Big Sam and the Media ( ed. gone)

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ValleyGary said:

I despise our media

Well, it seems they've been working on this for some time and there's more to come. (On others?)
Sammy boy has a bit of a reputation does he not? I'd say it was legitimate to go after him. Let's face it, it's corrupt behaviour in football which gets to cost us all more money through the turnstiles and TV subscriptions.
We all said "well done" when the media exposed the MPs' expenses scandal. In fact, if memory serves that too was The Telegraph. This seems to me to be no different, it's all pigs with their snouts in the trough.
They deserve what comes their way.
Now, what the FA were thinking appointing this tarnished individual in the first place is another matter. Will they be charging themselves with bringing the game into disrepute I wonder?

cafcfan said:

ValleyGary said:

I despise our media

Well, it seems they've been working on this for some time and there's more to come. (On others?)
Sammy boy has a bit of a reputation does he not? I'd say it was legitimate to go after him. Let's face it, it's corrupt behaviour in football which gets to cost us all more money through the turnstiles and TV subscriptions.
We all said "well done" when the media exposed the MPs' expenses scandal. In fact, if memory serves that too was The Telegraph. This seems to me to be no different, it's all pigs with their snouts in the trough.
They deserve what comes their way.
Now, what the FA were thinking appointing this tarnished individual in the first place is another matter. Will they be charging themselves with bringing the game into disrepute I wonder?

excellent point

I would imagine every club and manager in the premier league know how to negotiate 3rd party ownership so I see it as a bit of non event

killerandflash said:

Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 32m32 minutes ago
Talked to a few FA people tonight. Allardyce is in for a painful inquisition starting properly tomorrow. Touch and go whether he survives.

Ahh excellent I expected Katrien to be taking notes grilling him

dream job for him 3 mill a year so its pure greed.

Swisdom said:

The Red Robin said:

Eddie Howe.

If so wthe FA need to act quickly because I think Arsenal is is destiny

Personally, I would prefer Eddie Howe to go to Arsenal. He deserves a bigger job and I would love to see an English manager at one of the top clubs in the country with a real budget and opportunity to do great things. He would always be on a hiding to nothing as England manager - time for that when he is older, more experienced, and with some trophies under his belt.

Meantime, appoint Steve Bruce. Very much in the Allardyce mould as a manager, but much more integrity.

twiggyaddick said:

killerandflash said:

Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter 32m32 minutes ago
Talked to a few FA people tonight. Allardyce is in for a painful inquisition starting properly tomorrow. Touch and go whether he survives.

Ahh excellent I expected Katrien to be taking notes grilling him

On current form - a girl with her lifetime experience of football - surely her CV is being polished up for the job vacancy?

MuttleyCAFC said:

I'm very disapointed in Big Sam. He should resign.

You almost sound surprised Muttley, football is wrotten to the core with all the money sloshing around, Big Sam is just the next in line to be exposed.

there has always been dodgy shit in football. Yonks ago "semi pro" teams got good players by puting extra money left in their kit.It was even called "boot money"
Even at my level if we signed for a team we got new boots trainers etc.

What about Simonson being paid via a bag of cash on a coach to a game?

Scott Parker being tapped up by Chelsea

The Italian team relegated for cheating (Florentina?)

FIFA ----how cant we expect football not to be be bent when those at the top have been in the trough for decades

Poor journalism in my mind, I'm struggling to actually make out what the allegations are to be entirely honest. All it appears he's done is make an observation with regards to rule breaking in English football, and said he will seek permission from The FA regarding a potential £400k talking deal.

If he gets in trouble and loses his job, I think it would be more likely to do with the comments slamming The FA for wasting money rebuilding Wembley, or making a dig about Gary Neville.. i.e expressing two opinions, after being groomed and most likely given a few drinks.

This quote below, taken from the BBC Article seems to be the crux of the allegations:

During the meeting with the businessmen, who were undercover reporters, it is alleged Allardyce said it was "not a problem" to bypass the rules and he knew of agents who were "doing it all the time".

It is further alleged by the paper that a deal was struck with the England boss worth £400,000 for him to represent the company to Far East investors and to be a keynote speaker at events.

Allardyce tells the undercover reporters any arrangement would have to be cleared by the FA.

Whilst it's not great, I don't actually see a huge problem.

Bypassing rules

I'm sure we all know of rules that "aren't a problem to bypass"; in fact - I'd hazard a guess that we all know people who professionally circumvent rules. It's worth pointing out that Alardyce does admit to prior knowledge of a third party ownership deal: a deal that ended when he bought the player involved for WHU.

Does he offer to break the rules himself? Does he actively offer to provide assistance and/or facilitate breaking the rules? Or does he merely observe the current situation, whereby the rules are often broken?

I know plenty of people who speed when their driving, who partake in recreational drugs etc - "it's not a problem [...] they're doing it all the time". Based upon that, does that make me a druggy that speeds around at 100mph? Of course not, I don't even have a driving license.

Representing a Far-East investment company

He was offered £400,000 to represent a company to Far East investors? Not really a big deal in my mind, this doesn't compromise his integrity and/or ability to do his job. It's not as though he's moonlighting as the manager for another country is it? In fact, Allardyce openly says that any arrangement would have to be ran through the FA.

In my mind, the piece about a £400,000 deal is simply playing on people's (natural) envy. It happens all the time with the press, i.e "so-and-so makes £x by doing after-dinner speaking". More the fool whoever is shelling out that cash; as long as he's able to fulfil his commitments to his full time employer (The FA) and has their permission, then this doesn't really matter.

Swisdom said:

The Red Robin said:

Eddie Howe.

If so wthe FA need to act quickly because I think Arsenal is is destiny

If (as reported) Wenger is leaving at the end of this season and Howe is one of the front runners, then he'd be crazy to take the England job.

Davo55 said:

Swisdom said:

The Red Robin said:

Eddie Howe.

If so wthe FA need to act quickly because I think Arsenal is is destiny

Meantime, appoint Steve Bruce. Very much in the Allardyce mould as a manager, but much more integrity.

Are we basing his integrity on leaving Palace after 25 minutes as manager?