Fans treatment of Thurman

MyLeftFoot said:

Vincent said:

MyLeftFoot said:

paulie8290 said:

No-one was moaning about him when he produced that save at the end, and what a save it was, would of made in 0-1 and we would of lost instead of won

I was, his positioning was diabolical for it, any half decent keeper would have just had to catch it simply. He's a bit eccentric, which if we're doing alright is fine, if we're struggling we can't afford to have him there. Honestly can't remember seeing a keeper who I worry about as much as him

Are you a goalkeeper coach.
Not seen many keepers if you think he is the worse

No but I have seen every keeper we've had since Bob Bolder, name me 1 in that time that's worse? Possibly Amman, but I'd say he was better. That save was right out of the Sylvester Stallone school of goal keeping, what was he doing across the other side of the goal? Whatever happens I want him to do well but he's not as good as what we've already got

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Spring to mind straight away. I'm sure I could come up with a few more as well. Rob Elliot always concerned me as his positioning wasn't great.

With Thuram, he hasn't been playing over in Belgium, therefore he needs to build up match fitness, he also needs to adjust to the speed of the game over here.

Technically I would say that Hamer and Thuram are on a similar level with the edge going slightly to Thuram. Reason being Thuram is better at coming off his line and, I believe, dealing with crosses.

People seem to forget Hamer did not like claiming crosses in his own 6 yard box, set pieces he would leave up to defenders rather than deal with himself.

Thuram punches the ball, this is a common theme for keepers outside of England, we may not like it but you just need to watch Rob Green's performance on Saturday to see that catching the ball isn't necessarily the right technique.

Kicking wise, he is weak but the ball going to the wing was a planned play (watch Jackson go straight to the sideline for each kick), our strikers couldn't win it in the air so we had to adjust.

He's unorthodox but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

With regards to the Hamer chant, I thought that was wrong, hopefully those that started that chant up will do exactly the same thing when Hamer screws up (if he gets back into the team) but I doubt it. Thuram was marked as the scapegoat before he even stepped foot on the pitch.

I don't think he's been that bad, apart from the pass to their centre forward on sat and even then I blame Dervite for the shocking backpass.

Hamer's made far more mistakes

oohaahmortimer said:

people are making their view on what they have seen and even if he does turn into Gordon Banks/Lev Yashins lovechild in the future it wont change the fact he's been jank in his first four games for us

You cannot disagree with that.

He looks like he'd rather take one in the two fruit and veg than he would catch the ball, strange really. The problem it has is the longer he's played the more opponents will pick up on him and target him on the lack of catching, if they are first onto the rebounds they could net for fun. I'd prefer Hamer in goal but if this guy gets some confidence, and a no nonsense approach aka leather the ball out for a throw if in trouble, he'd be ok

Its as if Hamer needs that kick up the arse and competition. It happened last year as well.

I don't think the original post was ever about who is the better keeper, more the unnecessary chanting aimed at someone wearing a Charlton Shirt.

My view is Thuram is probably better than he has shown in his first four games and given time would adapt to the English game but given our current situation we cannot afford to allow him to continue his football education in our first team.

Another point would be given that we currently have 6 loanees ( including Koc ) and putting Dillon Phillips on the bench might allow us room for another loanee in the match day squad.

The 'optics' are important, especially for a goalkeeper (ie. do they look credible, regardless of whether they are credible?).

However I don't think you get to play in the French top division and for the national U21 side unless you have something about you. He just hasn't shown it yet (and arguably hasn't been given much of an opportunity to do so).

At the Wigan game he pulled off some superb blocks and saves. In the first half alone we would have been 3-1 down if not for him.

As for people moaning about him being eccentric, cast your mind back to illic, he used to chase the ball all the way to the corner flag.

Let's not treat Thuram too harshly if he is involved tonight, he's playing for Charlton after all and its not his fault Roland is forcing him upon us.

I don't know about this.... Do we just cheer because they are wearing a Charlton shirt or do we voice our displeasure to try and get our best team playing?

Personally I don't know how to act when I know that our best players might not be allowed to play.... It's a very very strange situation.

What would you do for example if they put Cousins in goal. A player we all love, but the decision would be a ludicrous one, and the only way we would be able to get that across is by making vocal noise, because I get the feeling that when they want to play certain players they will play no matter what.

I just don't understand how we can go against deliberately weak team selections....

Been told Ben is playing

She was in kill bill I think dick

Dennis_inthelastmin said:

Assume now that Thuram will get an extended run in the team - although I hope we continue to play Hamer. I stand by my earlier post that Thuram will cost us points, having already cost us the game at Middlesbrough with what should have been a routine save for a Championship level keeper.

Very unhappy with the above post calling Illic eccentric, a keeper whose introduction to the 1st team in Feb 1998 saw us storm to the Play Offs and The Prem with clean sheet after clean sheet and whose Prem career, as with Mendonca, was cruelly cut short by injury.

I have an uneasy feeling that playing Thuram will come to personify the RD philosophy and illustrate all that we now know to be wrong with the current owners philosophy about moving his "assets" around his collection of clubs

Lets hope Hamer does continue as our number 1 - becuase he is just that. But all those who have defended Thuram so strongly may now get to see an extended run with him in the first team.

How many goals and points has Hamer lost us!!! Shockingly bad himself!!

I haven't defended Thuram but think he should be given a chance rather than being dismissed simply because he comes for one of Roland's teams.