the board members, Methwen etc?

Would have thought one of SMT by phone. 

Wouldn’t be the first time someone sacked by a phone call,little s/&ts.

Charlie has distanced himself from the sacking in this article…which seems to suggest that it was Andy Scott’s call:

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/dean-holden-dismissed-by-charlton-athletic-with-backroom-departures-too/

The quote is from the takeover, not tonight 

Very brave call .. suppose they could not take a chance of it continuing  and it shows they won’t stand for failure … DJ been unlucky with injured major players and key decisions going against us in the last 3 games could have easily been 4 wins .. but was he a promotion manager ?? 

we now have a leader in charge whether he will get a chance not sure but already Powell and Bowyer linked no thanks … 

Americans by nature don't do failure backers first big call for them and Rodwell  to make .. 
  

They should quit themselves then after their poor handling of the transfer window. If they had any integrityat least. 

Oh christ don't feed it.

North Lower Neil

Think it was during the close season when people were talking about Holden that I said that I thought Adkins, Jackson, Garner, Holden are all alright managers, not spectacular, not awful.

But the problem isn't the managers, sacking the manager and bringing a new one in is just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

Until a manager is properly backed, with good finances and a leadership above him when a genuine plan to improve the club, we'll go on with an endless cycle of new managers and lower midtable finishes.

I'm sick of it.

JonT_Abs

Another manager fired after playing 5 at the back with shit CBs and no wing backs

..i look forward to the next manager explaining CBT is still "still learning the wingback role" 

Davo55

What a bloody circus we’ve become. I wonder how many good managers will take one look and then give us a swerve. We’ll be on to the second page of the shortlist before that particular poor bastard is unlucky enough to land the job. 

oohaahmortimer

I’m all in and want Lee Johnson 

purely on the basis that as a set of fans , there can be none more clueless , every fuckwit owner , player , manager that comes through the door is the greatest thing in the world and we’ve been a crock of shite for a long time now 

Rob

Maybe the new owners do have a serious strategy and could see that Holden was out of his depth and didn’t have a clue. To me, this is a positive. Let’s move forward and build with someone who knows what they’re doing. I know he was appointed by them but at least they’ve realised he was out of his depth and have acted quickly. We had reached a new level of incompetence with him in charge and it was getting worse. 

I think the new appointment will show us about the new owners. We need someone who has a proven track record. They tried for the cheap option and that didn’t work. Hopefully they’ve learned from that. Only time will tell though but, for now, I see this as a positive. 

Maybe I have rose tinted specs but I feel we were only going in one direction under Holden. 

And that wasn’t up. 

carly burn

Wow. Been out all day and just seen this. Really surprised  Obviously we needed shot of Holden, but that never always stacks up with a weak ownership
Maybe Methven isn't calling the shots after all?
Whether those that are, are competent enough to make a decent appointment remains to be seen.
Let's see

Off_it

AFKABartram said:

Gribbo said:

Can never understand sackin a manager without their replacement already lined up, snd having to use a caretaker manager

Unless there was a fall out last night?

My guess is there’s been a fall out brewing for some time. No manager would be happy going into a season as unsupported as Holden was., given the circumstances. 

My hunch is him and Scott have been at loggerheads all summer and there’s been an undercurrent over the last few weeks and inevitably about all this. 

We have a winner here, would be my take.

Covered End

DaisyEdwards said:

The club is in freefall. 
Does it really matter who the next manager is going to be?
Until we get proper serious owners with a realistic strategy to move us forward this will happen every few months. It amazes me that people still turn up at the valley. We are all being taken for mugs. Life is short. Find something else to do that is more fun and enjoyable than following this circus year in year out.

Please don't come on a Charlton fan site and tell me not to support my club.
NB take your own advice & don't post on here.

SouthLondonisRed

Are we Watford in disguise? 

carly burn

cantersaddick said:

Don't back manager in transfer window > leave them 4 or 5 players short at the start of the season and stuck with a number of flops from previous regimes > sack manager when results don't come > new manager bounce > results gradually revert to mean

And repeat. Fucking 4 years in a row basically.

Shit show of a club. Are we the first club to sack a manager this season? Never thought we were that type of club. Always been the more patient kind.

Holden was never going to be up to it.
Nice bloke and all that, but this was too big for him unfortunately.

Covered End

golfaddick said:

In 2009 when we dropped into the 3rd tier for the 1st time in my (proper) supporting lifetime I went to every game (home & away) as I thought it would a 1 season wonder.

Next season I'm looking forward to going to every game in League 2. 

How so, when you're not going to every game this season?

SheedyCAFC

CH4RLTON said:

Im going to throw a very unpopular name in to the hat, Andy Woodman lives local, knows the club, I reckon would ruffle a few feathers

Can’t see it personally, Bromley to Charlton would be a bit of a step down for him

carly burn

AFKABartram said:

Gribbo said:

Can never understand sackin a manager without their replacement already lined up, snd having to use a caretaker manager

Unless there was a fall out last night?

My guess is there’s been a fall out brewing for some time. No manager would be happy going into a season as unsupported as Holden was., given the circumstances. 

My hunch is him and Scott have been at loggerheads all summer and there’s been an undercurrent over the last few weeks and inevitably about all this. 

  Can't see it myself.
Holden was very much a 'Do as your told ' type.
He was lucky to be given the gig in the first place, and he knew it.
Really can't see him rocking the boat much.

LargeAddick

Yes the squad has issues to be addressed but no way with the players available should we have lost five on the spin. I liked Dean as a person but I just don’t think he cuts it as a manager. Saturday was a clusterfuck from the time the team was selected, gawd knows what he was thinking of. I think the right decision has been made. I just hope there is a plan in place to get us out of this mess.

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Rob said:

Maybe the new owners do have a serious strategy and could see that Holden was out of his depth and didn’t have a clue. To me, this is a positive. Let’s move forward and build with someone who knows what they’re doing. I know he was appointed by them but at least they’ve realised he was out of his depth and have acted quickly. We had reached a new level of incompetence with him in charge and it was getting worse. 

I think the new appointment will show us about the new owners. We need someone who has a proven track record. They tried for the cheap option and that didn’t work. Hopefully they’ve learned from that. Only time will tell though but, for now, I see this as a positive. 

Maybe I have rose tinted specs but I feel we were only going in one direction under Holden. 

And that wasn’t up. 

Duchatelet had a flawed strategy & fired manager after manager. Firing Holden as blame doesn’t mean that Methven has any less flaws in his plan. If there is no significant investment or change in the strategy then the next manager will likely struggle as well & the one after that.

Methhven likely spun a line about how easy promotion from League 1 was & that it could be done on a shoe string. That’s going to be found out very quickly. 

thewolfboy

Sorry to see Holden go. He has been desperately unlucky this season with results and injuries. We should have beaten Brizzle and Vale and probably would have done with Leaburn back in the team. Whoever is daft enough to take on the head coach job will need a ton of luck, that's for sure. Gawd help us.

Weegie Addick

Well it’s got us trending if nothing else 🤦🏽‍♀️

Wheresmeticket

Covered End said:

DaisyEdwards said:

The club is in freefall. 
Does it really matter who the next manager is going to be?
Until we get proper serious owners with a realistic strategy to move us forward this will happen every few months. It amazes me that people still turn up at the valley. We are all being taken for mugs. Life is short. Find something else to do that is more fun and enjoyable than following this circus year in year out.

Please don't come on a Charlton fan site and tell me not to support my club.
NB take your own advice & don't post on here.

Literally every comment DE has made on this site is a frothing at the mouth rant. Makes amusing reading. 

Taxi_Lad

The only positive I can glean is that at this rate it’ll soon be my turn in the hot seat 
I’ll show’em!!!!

Callumcafc

It was the right decision. And I’ve usually erred on the side of giving managers time…

Blame the recruitment (or lack of) all you want but the way we were throwing points away was absolutely criminal and only down to the way the manager had the team set up.

Where we go from here, I don’t really know.

LargeAddick

Dean Smith?

Red_Chester

Andrew crofts from Brighton. Just want someone whose worked under a good regime  and even help the walleyes upstairs too 

North Lower Neil

LargeAddick said:

Dean Smith?

Don't think he'd drop to L1.

Genuinely forgot he was at Leicester last season when they went down.

Knew Rodgers left before the end of the season, but not a chance I'd have been able to name who went in after him.