Fleetwood v Charlton 30/09/17 post-match views

East_Stand_Loopy said:

Marvin Sordell at Hillsborough.

See Greenie Junior's arse for details.

Away hat tricks:

Ricky Holmes at Shrewsbury

Ben18 said:

Away hat tricks:

Ricky Holmes at Shrewsbury

Hales at Cardiff.

SDAddick said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Lincsaddick said:

harveys_gardener said:

Do Pearce and Solly get back in if fit? Prefer the exra height myself.

in a word NO .. we need the height that Pearce and Solly lack .. and the pace of Sarr .. and today Sarr's passing from the back was right on the money .. Konsa was impressive in attack and defence ..
the longer the game went on the better Sarr looked .. as with Fosu, this game could be the making of him .. I really hope so ... we will see !

I don’t think on one reasonable performance in League One against a poor Fleetwood I’d be so quick to dismiss Pearce , who imo is only behind Holmes and Magennis in importance .

I think that's fair, yes, and we have a lot of games before he comes back.

But my critiques of Pearce have been pretty consistent. He is great at getting in the way of things. He cannot be bullied. He is a very vocal leader. But the reason he's playing in this division is because he's not quick and he's not good on the ball. And in our system, those weaknesses can really stand out. He'd walk into probably any other side in the division.

The thing that's just about impossible to gauge is his importance as a leader on the pitch. We're not a super vocal team, so having that can be really helpful. But, that said, sometimes when that player is missing it forces others to step up. It felt like BFG had a slightly different air about him today.

I imagine that playing alongside Pearce taught Bauer a lot about organisation and leadership. Indeed it was a show of his progression to make him captain today, rather than Holmes

golfaddick said:

Its not often one of our players get a hat trick, especially away from home - so I was thinking back to who has got one over the years. I might have missed one (or two) but could think of:

Leaburn (at Ipswich)
Mendona (at Norwich)
Hunt (at Stockport and/or Norwich ?)
BWP (at Chesterfield)

and all but Leaburns ended up with us getting promotion. Just saying.......

Lee Martin away at Peterborough I think

Watched on ifollow. Good win, some great individual performances as been noted by many. However, at the risk of sounding like a broken record: our back line sits too deep and therefore we relinquish the midfield by being unable to put pressure on other team's build up, resulting in our defending always looking panicked in and around the box.
Doesn't and won't work against the slightly better teams.
Lets hope there are not too many of them...
But hey, we won !!!

Hunt- Stockport

c4fcdenmark said:

I'm so pleased with Sarr's improvement, sounded like he was immense today. The first network shocker to come good? Well done Thomas Driesen for playing FIFA 16.

Sarr read the game well from a defensive point of view but his passing sometimes is shocking. He booted one at Dasilva from about ten yards away and under hit a few across our back four which were nervous moments. He's an OK backup and played because Solly was out with Konsa on the right. If everyone's fit he's probably not even on the bench.

BR3red said:

Every shirt u see in Beckenham is Palarse - haven't seen one now for about 3 weeks -- hahaha

I live in Yorkshire but every time I'm back in London there's too many of them about for my liking.

SDAddick said:

BR3red said:

SDAddick said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Lincsaddick said:

harveys_gardener said:

Do Pearce and Solly get back in if fit? Prefer the exra height myself.

in a word NO .. we need the height that Pearce and Solly lack .. and the pace of Sarr .. and today Sarr's passing from the back was right on the money .. Konsa was impressive in attack and defence ..
the longer the game went on the better Sarr looked .. as with Fosu, this game could be the making of him .. I really hope so ... we will see !

I don’t think on one reasonable performance in League One against a poor Fleetwood I’d be so quick to dismiss Pearce , who imo is only behind Holmes and Magennis in importance .

I think that's fair, yes, and we have a lot of games before he comes back.

But my critiques of Pearce have been pretty consistent. He is great at getting in the way of things. He cannot be bullied. He is a very vocal leader. But the reason he's playing in this division is because he's not quick and he's not good on the ball. And in our system, those weaknesses can really stand out. He'd walk into probably any other side in the division.

The thing that's just about impossible to gauge is his importance as a leader on the pitch. We're not a super vocal team, so having that can be really helpful. But, that said, sometimes when that player is missing it forces others to step up. It felt like BFG had a slightly different air about him today.

Fair point which brings me on to Solly....

Inspirational is an understatement- after meeting him and his laid back persona, I just have never seen him as a leader,

Jacko was, wasn't there today but BFG just seems right ...

Yeah I was surprised that Solly kept it at the start of the season. I thought Robinson would give it to Pearce (after Jacko, obviously).

Different captains have different styles, and I don't think you need to be a Pearce type to be captain. And I think on his day, that calm, assured presence Solly brings absolutely has its merit. But there are times when it seems like the armband is made of lead for him. That might be coincidental, due to a couple years of up and down form--and to be fair, he's by no means the only one. But I don't think it will hurt him to truly have competition both for his place and for the armband.

But yeah, I'm with you, there was something that just felt right about BFG as skipper. I think he's been very, very good this year, despite our defensive woes. And while he's not the loudest, he seems like a strong competitor and an assured presence not dissimilar to Solly, but it felt like the armband made him stand just that little bit taller today.

Just waking up with a warm feeling in Fleetwood.

We've been undone many times by the long diagonal testing Solly or Da Silva, look at Walsall's last throw of the dice on Tuesday. Fleetwood also had this as their go to ball and it failed as nothing got past Konsa or Sarr who covered everything in the air. It allowed Da Silva to be on the front foot 100% and neutralised a very nippy Fleetwood winger.

Baur looked composed and had all the time he needed to make a brilliant tackle in the penalty area to snuff out a one on one with Amos. Looked a leader to me. Could be because he didn't have to be worrying about covering for the rest of the back line - e.g that mess up with him and Pearce going for the same ball - and could be fully committed to defend the central zone.

Re @LennyLowrent comment about playing deep, I didn't notice this as a problem yesterday, except at times we spent more time building up and going back. If anything I thought we've been exposed recently with too much space behind the wing backs tempting those long diagonals that have been allowing opponents to get behind our defensive line. The back four worked as a unit and covered one another without seeming panicked to me. The only panic seems to be when we defend crosses, might be a mind thing given that's how we have been conceding.

golfaddick said:

Its not often one of our players get a hat trick, especially away from home - so I was thinking back to who has got one over the years. I might have missed one (or two) but could think of:

Leaburn (at Ipswich)
Mendona (at Norwich)
Hunt (at Stockport and/or Norwich ?)
BWP (at Chesterfield)

and all but Leaburns ended up with us getting promotion. Just saying.......

Hales at Cardiff first game of 84/85.

Oggy Red said:

Ben18 said:

Away hat tricks:

Ricky Holmes at Shrewsbury

Mendonca at Wembley.

Just in case anybody has forgotten.

That was at home - we played in red, Sunderland in their change strip.

AddicksAddict said:

golfaddick said:

Its not often one of our players get a hat trick, especially away from home - so I was thinking back to who has got one over the years. I might have missed one (or two) but could think of:

Leaburn (at Ipswich)
Mendona (at Norwich)
Hunt (at Stockport and/or Norwich ?)
BWP (at Chesterfield)

and all but Leaburns ended up with us getting promotion. Just saying.......

Bowyer at Selhurst v Wombles in League Cup
Sordell at Wendies
Callum at Blackpool?

Leaburn/Bowyer and Sordell/Callum were in successive away matches if I remember rightly, which is probably quite unusual.

Harriott's was the last game of the season. Think he set up a couple of Sordell's goals though and maybe scored himself in another game around the same time.