and now in paris

Speechless

Edit - about GHs post not Soapys.

Goonerhater said:

seems a dark day today---probably just the rain and a grey London day.

how do you stop radicalizasion(sic) ? one party threw money at it (£40million)and the other has no idea---both clearly cant/dont work

if only 1 % of muslims in the UK are radicals thats between 20-30,000. Thats a huge amount.

If we agree that one of the basic elements of being "British" is TOLERANCE the thats fine. Where it becomes PANDERING to radical twats because they make a big noise it isnt.

Prayers rooms/moques everywhere as is Halal meat.

No more mosques to be built ---they aint needed as prayers can be done anywhere.
No more prayer rooms--- see above
No more halal counters in the major stores---go buy it at a halal butchers
No more faith schools
No segregation of females /males in classes

Donkeys years we have been told that INCLUSION in UK life etc is the way forward (its the British way).Yet the very same people who have banged on about INCLUSION are the very same people who has let the segregation of the muslim society from the rest of UK society.


Freedom to follow your religion is fine but tolernace should have a limit.

Baby and bath water.

If people want to build mosques or churches or chapels then let them within normal planning rules. If there no demand then they won't get built

Prayers rooms can be used by anyone religious. I don't use them but don't see the problem. It's an empty room.

Halal counters in major stores. They will only sell it as there is a market. It's called free enterprise. What has Halal meat got to do with terrorism anyway? Same as Kosher food or veggie food or gluten free.

All this smacks of attacking Muslims as a whole rather than attacking RADICAL islam. It would actually have the opposite effect as non-radical muslims would feel that they were being attacked and punished for the actions of others.

On the schools and segregation I agree completely but I can see a lot of objections on that coming from Northern Ireland as well as Christians all over the UK

so whats the answer ?

my point is our tolerance is used against us.

Freedom of worship is being used by the radicals to separate their "society" from the rest. They can radicalise people by separating them from the main stream----so its either inclusion into BRITISH society or exclusion by the pandering to every request because it might offend Islam ?

Prayer rooms shouldnt be called "prayer rooms" ---they are "quiet rooms" which can be used by all.

Could my suggestions offend muslims --i m sure they might---but id rather offend 2million than murder one

Goonerhater said:

so whats the answer ?

my point is our tolerance is used against us.

Freedom of worship is being used by the radicals to separate their "society" from the rest. They can radicalise people by separating them from the main stream----so its either inclusion into BRITISH society or exclusion by the pandering to every request because it might offend Islam ?

Prayer rooms shouldnt be called "prayer rooms" ---they are "quiet rooms" which can be used by all.

Could my suggestions offend muslims --i m sure they might---but id rather offend 2million than murder one

If tolerance is used against us you suggest we become intolerant ? I don't want to become what they are. I want to combat terrorism as much as anyone but not at the complete expense of my hard won rights and freedoms.

Goonerhater said:

so whats the answer ?

my point is our tolerance is used against us.

Freedom of worship is being used by the radicals to separate their "society" from the rest. They can radicalise people by separating them from the main stream----so its either inclusion into BRITISH society or exclusion by the pandering to every request because it might offend Islam ?

Prayer rooms shouldnt be called "prayer rooms" ---they are "quiet rooms" which can be used by all.

Could my suggestions offend muslims --i m sure they might---but id rather offend 2million than murder one

Why is the choice between offence or murder? Why not do neither?

Agree on "quiet rooms" but Muslims (and Christians) will still use them for praying. So what difference has that made.

There is a mosque next to the Valley. It doesn't offend me, it does me no harm. Neither does the church at Woolwich Odeon although it's a waste of a wonderful bit of architecture IMO.

Now if they are preaching terrorism or hatred that is wrong but that is nothing to do whether it is down in a converted shop or cinema.

I don't like the views of either religion, I don't like the homophobia and sexism that some muslims and some christians preach but if I say I don't like homophobia or sexism on here there will be a lot of people jumping up and down screaming "PC gone mad" "Banter" "being offended on someone else's behalf" blah blah blah.

Strange that.

so the answer is what ?

understand you dont like my thoughts on the matter(any matter come to that) but i dont see ANY ideas etc being put forward.

Goonerhater said:

so the answer is what ?

understand you dont like my thoughts on the matter(any matter come to that) but i dont see ANY ideas etc being put forward.

Before you get offended because I dare to disagree with you read back and see that I agreed with some of your points and disagreed with others. Freedom of speech I think it is called.

I don't think there are any simple, one line answers to this or most problems.

But just because I don't have an instant solution doesn't mean I have to agree with you badly thought out and counter-productive suggestions. Sorry to offend you.

Complex problems rarely have simple answers.

Goonerhater said:

so the answer is what ?

understand you dont like my thoughts on the matter(any matter come to that) but i dont see ANY ideas etc being put forward.

Well I'm not sure where you get that idea but hey.

To be honest if I had the solutions I wouldn't be sitting here at lunchtime working for the NHS.

what I do know though is that more intolerance, hate, blame, and religion is not the answer.

soapboxsam said:

When i was in my early twenties (a while ago)
i worked with a Hindu guy who Thought the Britsh goverment was crazy for allowing so many
muslims into the country when their views were the polar opposite of the indigenous population.
He painted a picture similar to the IRA threat of the 70's.
i thought he was just bias against Muslims, but the horror stories have unfolded before our eyes here and in Europe.
That why the 99% of decent Muslims must keep condemning the Few,
Or else the silence will be deafening.
Being told about the Enemy within has always resonated with me ever since.

A Hindu not liking a Muslim shocker. Next you'll be telling me Jewish people aren't fond of them either.

WayneK said:

One of the coppers shot was a Muslim.

On another note, one of my mates was working at Stratford tube station last week. Even though there was a queue the ticket office shut so all of them could pray to Mecca. Why is that tolerated?

On another note, one of my Islamic chums was working at Wakefield Bus station last week. Even though there was a queue, the ticket office shut so all of the Yorkshirmen could have a tea break. Why is that tolerated?