Residents Parking Expansion for SE7 - UPDATE PAGE 3

sam3110

swords_alive said:

This is good if only because it challenges the few remaining dinosaurs, those who take for granted their car and think they have some god given right to use it, to consider other, better options. Once the issues are addressed and representations made, we should have less congested and polluting streets in this part of Greenwich at least.

And I mean this in the nicest possible way, but fuck off. I have family that live out in the sticks and the car journey to football is 90 mins. On public transport it's near 3 hours. 

What do they do? Oh it doesn't matter because they're dinosaurs who think they have a God given right to leave their homes

Elthamaddick

Not being able to park anywhere within a sensible walking distance would severely impact my decision making when it comes to actually bothering to go 

RedArmySE7

Elthamaddick said:

Not being able to park anywhere within a sensible walking distance would severely impact my decision making when it comes to actually bothering to go 

Absolutely this.

cafcdave123

Elthamaddick said:

Not being able to park anywhere within a sensible walking distance would severely impact my decision making when it comes to actually bothering to go 

do you still live in eltham?

InspectorSands

Briston_Addick said:

AFKABartram said:

Quite simply this will make matchday parking borderline impossible. Like it or not we have a support that is largely not local and many in advanced years who rely solely on driving. This is catastrophic for the club imo and a huge great noise needs to be made about this.

I can’t believe the Club have either not been in consultation about it or not made any noise

As I mentioned on Page 1, driving is my only realistic option of getting myself and grandson to home games. Public transport is a no-no from where we live.

At this rate unless the club relocates to Norfolk I can't see myself going in future seasons because trains/buses are too expensive (especially when compared to the less than half a tank of fuel it takes me to drive to The Valley and back) and I'll have nowhere to park within a reasonable walking distance of the ground.

But even if the rail fare from Norfolk is too much (and a Network Railcard will get you 1/3rd off from Kings Lynn) you could park up somewhere inside Greater London and come in by tube/bus?

In some ways you're in a better position than fans from Kent who have to rely on Southeastern... 

golfaddick

swords_alive said:

This is good if only because it challenges the few remaining dinosaurs, those who take for granted their car and think they have some god given right to use it, to consider other, better options. Once the issues are addressed and representations made, we should have less congested and polluting streets in this part of Greenwich at least.

I drive a car as it takes me from A to B in a manor & time (traffic permitting) that is convenient to me. I have just moved so I don't know how long the bus journey from here will take but its 2 buses and I expect over an hour.

From where I used to live (Swanley) I could be home by 6pm on a Saturday. By bus is was closer to 7.30pm (161 to Eltham & then 233). Only good thing about getting the bus is bus lanes. 

The invention of the motor car was evolutionary and freed up millions of people to travel to places they could only dream of before. Just because the petrol engine kills the planet, and diesel engines kills people, does not mean you have to eradicate cars and car travel. In 20 years time the electric car will be mainstream and hopefully car pollution will be a thing of the past (until some smart cookie will be telling us electric batteries are harmful). 

Briston_Addick

sam3110 said:

swords_alive said:

This is good if only because it challenges the few remaining dinosaurs, those who take for granted their car and think they have some god given right to use it, to consider other, better options. Once the issues are addressed and representations made, we should have less congested and polluting streets in this part of Greenwich at least.

And I mean this in the nicest possible way, but fuck off. I have family that live out in the sticks and the car journey to football is 90 mins. On public transport it's near 3 hours. 

What do they do? Oh it doesn't matter because they're dinosaurs who think they have a God given right to leave their homes

^^^ This ^^^

With knobs on.

My current journey time to football ranges from 3½ - 4½ hours, depending on traffic, and I have to leave home by 10am to try and get a parking spot.

If I want to use public transport (train or coach) to get to football I still have to drive around 30 miles to pick that up in the first place. How does that fit into the incredibly small-minded and selfish world of those who moan about "dinosaurs taking their car for granted"?

In these parts you get around by car, tractor or horse (and you don't see too many horses on the roads these days) or you don't get out at all.

swords_alive

sam3110 said:

swords_alive said:

This is good if only because it challenges the few remaining dinosaurs, those who take for granted their car and think they have some god given right to use it, to consider other, better options. Once the issues are addressed and representations made, we should have less congested and polluting streets in this part of Greenwich at least.

And I mean this in the nicest possible way, but fuck off. I have family that live out in the sticks and the car journey to football is 90 mins. On public transport it's near 3 hours. 

What do they do? Oh it doesn't matter because they're dinosaurs who think they have a God given right to leave their homes

If they've thought about their transport options then job done already, no?

swords_alive

Briston_Addick said:

sam3110 said:

swords_alive said:

This is good if only because it challenges the few remaining dinosaurs, those who take for granted their car and think they have some god given right to use it, to consider other, better options. Once the issues are addressed and representations made, we should have less congested and polluting streets in this part of Greenwich at least.

And I mean this in the nicest possible way, but fuck off. I have family that live out in the sticks and the car journey to football is 90 mins. On public transport it's near 3 hours. 

What do they do? Oh it doesn't matter because they're dinosaurs who think they have a God given right to leave their homes

^^^ This ^^^

With knobs on.

My current journey time to football ranges from 3½ - 4½ hours, depending on traffic, and I have to leave home by 10am to try and get a parking spot.

If I want to use public transport (train or coach) to get to football I still have to drive around 30 miles to pick that up in the first place. How does that fit into the incredibly small-minded and selfish world of those who moan about "dinosaurs taking their car for granted"?

In these parts you get around by car, tractor or horse (and you don't see too many horses on the roads these days) or you don't get out at all.

So you've also thought about all options. Wouldn't fault you for that myself, fwiw! - though I'd be interested in your response to inspectorsands query above.

Briston_Addick

InspectorSands said:

Briston_Addick said:

AFKABartram said:

Quite simply this will make matchday parking borderline impossible. Like it or not we have a support that is largely not local and many in advanced years who rely solely on driving. This is catastrophic for the club imo and a huge great noise needs to be made about this.

I can’t believe the Club have either not been in consultation about it or not made any noise

As I mentioned on Page 1, driving is my only realistic option of getting myself and grandson to home games. Public transport is a no-no from where we live.

At this rate unless the club relocates to Norfolk I can't see myself going in future seasons because trains/buses are too expensive (especially when compared to the less than half a tank of fuel it takes me to drive to The Valley and back) and I'll have nowhere to park within a reasonable walking distance of the ground.

But even if the rail fare from Norfolk is too much (and a Network Railcard will get you 1/3rd off from Kings Lynn) you could park up somewhere inside Greater London and come in by tube/bus?

In some ways you're in a better position than fans from Kent who have to rely on Southeastern... 

There comes a time when the arse-ache involved in getting to the ground far outweighs any possible pleasure/duty of actually being there.

O-Randy-Hunt

swords_alive said:

This is good if only because it challenges the few remaining dinosaurs, those who take for granted their car and think they have some god given right to use it, to consider other, better options. Once the issues are addressed and representations made, we should have less congested and polluting streets in this part of Greenwich at least.

Calm down Greta.

Covered End

swords_alive said:

This is good if only because it challenges the few remaining dinosaurs, those who take for granted their car and think they have some god given right to use it, to consider other, better options. Once the issues are addressed and representations made, we should have less congested and polluting streets in this part of Greenwich at least.

So you want Charlton to go out of business then? Proper weird comment even by your anti car comments. 

shirty5

If the council wish to make this proposal then the  club and the trust should be on their case asking why they need to be this awkward. 

However if this does go through then people who drive to the games need to start planning ahead on the nearest parking with bus routes from the ground to take the less able back to their cars.

Public transport is much better in the local area compared to 20/30 years ago. Jubilee and Elizabeth Lines. DLR. 

If you want to go The Valley you can find a way around this scheme. Just need to think of another way from your normal routine 

Covered End

Park up somewere else in Greater London and clog up their roads instead.
You know it makes sense. 

InspectorSands

Briston_Addick said:

There comes a time when the arse-ache involved in getting to the ground far outweighs any possible pleasure/duty of actually being there.

Granted, we all have our levels of comfort, but if you're coming in on the M11, is, say, coming off at Redbridge, taking two quick Tube journeys and 15 minutes on the bus any less than a pain in the arse than the Blackwall Tunnel, Greenwich traffic and trying to find a parking spot?

Bedsaddick

sam3110 said:

swords_alive said:

This is good if only because it challenges the few remaining dinosaurs, those who take for granted their car and think they have some god given right to use it, to consider other, better options. Once the issues are addressed and representations made, we should have less congested and polluting streets in this part of Greenwich at least.

And I mean this in the nicest possible way, but fuck off. I have family that live out in the sticks and the car journey to football is 90 mins. On public transport it's near 3 hours. 

What do they do? Oh it doesn't matter because they're dinosaurs who think they have a God given right to leave their homes

Well said. 

Solidgone

Move to Charlton or within walking distance to the ground and all these issues are solved 🤓

cafcdave123

or get one of the players to pick you up on the way in

Bedsaddick

This will have a massive impact on the club . I won't drive anymore now and i can't trust the trains so sadly me and my sons will become armchair supporters . I can't believe the club isn't kicking up a shit storm about this. 

Bedsaddick

swords_alive said:

This is good if only because it challenges the few remaining dinosaurs, those who take for granted their car and think they have some god given right to use it, to consider other, better options. Once the issues are addressed and representations made, we should have less congested and polluting streets in this part of Greenwich at least.

I'd give you a lol but that's not remotely funny. You obviously want the club to suffer with those comments. There is nothing stopping the restriction being lifted for match days . The Earth won't crash and burn if they let us park there for three or four hours a couple of times a month. 

BartramBlitz

I travelled on the loop line from Crayford to the Valley until SouthEastern stopped it.  I now drive and park by The Barrier. Is the Eastmoor Street area in the Zone?   If it is they have need to bring back the Loop trains to allow fans access to the ground.

Bedsaddick

Briston_Addick said:

InspectorSands said:

Briston_Addick said:

AFKABartram said:

Quite simply this will make matchday parking borderline impossible. Like it or not we have a support that is largely not local and many in advanced years who rely solely on driving. This is catastrophic for the club imo and a huge great noise needs to be made about this.

I can’t believe the Club have either not been in consultation about it or not made any noise

As I mentioned on Page 1, driving is my only realistic option of getting myself and grandson to home games. Public transport is a no-no from where we live.

At this rate unless the club relocates to Norfolk I can't see myself going in future seasons because trains/buses are too expensive (especially when compared to the less than half a tank of fuel it takes me to drive to The Valley and back) and I'll have nowhere to park within a reasonable walking distance of the ground.

But even if the rail fare from Norfolk is too much (and a Network Railcard will get you 1/3rd off from Kings Lynn) you could park up somewhere inside Greater London and come in by tube/bus?

In some ways you're in a better position than fans from Kent who have to rely on Southeastern... 

There comes a time when the arse-ache involved in getting to the ground far outweighs any possible pleasure/duty of actually being there.

Exactly my thoughts

cafcdave123

BartramBlitz said:

I travelled on the loop line from Crayford to the Valley until SouthEastern stopped it.  I now drive and park by The Barrier. Is the Eastmoor Street area in the Zone?   If it is they have need to bring back the Loop trains to allow fans access to the ground.

southeastern were looking for a higher class of passenger, it loops on the Bexleyheath line now.

Bedsaddick

InspectorSands said:

Briston_Addick said:

There comes a time when the arse-ache involved in getting to the ground far outweighs any possible pleasure/duty of actually being there.

Granted, we all have our levels of comfort, but if you're coming in on the M11, is, say, coming off at Redbridge, taking two quick Tube journeys and 15 minutes on the bus any less than a pain in the arse than the Blackwall Tunnel, Greenwich traffic and trying to find a parking spot?

There is no way i'm getting in my car then find a parking space just inside London. Then get on two tubes and on top of that ,  get on a bloody bus. Of course it's more of a pain in that arse than driving straight there . Or were you being sarcastic ?

southamptonaddick

cafcdave123 said:

BartramBlitz said:

I travelled on the loop line from Crayford to the Valley until SouthEastern stopped it.  I now drive and park by The Barrier. Is the Eastmoor Street area in the Zone?   If it is they have need to bring back the Loop trains to allow fans access to the ground.

southeastern were looking for a higher class of passenger, it loops on the Bexleyheath line now.

Any chance the loop can go via Southampton Central and the fare will be less than £50ish and the pricks won't be on strike. 

Elthamaddick

cafcdave123 said:

Elthamaddick said:

Not being able to park anywhere within a sensible walking distance would severely impact my decision making when it comes to actually bothering to go 

do you still live in eltham?

nope, live in Bexleyheath now....and yes I know that there are buses that go there and a loopy train etc...however I take kids with me, jump in my car and can be there and parked in about 15 mins, we generally arrive early enough and go in Crossbars, to park close enough walking distance to ensure we are home before 5.30 after the game.

I just don't think I'd bother on the bus

BartramBlitz

If they want people to stop using cars they have to provide the alternatives. Cutting people from Sidcup, Bexley, Crayford (obviously the higher class areas of Bexley!) off from the Loop line made no sense when they opened the Elizabeth line. Greenwich council, the government (who run South Eastern) need to do a bit of joined up thinking. This willbe bad news for CAFC building back our crowds.

cafcdave123

Elthamaddick said:

cafcdave123 said:

Elthamaddick said:

Not being able to park anywhere within a sensible walking distance would severely impact my decision making when it comes to actually bothering to go 

do you still live in eltham?

nope, live in Bexleyheath now....and yes I know that there are buses that go there and a loopy train etc...however I take kids with me, jump in my car and can be there and parked in about 15 mins, we generally arrive early enough and go in Crossbars, to park close enough walking distance to ensure we are home before 5.30 after the game.

I just don't think I'd bother on the bus

i was just going to say about the loop train, it takes less that 30 minutes from bexleyheath.

not all trains are on the loop though so getting home for 5:30 might be a bit of an ask

sam3110

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's almost like the local council don't actually want a football club in the area, despite the amount of community work and everything else CAFC does for Charlton, Greenwich and beyond

MartinCAFC

Elthamaddick said:

cafcdave123 said:

Elthamaddick said:

Not being able to park anywhere within a sensible walking distance would severely impact my decision making when it comes to actually bothering to go 

do you still live in eltham?

nope, live in Bexleyheath now....and yes I know that there are buses that go there and a loopy train etc...however I take kids with me, jump in my car and can be there and parked in about 15 mins, we generally arrive early enough and go in Crossbars, to park close enough walking distance to ensure we are home before 5.30 after the game.

I just don't think I'd bother on the bus

Pretty much an identical scenario to myself. Even a loop train is still going to cost more money and take a lot longer to get to/from the ground especially after the game when by the time you'll have waited to have got on the train you could have driven it home. Midweeks and games with poor weather would also put people off going on public transport.

Busses an option yes but no chance of getting home by 5.30.

Longer more expensive inconvenient journeys I guess are going to have to be a change of mindset in future though that may outweigh actually bothering to go to games.