Feel a bit sorry for Danny Senda, he had a decent job in our youth system, got promoted and has now lost his job because of this. In hindsight he'd probably rather have just stayed in charge of the kids.
Of that list only Pearce, it has worked before, and Moore interest me. The others (in my view) come with some form of baggage, be it football ethos or personality traits.
Just feels like another trip on the merry-go-round. Feel completely jaded by it all and wonder if midtable League 1 is all it's going to be now. Can't see the investment needed to fix this squad coming and wonder if no manager will actually affect things more on the transfer front.
Holden seemed like a lovely guy and I wish him all the best for the future but tactically he was found wanting.
Recruitment has not been good enough. That is not on Holden and it didn’t make his job any easier.
However, in my opinion, pre-season was a bit shambolic. Lots of players have started the season looking unfit and unready. Tactically we look a bit all over the place and the team is not well drilled or organized. None of the problems of last season have been fixed, or look close to being fixed and some of the things that were, supposedly, being specifically targeted for improvement have got no better at all. All those things, I think, can be laid at the door of Holden.
I feel for him, though. He’s clearly a very decent, well intentioned chap, who I suspect has been well and truly stitched up but the new regime. However, from day one he seemed to be more about motivation and emotion, which can help get you to success, but without some substance in the form of tactics and player improvement it will ultimately fail when the novelty wears off. When I saw a video of the squad in Spain lying on a beach doing breathing exercises it gave me flash backs to Adkins and looked like the sort of thing that players will put up with when we’re winning but can quickly become something to be mocked and that lose you a dressing room when results turn. Sadly for Holden, we never really started winning.
I’d have liked him to succeed but he’s never convinced me he was likely to.
However, him being sacked raises all sorts of red flags about the new ownership/management of the club. He was “their man” after all and the backing they’ve given him is not even paper thin. What a shitty way to treat a person. And it puts us another step (on top of the inadequate recruitment) down the path to repeating all the same mistakes AGAIN.
I hope Holden finds something fulfilling away from the vipers nest of football. I think he deserves it and his good nature is probably better suited to a less poisonous industry.
Personally, I feel on the verge of giving up on it as well. There’s precious little left to enjoy about Charlton these days and what’s the point of this if you can’t find any enjoyment in it anymore?
Saved me writing what I think as you’ve nailed it.
Really don't know what to say.. Sorry it didn't work out Dean, and wish you all the best wherever you land.. Maybe, just maybe one day this bloody club will become what it used to be, a club to be proud of, a club you felt affiliated to, a club held in high regard for the way it is run...we can only live in hope...🤞
Recruitment has not been good enough. That is not on Holden and it didn’t make his job any easier.
However, in my opinion, pre-season was a bit shambolic. Lots of players have started the season looking unfit and unready. Tactically we look a bit all over the place and the team is not well drilled or organized. None of the problems of last season have been fixed, or look close to being fixed and some of the things that were, supposedly, being specifically targeted for improvement have got no better at all. All those things, I think, can be laid at the door of Holden.
I feel for him, though. He’s clearly a very decent, well intentioned chap, who I suspect has been well and truly stitched up but the new regime. However, from day one he seemed to be more about motivation and emotion, which can help get you to success, but without some substance in the form of tactics and player improvement it will ultimately fail when the novelty wears off. When I saw a video of the squad in Spain lying on a beach doing breathing exercises it gave me flash backs to Adkins and looked like the sort of thing that players will put up with when we’re winning but can quickly become something to be mocked and that lose you a dressing room when results turn. Sadly for Holden, we never really started winning.
I’d have liked him to succeed but he’s never convinced me he was likely to.
However, him being sacked raises all sorts of red flags about the new ownership/management of the club. He was “their man” after all and the backing they’ve given him is not even paper thin. What a shitty way to treat a person. And it puts us another step (on top of the inadequate recruitment) down the path to repeating all the same mistakes AGAIN.
I hope Holden finds something fulfilling away from the vipers nest of football. I think he deserves it and his good nature is probably better suited to a less poisonous industry.
Personally, I feel on the verge of giving up on it as well. There’s precious little left to enjoy about Charlton these days and what’s the point of this if you can’t find any enjoyment in it anymore?
Agree with all of your post but this part got me thinking.
What on earth happened to the side that played Millwall off the park for 45 minutes at the Den? I was really confident after that, feeling we'd be heading into the season flying and would have a good year.
I don't know how they went so quickly from that, to where we are now.
I just want a no nonsense manager that says it how it is and will organise us into something that resembles a football team. FYI I thought Holden was this guy but I was clearly wrong.
I'm not putting these results on the new owners for two reasons:
1) Fitness. That is 100% down to the coaching team. If we sign a un-fit Lloyd Jones on 30th June by 30th August he should be fit!
2) Organisation. Again 100% down to the coaching team. To chop and change personal and formation so much within the first month of the season just shows me he didn't know his best team or formation.
To see we had a bad window is nonsense. Yes we need more but I'm telling you now as much as I don't like him if you gave Steve Evans this group of players we would be around the top 8 at the moment. The basics of football are fundamentally simple. No nonsense at the back with a couple of big fellas, have some energy in midfield who can put a tackle in and get the ball to the guy who knows where the goal is!
We are 4/5 with Skybet to finish in the top half. Do I go for it or not?
I’ll give you the benefit of my experience over the last 65 years. Never bet on Charlton because unlike Steve Brown, they will nearly always let you down 😏.
I feel for Dean. I think he got dealt a bad hand and hasn't got the support he needed with key players out. Has he made mistakes, almost certainly, he is human and trying to chart his way around the problems of not having key players in key positions and I think he would have got there but now we will never know. A critic may say he lacked pragmatism in that the players available should dictate the system you play, whatever it is, and it may be a fair point. It is hard to legislate for kamikase mistakes and Dean probably thought we had enough to still play the way we did. So did I. The instability may make it harder to bring the players in we need, including Premier League loans.
I just want a no nonsense manager that says it how it is and will organise us into something that resembles a football team. FYI I thought Holden was this guy but I was clearly wrong.
I'm not putting these results on the new owners for two reasons:
1) Fitness. That is 100% down to the coaching team. If we sign a un-fit Lloyd Jones on 30th June by 30th August he should be fit!
2) Organisation. Again 100% down to the coaching team. To chop and change personal and formation so much within the first month of the season just shows me he didn't know his best team or formation.
To see we had a bad window is nonsense. Yes we need more but I'm telling you now as much as I don't like him if you gave Steve Evans this group of players we would be around the top 8 at the moment. The basics of football are fundamentally simple. No nonsense at the back with a couple of big fellas, have some energy in midfield who can put a tackle in and get the ball to the guy who knows where the goal is!
We also have better players than some of the teams who are beating us. Fair enough Peterborough and Oxford are ok sides, but we shouldn't be getting turned over by Bristol rovers (1 win this season - against us), Port vale (1 away win since January - against us) and Newport (league 2).
Again, that isn't on the owners, it's how the team is set up to play. Shambolic at the back, and conceding late goals in almost every game.
Even the one game we did win, we made hard work of. Looked tired in the last 10-15 minutes and i felt Orient looked the more likely to score late on. As you say, that is down to fitness levels and not the owners.
The club is in freefall. Does it really matter who the next manager is going to be? Until we get proper serious owners with a realistic strategy to move us forward this will happen every few months. It amazes me that people still turn up at the valley. We are all being taken for mugs. Life is short. Find something else to do that is more fun and enjoyable than following this circus year in year out.
Please don't come on a Charlton fan site and tell me not to support my club. NB take your own advice & don't post on here.
The club is in freefall. Does it really matter who the next manager is going to be? Until we get proper serious owners with a realistic strategy to move us forward this will happen every few months. It amazes me that people still turn up at the valley. We are all being taken for mugs. Life is short. Find something else to do that is more fun and enjoyable than following this circus year in year out.
Please don't come on a Charlton fan site and tell me not to support my club. NB take your own advice & don't post on here.
I liked Holden when he first came in - thought his pragmatic approach more suitable to league one football than that of Garner's.
However, team selection on Saturday was bizarre and the last minute 'sucker blows' in the last two games far too much to bear. I always thought the first call on a struggling team was to build a solid defence, it alas, seems to be the last priority at Charlton - not helped by the lack of recruitment - to which Dean was hardly accountable. I assume the technical director was instrumental in Dean's sacking - hope he has something up his sleeve, but not entirely sure about him either.
We might as well give Pearce a proper shot at it IMO. He knows the players at this key time so doesn't need to get up to speed and if it isn't working it will be easy to move him back to where he was. I think he is passionate and intelligent and could make a good manager.
We criticise him over playing Asiimwe but we sold or let go of three players who could play in that position and haven't replaced them. One of them quite recently.
I just want a no nonsense manager that says it how it is and will organise us into something that resembles a football team. FYI I thought Holden was this guy but I was clearly wrong.
I'm not putting these results on the new owners for two reasons:
1) Fitness. That is 100% down to the coaching team. If we sign a un-fit Lloyd Jones on 30th June by 30th August he should be fit!
2) Organisation. Again 100% down to the coaching team. To chop and change personal and formation so much within the first month of the season just shows me he didn't know his best team or formation.
To see we had a bad window is nonsense. Yes we need more but I'm telling you now as much as I don't like him if you gave Steve Evans this group of players we would be around the top 8 at the moment. The basics of football are fundamentally simple. No nonsense at the back with a couple of big fellas, have some energy in midfield who can put a tackle in and get the ball to the guy who knows where the goal is!
We also have better players than some of the teams who are beating us. Fair enough Peterborough and Oxford are ok sides, but we shouldn't be getting turned over by Bristol rovers (1 win this season - against us), Port vale (1 away win since January - against us) and Newport (league 2).
Again, that isn't on the owners, it's how the team is set up to play. Shambolic at the back, and conceding late goals in almost every game.
Even the one game we did win, we made hard work of. Looked tired in the last 10-15 minutes and i felt Orient looked the more likely to score late on. As you say, that is down to fitness levels and not the owners.
In 4 of the 6 games we've conceded goals in the last ten minutes. This is down to fitness and mentality. The second goal we conceded against Oxford was absolutely criminal Sunday league stuff and that instruction to push everyone up would of come from the bench.
I'm just hoping Pearce gets to work on the defence and we keep a clean sheet against Fleetwood. At least it will be something to build on
Holden certainly had an uphill struggle when it comes to dealing with the Powers That Be. He's also been somewhat unlucky to lose not only the number of players he has but also that they have mostly been ones integral to his desired style.
On the other hand, the way to deal with having one hand tied behind your back is not to glue the fingers of your other hand together and put on a blindfold. He doesn't appear to have done himself any favours and has played a poor hand very badly.
The problem is, any manager good enough and competent enough to deal with the ownership issues is probably also smart enough and in enough demand that they won't bother. Certainly if we really are operating on a shoestring budget.
Do we have to keep going over the same old crap … CM had no say in this he not making them decisions .. this come from high down to Andy Scott and Rodwell … New manager will be decided by Andy Scott and Peter Storrie who is still at the club till Friday
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Holden seemed like a lovely guy and I wish him all the best for the future but tactically he was found wanting.
Sorry it didn't work out Dean, and wish you all the best wherever you land..
Maybe, just maybe one day this bloody club will become what it used to be, a club to be proud of, a club you felt affiliated to, a club held in high regard for the way it is run...we can only live in hope...🤞
What on earth happened to the side that played Millwall off the park for 45 minutes at the Den? I was really confident after that, feeling we'd be heading into the season flying and would have a good year.
I don't know how they went so quickly from that, to where we are now.
Why was Dean appointed in the first place?
Is Andy Scott going to be the new manager?
Is the mandate from above to play 1/2 team of kids in the first team squad every week going forward?
Will we bring in a defensive coach who can deal with defending and attacking set pieces?
Will we bring in a conditioning coach, to stop our players running out of steam physically and mentally after 70 minutes?
Does Methven realise how despised Lee Johnson is by Charlton fans, and that by appointing him it would
really set the fans against him.
Will Chris Powell be in the directors box on Saturday?
I'm not putting these results on the new owners for two reasons:
1) Fitness. That is 100% down to the coaching team. If we sign a un-fit Lloyd Jones on 30th June by 30th August he should be fit!
2) Organisation. Again 100% down to the coaching team. To chop and change personal and formation so much within the first month of the season just shows me he didn't know his best team or formation.
To see we had a bad window is nonsense. Yes we need more but I'm telling you now as much as I don't like him if you gave Steve Evans this group of players we would be around the top 8 at the moment. The basics of football are fundamentally simple. No nonsense at the back with a couple of big fellas, have some energy in midfield who can put a tackle in and get the ball to the guy who knows where the goal is!
This is a major relief. Was very worried he'd be the obvious move having just become available and obviously Methven links.
Again, that isn't on the owners, it's how the team is set up to play. Shambolic at the back, and conceding late goals in almost every game.
Even the one game we did win, we made hard work of. Looked tired in the last 10-15 minutes and i felt Orient looked the more likely to score late on. As you say, that is down to fitness levels and not the owners.
Good luck to both as they will need it.
Sacking Holden will not be enough. You now need to get a good manager, invest properly in the squad and act as if you know what you are doing.
Otherwise the club will lose fans.
However, team selection on Saturday was bizarre and the last minute 'sucker blows' in the last two games far too much to bear. I always thought the first call on a struggling team was to build a solid defence, it alas, seems to be the last priority at Charlton - not helped by the lack of recruitment - to which Dean was hardly accountable. I assume the technical director was instrumental in Dean's sacking - hope he has something up his sleeve, but not entirely sure about him either.
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I'm just hoping Pearce gets to work on the defence and we keep a clean sheet against Fleetwood. At least it will be something to build on
He might win a game or two and then the two year contract comes out only for it to be another waste of time.
I'm hoping there's a plan. Please tell me there's a plan.
Please
On the other hand, the way to deal with having one hand tied behind your back is not to glue the fingers of your other hand together and put on a blindfold. He doesn't appear to have done himself any favours and has played a poor hand very badly.
The problem is, any manager good enough and competent enough to deal with the ownership issues is probably also smart enough and in enough demand that they won't bother. Certainly if we really are operating on a shoestring budget.