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The only thing I think I won was a referendum. There were 2 sides, leave or remain. Leave got more votes so "won". What exactly was "won" will be debated for evermore. But 34 million people voted & 1 side had to come out on top. That outcome should then had been respected. If it couldn't be delivered (for whatever reason) then that is a different story.Rothko said:LenGlover said:
The first paragraph is thoughRothko said:
Not a single word of that second paragraph is truegolfaddick said:
To some people lying to is more important. 17.4 Million people voted in 2016 to leave the EU....and then were denied their right. That makes people angry & not respected. Especially if they are told they didnt know what they were voting for.... .as if the people telling them that did & are superior.colthe3rd said:
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?Callumcafc said:Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
Also lots of people in Leave areas have seen "immigrants" settle in their towns, taking their jobs & reducing wages. This influx of people also stretches infrastructure & local services. Not all the travails of the NHS is down to austerity.
They certainly were lied to by the leave campaign, but then cranks (and I mean this in the nicest way possible) think you won something
And if anyone didn't know what was being voted for, it was David Cameron. Should never had organised a referendum that couldn't be delivered. I was simply asked to vote. I did.....and the result should be respected.1 -
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And Andrew Neil says he has just seen a labour briefing paper which says they should put the result down to one issue...,,Brexit.robinofottershaw said:If the exit poll is anywhere correct, I hope Labour don’t delude themselves this would be solely down to Brexit. In my opinion the British people tend to be conservative with a small “c”. I personally I don’t think they are electable until they get rid of Corbyn and McDonnell.3 -
What would happen if he did?Callumcafc said:Clinging on to the hope that Boris might have lost his seat.0 -
The_Organiser said:
Clearly the first 13 words are.Rothko said:
Not a single word of that second paragraph is truegolfaddick said:
To some people lying to is more important. 17.4 Million people voted in 2016 to leave the EU....and then were denied their right. That makes people angry & not respected. Especially if they are told they didnt know what they were voting for.... .as if the people telling them that did & are superior.colthe3rd said:
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?Callumcafc said:Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
Also lots of people in Leave areas have seen "immigrants" settle in their towns, taking their jobs & reducing wages. This influx of people also stretches infrastructure & local services. Not all the travails of the NHS is down to austerity.
Immigrants as a percentage of the population are actually far fewer outside of the big cities so the first 13 words are nonsense too.
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FREEEEDDDOOMMMM!Rothko said:
You end up with a Catalonia situation on your own doorstep, wouldn't be surprised if the SNP then called a non binding referendum, win that, and even more hell breaks loosese9addick said:
How can Boris be forced into it if he has an enormous majority? There needs to be a transfer of power from Westminster to Holyrood which requires executive approval or a vote in Westminster - Boris can stop either giving said approval very easily.cafcdave123 said:
i think the results up in Holyrood next year could really leave it impossible not to have a second referendumRothko said:
The Tories will then get a shoeing in the Scottish Parliament elections next year, you then can't really say no if the SNP win a Scottish election with a majority (and they'll get close to 50% of the vote as well)se9addick said:
Because Boris said he won’t grant another referendum and, with a majority of this size, he won’t have to do anything he doesn’t want to.Rothko said:BTW, how do you stop the SNP now from getting another referendum? Scotland is so far away from England and Wales now, they've overwhelmingly voted remain twice now if this is an EU related election. Their mandate is stronger then ever
Queue the next constitutional crisis.2 -
When you say 'we' I take it you don't mean Northern Ireland.0
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Markets just want certainty. A big majority gives that.AFKABartram said:Pound has rose sharply on the Exit poll5 -
Unfortunately this is essentially the 4th time brexit has won an election. Cameron got elected twice on the promise of a referendum we had the brexit vote and now this basically confirming it. The people want it.
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Saying that, I'm fucking delighted that someone like Gareth Snell has lost his seat in Stoke0
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With this majority? Quick by-election in a safe seat.AFKABartram said:
What would happen if he did?Callumcafc said:Clinging on to the hope that Boris might have lost his seat.0 -
Rob7Lee said:
Nah, unless everyone did what I did in protest and voted Green!Greenie Junior said:Labour have potentially lost Eltham!
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Elect a new leader or stick him in a seat and have a by-election (more likely imo?)AFKABartram said:
What would happen if he did?Callumcafc said:Clinging on to the hope that Boris might have lost his seat.0 -
He'd ask one of his colleagues in a stronger seat to stand aside. It wouldn't unfortunately be the end of him.AFKABartram said:
What would happen if he did?Callumcafc said:Clinging on to the hope that Boris might have lost his seat.1 -
Farage desperate for Brexit........ fucks off to America1
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The Scottish have done far better than the English regions, getting far more funding per headAddickted4life said:
Can hardly blame the Scots and the SNP at this point. Have been treated like rubbish the last decade or so.AFKABartram said:
It’s not funny as in funny, but you’ve got to admit it’s bizarre. I reckon about 90-95% of the noise on Facebook, Twitter and forums such as this is ‘anti Tory’, manipulating the backdrop with exaggerated guilting and shaming imo.Callumcafc said:golfaddick said:Wow. Exit poll suggest a massive Tory majority of 86.
Ha ha ha ha
Glad you find it funny. You're alright Jack.
Yet every time it comes to people casting a vote, it turns out most people actually vote Tory. It’s bizarre.
Labour is a disaster. There are two labours, the London one with a mix of largely comfortable champagne socialists / remainers and ethnic minorities, and then there is Labour outside of London. Traditional Labour, and that lot just don’t recognise or relate with Corbyn. This was on the wall 12 months ago. How an opposition who can’t make any inroads at all when the ruling party is in such disarray and doesn’t make any change only have themselves to blame.
The country desperately needs a strong opposition yet at best that looks years off.
Only real sad sad thing imo is the Scottish backing for the SNP, which given their poor actual performance is giving a big Scottish backing for independence (sadly for us Supporters of the union).
Will be interesting to see Sturgeon V Johnson off the back of this.2 -
John McDonnell a broken man on sky1
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I will be shocked if the seats Labour lose are not Leave voting constituencies.
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Farage's new job: Trump's fluffer1
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Laura Pidcock in trouble in North West Durham.
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Now that would be good. A cretin of a person.Callumcafc said:Laura Pidcock in trouble in North West Durham.0 -
Another I'll be delighted to see the back of, would be a real problem in a leadership election as a true believer in CorbynCallumcafc said:Laura Pidcock in trouble in North West Durham.0 -
Percentages are irrelevant. People live in these towns and see the demographic change significantly with their own eyes. In some towns they no longer recognise the place as the same as where they grew up. There are no-go areas for white British people in British cities (that’s not to suggest it doesn’t occur the other way of course)Callumcafc said:The_Organiser said:
Clearly the first 13 words are.Rothko said:
Not a single word of that second paragraph is truegolfaddick said:
To some people lying to is more important. 17.4 Million people voted in 2016 to leave the EU....and then were denied their right. That makes people angry & not respected. Especially if they are told they didnt know what they were voting for.... .as if the people telling them that did & are superior.colthe3rd said:
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?Callumcafc said:Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
Also lots of people in Leave areas have seen "immigrants" settle in their towns, taking their jobs & reducing wages. This influx of people also stretches infrastructure & local services. Not all the travails of the NHS is down to austerity.
Immigrants as a percentage of the population are actually far fewer outside of the big cities so the first 13 words are nonsense too.
I’m not debating whether it should matter or not, but to deny these are not real issues and considerations for people in these places is the absolute reason why Brexit got voted for and why Labour are being potentially destroyed in their heartlands.3 -
Oh Tommy Tommy...The_Organiser said:
Percentages are irrelevant. People live in these towns and see the demographic change significantly with their own eyes. In some towns they no longer recognise the place as the same as where they grew up. There are no-go areas for white British people in British cities (that’s not to suggest it doesn’t occur the other way of course)Callumcafc said:The_Organiser said:
Clearly the first 13 words are.Rothko said:
Not a single word of that second paragraph is truegolfaddick said:
To some people lying to is more important. 17.4 Million people voted in 2016 to leave the EU....and then were denied their right. That makes people angry & not respected. Especially if they are told they didnt know what they were voting for.... .as if the people telling them that did & are superior.colthe3rd said:
It really is baffling, you can show these people the devastation to their local areas that Brexit will bring but it will be ignored for whatever reason. We live in an age where data and evidence is abundant but ever more so people are choosing not to believe it. What's that thing about stupidity and doing the same thing over and over?Callumcafc said:Tories confident of gaining Sunderland Central... heads in hands here.
Also lots of people in Leave areas have seen "immigrants" settle in their towns, taking their jobs & reducing wages. This influx of people also stretches infrastructure & local services. Not all the travails of the NHS is down to austerity.
Immigrants as a percentage of the population are actually far fewer outside of the big cities so the first 13 words are nonsense too.
I’m not debating whether it should matter or not, but to deny these are not real issues and considerations for people in these places is the absolute reason why Brexit got voted for and why Labour are being destroyed in their heartlands.2 -
Put in a constituency here and it'll break it down seperatly from the exit poll. Looks so grim for Labour. - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-504242630
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First 150 votes are in the Exit poll. If you’ve not added your vote yet, please tick an option in the opening post
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/87632/charlton-life-general-election-exit-poll-2019/p1
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Rothko, you might not like hearing it but it’s foolish to deny these are real issues that have not been managed in the eyes of a lot of voters and it results in these outpourings.3
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I can see this being even worse the 191 seats for Labour.
Re-count at Blythe Valley which would be a 10% swing to the Tories.0 -
Hilarious interview with Mark Francois on BBC.0
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