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Charlton Athletic v Nottingham Forest | Wed 21 August | POST-MATCH VIEWS
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No, just appreciating what he did for the other 89 minutes and 55 secondspalarsehater said:Those saying sarr was outstanding did they miss the spanner foot pass that nearly let them in? On the half way line13 -
Like how Grant must be feeling - just the one win since he got to Huddersfield, isn’t it?letthegoodtimesroll said:
We are witnessing something special happening on the pitch, something most players don’t get to experience in their careers. If we are still up there in January only a fool would walk away from this squad before the end of the season they’ll carry the regret for the rest of their lives because the team will carry on but they won’t be part of itMuttleyCAFC said:I think if we are up there around October/November, we will see efforts to keep Taylor. Also to improve Bowyer's contract. Not saying they will succeed, but they will happen.1 -
Yep all them memories will help pay the bills in ten years time3
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Great first half - as good as I have seen in a long time. Knew we would fade in the second of course. Strange that we were playing the ball out from our own goal line in the first half, then as soon as the second started it was long ball?
Commentator cursed it when he said "If it stays like this Charlton will be top tonight", they scored straight after...
Still - point at home to Forest, eight points and top six after four games, I'd have bitten your hand off for that three weeks ago.5 -
Cheerful this morning Morts...oohaahmortimer said:Yep all them memories will help pay the bills in ten years time
I get your point though, if we were paying real Championship wages I might disagree, but we ain't.
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Taylor gave the ball away once too. Purrington nearly let them in. Fairly sure I remember Gallagher, Cullen and Oztumer all giving the ball away once.palarsehater said:Those saying sarr was outstanding did they miss the spanner foot pass that nearly let them in? On the half way line2 -
The thing about getting extra money in your pay packet, particularly when you are a young man (which footballers are by the way) is the boost to spending grows proportionately and you probably are not that much richer or have significantly more in the bank for a rainy day.oohaahmortimer said:Yep all them memories will help pay the bills in ten years time
move in January and you might find you are a bench warmer for 5 months if it’s an established team and surplus to requirement after that if the new manager and fans don’t love you just as much. Stay to the end of the season and be part of something special and you can name your price and stake your claim in a new team as everybody finds their feet again at the start of a new season1 -
Selective freeze frames going on here..... exactly as I thought. Field slides in and gets a toe on the ball. Hits it against their players left leg going in, which deflects the ball away. Field catches him with the follow through.
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Don’t know if Damo on a whoosh but just cos he nicked the ball doesn’t me he then has carte blanche to do as he wishes .
its reckless and dangerous and lucky ameobi didn’t break his leg2 -
That 45 was awsome
On that showing 6 points from millwall is coming
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This might be me getting the rules wrong then - and if so fair enough it’s a red - I’m not on a whoosh.oohaahmortimer said:Don’t know if Damo on a whoosh but just cos he nicked the ball doesn’t me he then has carte blanche to do as he wishes .
its reckless and dangerous and lucky ameobi didn’t break his leg
i see him nick the ball but what could he do on the slide? He can’t avoid the player on the follow through it’s impossible.
If the rules state a red on the follow through after ball has been won then absolutely that’s a red1 -
May have been considered reckless as his follow through does catch him, but in his defence he clearly gets the ball first and does not get off the ground.DamoNorthStand said:
Selective freeze frames going on here..... exactly as I thought. Field slides in and gets a toe on the ball. Hits it against their players left leg going in, which deflects the ball away. Field catches him with the follow through.
right decision
Contrast that with their potential red card. The player is jumping in and late. Definitely a red for me.
p.s. If their player was sent off they would not have been up there anyway!6 -
Great 1st half ,as good as I've seen for ages.
Oshi had a very good game at right back.Field and Oztumer both look quality proving we have strength in depth.
Hemed will only improve us as well when he comes into the side.
Selection headache for Bowyer now with so many to choose from ,what a lovely position to be in.
Fully expect to see us beat Brentford Saturday and maintain our giddy position in the league.
Bowyer is unbelievable.5 -
I think it was actually Ameobi who committed the bad tackle, wasn't it?Redrobo said:
May have been considered reckless as his follow through does catch him, but in his defence he clearly gets the ball first and does not get off the ground.DamoNorthStand said:
Selective freeze frames going on here..... exactly as I thought. Field slides in and gets a toe on the ball. Hits it against their players left leg going in, which deflects the ball away. Field catches him with the follow through.
right decision
Contrast that with their potential red card. The player is jumping in and late. Definitely a red for me.
p.s. If their player was sent off they would not have been up there anyway!
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Agree with what’s been said about Aneke. Oztumer didn’t stop chasing down and putting pressure on them. As soon as Chuks came on, they grew in to the game and were able to dictate play from the back with little/no pressure from Aneke. Not sure if he was injured but he needs to be doing more especially when coming on with ‘fresh legs’.
Overall, happy with a point.5 -
Oh. I must have been away too long. I didn't realise that nowadays players actually initiate a process by which they choose whom they will play for, when, and what the new employer will pay them. I used to think that employers (clubs) themselves initiate things.SELR_addicks said:
From everything I've seen, it seems like Taylor will just do the same to us than he did to Wimbledon.LouisMend said:
He'll walk in the summer to a club at the top of the Chempionship/low end Prem club.
Maybe I am just an old dinosaur but I used to think that as with any other employee, if you want to retain a player you accurately assess his market value and, assuming you want to keep him, pay him enough to make a move a way relatively inattractive.
I can't be arsed to read what Bow has said because of course his real point is about Duchatelet's behaviour and not Lyle Taylor's.
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I’m sure one look at his bank balance will cheer him up.EveshamAddick said:
Like how Grant must be feeling - just the one win since he got to Huddersfield, isn’t it?letthegoodtimesroll said:
We are witnessing something special happening on the pitch, something most players don’t get to experience in their careers. If we are still up there in January only a fool would walk away from this squad before the end of the season they’ll carry the regret for the rest of their lives because the team will carry on but they won’t be part of itMuttleyCAFC said:I think if we are up there around October/November, we will see efforts to keep Taylor. Also to improve Bowyer's contract. Not saying they will succeed, but they will happen.0 -
As many have said great first 45-55 mins blew them away with Cullen running the game. Just had that feeling that not taking the many chances would costs us. Had a few plastic prem friends message saying we looked class during the game.
Might be an unpopular opinion but I thought Phillips was poor and looked uncomfortable all night weather coming for crosses or the ball at feet.2 -
Still conflicted the morning after. Elated at the display but gutted it didn't produce the win it deserved but that is football. Perhaps our work rate and closing down was always going to be hard to maintain for 90 mins but we were a joy to watch.
Possession, shots, corners (Forest had one and scored from it) are just meaningless stats. Only goals count and we didn't quite do enough.
I left the ground thinking that if Grant was still with us we win that game but he isn't.
Brave rotation by Bowyer and he now has rested players for Saturday. Selection then will be interesting.
And we still have Hemed and Kayel to come in.
Gallagher, Gullen and Lockyer (bar the goal) were dominant, Sarr had plenty of time and did little wrong, Field looked a different player than against Forest Green. Taylor led the line brilliantly and is now, according to @cafcstats one goal away from equalling Fred Whitlow's 1929 record of scoring in each of the first five league games of the season. Bowyer also saying it will be "impossible" to keep him in January.
Leko's pace and running were an essential part of how we played and it was his assist. When he starts taking his chances he'll be a fantastic player. Whenever that is.
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I don’t think it’s all about the money.ricky_otto said:
I’m sure one look at his bank balance will cheer him up.EveshamAddick said:
Like how Grant must be feeling - just the one win since he got to Huddersfield, isn’t it?letthegoodtimesroll said:
We are witnessing something special happening on the pitch, something most players don’t get to experience in their careers. If we are still up there in January only a fool would walk away from this squad before the end of the season they’ll carry the regret for the rest of their lives because the team will carry on but they won’t be part of itMuttleyCAFC said:I think if we are up there around October/November, we will see efforts to keep Taylor. Also to improve Bowyer's contract. Not saying they will succeed, but they will happen.0 -
All in all, it was a real Jekyll and Hyde performance, we should've had the game wrapped up at half time.
Oshilaja what a performance I have to say! loved his song as well haha. I think Solly now has some genuine competition at RB and maybe bows will start him again on saturday, I know I would. Cullen once again dominating the midfield.
I'm sorry I know Phillips is Charlton academy but I'm not convinced on him. I turn into a bag of nerves when the ball is played back to him or crosses come in. He flapped one yesterday, and his distribution yesterday was poor but not as bad as the Forest keepers lol. Amos to start the next game for me.
Obviously we're still undefeated and thats great, but last night feels like 2 points lost.
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No, this is a misreading of the passage of play. Watch from when the ball comes in. Gallagher was the man marking Adomah. He got stuck with Lockyer's man running into him and let Adomah move a yard off him. Pratley was stood centrally to clear a ball delivered into the middle. The fact that he reacted and got closest to Adomah while Gallagher stayed put actually says a lot about Pratley and his reactions, and completely works against the point about subs not being 'ready' off a substitution. To be fair, I've watched it a couple more times now and Forest are clever with their movement. Cullen's man runs across Pratley and Lockyer's man runs across Gallagher. It creates space but you still have to get lucky with the ball dropping for you, which they did. The old trope of 'never make a sub when you're defending a corner' is making people see something that isn't there.Weegie Addick said:
Watch it again. The ball bounced off Lockyer and Adomah reacted but Pratley didn't. I wonder if Field would have got there as he was on the pace of the game?Garrymanilow said:6Must stress at this point as well that the subs had absolutely nothing to do with their goal. Nothing at all. The goal was caused by Lockey making a mistake in dealing with the ball in and it dropping incredibly favourably for Adomah. It's not like a spare man popped up while Pratley was ambling onto the field. Blaming the sub for the goal is a total red herring
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It because Philips is Charlton academy that people aren't convinced by him.DoctorCharlton said:All in all, it was a real Jekyll and Hyde performance, we should've had the game wrapped up at half time.
Oshilaja what a performance I have to say! loved his song as well haha. I think Solly now has some genuine competition at RB and maybe bows will start him again on saturday, I know I would. Cullen once again dominating the midfield.
I'm sorry I know Phillips is Charlton academy but I'm not convinced on him. I turn into a bag of nerves when the ball is played back to him or crosses come in. He flapped one yesterday, and his distribution yesterday was poor but not as bad as the Forest keepers lol. Amos to start the next game for me.
Obviously we're still undefeated and thats great, but last night feels like 2 points lost.
It seems every home grown keeper gets little credit compared to brought in goalies
Laughable that you say his distribution was "poor" (it wasn't) or that he flapped at "one". Even you admit the other keepers' distribution was poor but Philips' was and is 100 times better. And there was, yet again, nothing he could do about the goal.
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Gutted when I got home from the game last night because it should have been three points in the bag. A lot happier this morning because I realise we are going to be real force in the Championship this season. First-half performance was the best we have played for a long, long time and showed we have no reason to be scared of any team. Plus, once the new players have gelled, we'll be even stronger. Otzumer made an impressive debut and looking forward to Hemed adding something different to strike force. Play-offs? Why not?1
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As with most on here, first half was as good as I've seen us play. I have to admit I thought playing Oztumer was a big gamble as didn't think he would be match fit, but he was quality, some great touches and got stuck in as well.
Lockyer was quality, not just the goal saving tackle, but his passing and composure on the ball.
We should have made them pay in the first half and suffered for it, I thought Ameobi was incredibly lucky to avoid a red card, and their keeper was terrible (If Ederson was injured last season, this guy would have lost City the title).
In the end we tired out, which is no surprise, but the squad depth we now have with Hemed and Kayal still to come in is comforting.0 -
I only saw it live on the night but I knew he got the ball first, and so did the ref.DamoNorthStand said:
Selective freeze frames going on here..... exactly as I thought. Field slides in and gets a toe on the ball. Hits it against their players left leg going in, which deflects the ball away. Field catches him with the follow through.
right decision
Sam Field's foot hits the ball low and then catches the player which should've been a penalty as the follow through caught the player in the box. Any retro viewing will see that no more action should be taken but the ref may get a rocket for missing the outcome of that tackle and not giving a yellow card.
Typical of some CL members to want their own player sent off !
The same folk would have slagged him off if he didn't try the tackle.
I'm really struggling to understand a few of our posters. 100's of fantastic passes first half and yet some want to highlight one or two passes that missed their target !
I get that Pearce is a great captain but at home we need Sarr and Lockyer to open up the play and get the team attacking.
In away games it could still be Pearce and Lockyer. Mainly because both Jason and Naby favour the left CB role.
Don't miss a game to the Jan window because it will end in tears. Both Cullen and Taylor will be gone unless new dynamic owners arrive in the interim.
I don't expect that to happen.(dynamic new owners who pay the main striker the going rate for Championship goals and assists)
Happy and sad this morning.
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Late to the party with comments so won’t go into any detail except to say that the first half is I think the best 45 minute performance I have seen from a Charlton team in several years. Forest are no mugs and it was inevitable that we would tire. Deji the unexpected highlight for me. But so many good performances. A bad night for Jake as he’s nowhere near this squad when all are fit. The only negative for me was Aneke. From what I’ve seen so far he’s the one poor signing. He looks clumsy, off the pace and out classed at this level. I hope I’m wrong and he turns out to be a star but the more I see the less I like. All in all though a night that will live long in the memory for that first 45 minutes. More of the same please chaps.
Just had a whats app exchange with a Millwall mate. He said the only time they had possession in the first half was picking the ball out of the net and taking it back to the centre spot.6 -
Henry Irving said:
It because Philips is Charlton academy that people aren't convinced by him.DoctorCharlton said:All in all, it was a real Jekyll and Hyde performance, we should've had the game wrapped up at half time.
Oshilaja what a performance I have to say! loved his song as well haha. I think Solly now has some genuine competition at RB and maybe bows will start him again on saturday, I know I would. Cullen once again dominating the midfield.
I'm sorry I know Phillips is Charlton academy but I'm not convinced on him. I turn into a bag of nerves when the ball is played back to him or crosses come in. He flapped one yesterday, and his distribution yesterday was poor but not as bad as the Forest keepers lol. Amos to start the next game for me.
Obviously we're still undefeated and thats great, but last night feels like 2 points lost.
It seems every home grown keeper gets little credit compared to brought in goalies
Laughable that you say his distribution was "poor" (it wasn't) or that he flapped at "one". Even you admit the other keepers' distribution was poor but Philips' was and is 100 times better. And there was, yet again, nothing he could do about the goal.
To be honest I'm cutting him some slack, every game so far this season he's flapped from a cross or corner, Out of position running into no mans land. Just because his distribution wasnt as bad as Forest doesnt make it acceptable. You can throw glitter at a turd and all that.
You can call it laughable, but it's my opinion.
He's a good shot-stopper, but general presence and commanding of the box, no not for me.
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Our first half performance was the best football we have played since we were top 4 in the Premier League.
The last time I was almost speechless with a breathtaking performance was when we won 2-4 at Highbury and were top of the world league.
The second half, was somewhat different, but we were never going to be able to keep up our Brazil like performance for 95 mins.
Lee Bowyer is a special manager. Just wow.9
