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  • @Wheresmeticket? flashing out the flags.

    Trying to cover up anti semitism again

    Sorry who has bean antisemitic?
  • When you sling out accusations of anti-semitism against anyone who fails to fall in line with your views do you think you are making a better case?

    That's why I think you are manipulative and dishonest.

    And, FYI, I actually don't like Corbyn. I don't like his failure to take a stance on Europe or his failure to provide a robust opposition to this bunch of crooks in government. I just don't think he is an antisemite and I don't like the way you are attacking anyone you don't agree with.
    If you defend anti semitism you are an anti Semite. How is that manipulative and dishonest?

    Seems like you’ve just lost an argument and throwing your toys out of the pram.
  • Well that wasn't the inference. I was genuinely interested and I said you had only posted to get rid of Corbyn, which you had.

    I'm reminded of David Schnider's qwip of "speak to the Jews, just not those ones" but the truth is I don't know the difference between the the JML or the JVL. I don't feel qualified to talk about it rather than I'm ducking anything. I'm interested to know but not just from you because of your inherent bias. The fact that you seek such negativity from someone trying to engage with you says it all.

    I've got no time for Peter Willsman for many by reasons, personally I don't think he should be anywhere near the NEC, but momentum dropped their support of him in August. I am also certain he has been around and on the NEC for decades, he isn't the Labour party and Corbyn being at that meeting does not smear him by association.
    So to use your quote "I want to hear from people but not someone who disagrees with me".

    "Inherent bias" Yes, I'm biased against racism. Happy to say it. Shame not everyone in the labour party is.

    Yes, it was Willsman. Regardless that Momentun dropped their support he was one very senior person denying there was any problem so your statement that it was just me is proved false. Corbyn was in the room and didn't say "Actually Peter, that's out of order". You have to wonder why when he is the "most anti-racist MP of the last 40 years" and someone who says racism should be confronted everywhere.

    Corbyn is the problem because his leadership enables and protects the racists. His support for Hamas etc emboldens racists to say the things they do, the inaction of him and the party is seen as permission to carry on. The JVL make excuses and carry on the fight that Corbyn was forced to give up by John McDonald ie undermining the IHRA definition and backing CLPs who refuse to adopt it.
  • I think we’re also ignore the fact that being “manipulative and dishonest” is a typical anti Semitic characterisation of Jews.
  • I think we’re also ignore the fact that being “manipulative and dishonest” is a typical anti Semitic characterisation of Jews.

    Yes, I had missed that.
  • edited December 2018

    I think we’re also ignore the fact that being “manipulative and dishonest” is a typical anti Semitic characterisation of Jews.

    But in this case it's just a response to someone who is being manipulative and dishonest.
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    So to use your quote "I want to hear from people but not someone who disagrees with me".

    "Inherent bias" Yes, I'm biased against racism. Happy to say it. Shame not everyone in the labour party is.

    Yes, it was Willsman. Regardless that Momentun dropped their support he was one very senior person denying there was any problem so your statement that it was just me is proved false. Corbyn was in the room and didn't say "Actually Peter, that's out of order". You have to wonder why when he is the "most anti-racist MP of the last 40 years" and someone who says racism should be confronted everywhere.

    Corbyn is the problem because his leadership enables and protects the racists. His support for Hamas etc emboldens racists to say the things they do, the inaction of him and the party is seen as permission to carry on. The JVL make excuses and carry on the fight that Corbyn was forced to give up by John McDonald ie undermining the IHRA definition and backing CLPs who refuse to adopt it.
    Actually I said not just from you rather than just not, so I can understand your bias. I get it, you are passionate and sometimes the increase in blood pressure must blur the words.


  • Proves my point.
    I literally quoted exactly what you said.

    Back to trump levels of denial here folks.
  • and another edit after some one's replied, who's being manipulative and dishonest now, @Wheresmeticket?
  • edited December 2018

    I literally quoted exactly what you said.

    Back to trump levels of denial here folks.
    Except you added the words "a typical anti Semitic characterisation of Jews" - or do you not feel that has any bearing?
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  • and another edit after some one's replied, who's being manipulative and dishonest now, @Wheresmeticket?

    Theres an edit button. It's there for a reason. You need to get a grip.

  • But in this case it's just a response to someone who is being manipulative and dishonest.
    in a thread talking about anti semitism,

    Let me guess, you're also some one who's "fought against racism all their lives" but can't pick up when they're being grossly insensitive to jews?

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  • I can't accuse you of dishonesty because it's insensitive to Jews? Are you actually fucking insane?
  • I can't accuse you of dishonesty because it's insensitive to Jews? Are you actually fucking insane?

    Where have I been dishonest?
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    Imagine the uproar if some one said something about another forum member “acting up like a monkey” in the wind rush scandal thread. They rightly would’ve been condemned.

    For the many, not the Jew.
  • Where have I been dishonest?
    I think your willingness to accuse people of antisemitism because they don't agree with you is dishonest.
  • bobmunro said:

    Gentlemen, please.

    I don't know whether or not Corbyn (the subject of this thread) is antisemitic or not, although the lack of action, on his watch, does bring it into question.

    What isn't in denial is that the Labour Party does harbour antisemites, and I'm sure there are also antisemites in other parties, and that there has been a lack of action on Labour's part to rid itself of this shame.

    If part of the problem is the system in place and that is the responsibility of the NEC which up until September has been controlled by factions from the centre of the party, how can you lay that at Corbyn's door?
  • As much as I'd burn95% of the Labour party you can't say the party is anti semetic,or Corbyn---- it's their reaction to anti semetic people within the organisation and the slowness of doing anything which brings in the charges.

    Very sadly at this time the UK is in desperate need of leadership either by HM Gov or HM Oppersition and we have in May and Corbyn anything but leaders
  • The reporting of the Labour 'dossier' by LBC on September 4th and it's handing over to Cressida Dick was not the first time it had been reported.

    A month previously on August 7th (only a couple of weeks after the Labour 'Disputes Panel' at which it had been presented) the Guardian reported 'Leaked Labour papers reveal scale of challenge to tackle antisemitism', which quoted a 'Labour source' saying:

    “The new code of conduct means we will not have to go to the full NEC disputes committee, but a smaller antisemitism subgroup. It will mean we have the potential to kick people out super fast, instead of waiting months for a full disputes meeting and just getting through 11 of 70.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/leaked-labour-papers-reveal-scale-of-challenge-to-tackle-antisemitism

    While another Guardian article on September 19th - 'Labour NEC backs plan to speed up handling of antisemitism claims' - reported that:

    "Labour’s ruling national executive committee has approved a plan to double the size of the party’s key disciplinary body, in order to speed up the handling of antisemitism claims.

    The backlog of disciplinary cases against party members was one of the concerns raised by Jewish leaders when they met Jeremy Corbyn this year.

    At a marathon NEC meeting.....it was agreed that membership of the national constitutional committee (NCC), which decides cases, would be doubled, with 14 additional members elected" [from which 3 person panels to hear cases are drawn].

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/19/labour-nec-double-size-key-disciplinary-body-antisemitism-claims

    This may not be as swift or 'summary' as some would like, but putting new procedures in place and preparing and deciding cases takes time (even after doubling the membership of the NCC).

    Something I suspect the Met Police are probably also experiencing in the three and a half months since the Commissioner was given the 'dossier' by LBC on September 4th.
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  • iainment said:

    I try not to argue with people who have a fixed viewpoint. It's not worth it. You won't take any notice of any view but your own because you're obsessed about Corbyn.
    It'd be like trying to have a conversation with a creationist about Darwin's theory of evolution.
    I know it's not the done thing to quote yourself but this thread just proves my point.
    I don't think anyone's opinion has changed despite the passion from both sides.
  • I said yes, they were not told because they were Jewish. For obvious reasons.

    Where’s your evidence that non Jews weren’t told either? What am supposed to provide? Examples of non jewish mps recieving anti semitic death threats?

    I literally cannot believe you're defending anti semitism.
    I am not defending anti semitism though am I?
    If all Labour MP's that the party HQ knew were subject to threats, and Labour HQ didn't warn them about it then as I said above it would be totally wrong.
    Your suggestion is that the party machine would be anti Semitic if it withheld information from only Jewish MP's., I am asking if the party machine was so rubbish it withheld such information from all threatened MP's regardless of background.
  • as much as i'd burn 95% of the Tory party you cant say the Labour party, or Corbyn is anti semetic, it's their reaction to anti semetic people within the organisation and the slowness of doing anything which brings in the charges.
    Very sadly at this time the UK is in desperate need of leadership either by HM Gov or HM Opposition and we have in May and Corbyn anything but leaders
  • This thread is gold.
  • O dear looks like the petrol cans have to be got back out of the shed
  • This thread is gold.

    No it's not, it's the most depressing thread I've ever seen on CL.
  • edited December 2018
    @Henry Irving is that really worthy of a flag? You misread what I had written, paraphrased me to forward a position I do not hold and then flagged me for pointing it out. Can't wait for you to go back to the forum equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears running round shouting "bollocks!".
  • @Henry Irving is that really worthy of a flag? You misread what I had written, paraphrased me to forward a position I do not hold and then flagged me for pointing it out. Can't wait for you to go back to the forum equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears running round shouting "bollocks!".

    it was for the lazy blood pressure abuse

    I didn't misread anything. You tried to be clever with the "what else can we do?" question and then got personal when I gave you big list.
  • edited December 2018

    it was for the lazy blood pressure abuse

    I didn't misread anything. You tried to be clever with the "what else can we do?" question and then got personal when I gave you big list.



    So to use your quote "I want to hear from people but not someone who disagrees with me".

    That is your post, I never said that. Quite the opposite in fact. Again the fact you think I was trying to be clever and can't recognise a genuine question, let alone I agreed with most of your list, kind of says it all. Look @iainment is bang on the money, no-one else wants to read this and you are clearly sensitive. I apologise for any offence caused.
  • That is your post, I never said that. Quite the opposite in fact. Look @iainment is bang on the money, no-one else wants to read this and you are clearly sensitive. I apologise for any offence caused.

    "sensitive" About racism? Why not go the whole hog and say "you've got a chip on your shoulder"?

    You and Iainment, two Corbyn supporters BTW, don't want to read it. Fine but since when did you speak for everyone else so you can claim "no one else wants to read this"?


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