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Brentford v Charlton | Post-match Thread 7.7.2020

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  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,333
    BR3red said:
    Our 2 closest rivals Hull and Borough.


    Their 2 nexts games V ...... Millwall 🙄
    Ain’t going to do us any favours
  • Who were they clapping at the end in the crowd cheering them one. I was already wound up but that tipped me over edge. 
    Prob Sue for taking the time & effort to get there....
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,323
    edited July 2020
    YOU ABSOLUTE BASTARD REFEREE!!!!!!

    LB on Brentford's penalty: "I thought it was soft. I've seen challenges like that not be given. The ref said to me 'Josh got a touch on the ball but it was his follow through'. You can't control that when two people are running at each other."

    Benrahma was on the way down the moment Cullen got a touch on the ball
  • Unlucky not to get a point.

    No real complaints other than Aneke is just no threat, even on simple tasks. You know Taylor would've put the fear of God in Jansen and Pinnock when they were trying to play out from the back, but Chuks just strolled about giving them zero pressure. I'd give Davison a chance as sub next game. 

    JFC, Cullen, Field & Williams as a combo oozed quite a bit of class at times. 

    The camera work was dreadful from iFollow or whoever produces it. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    You can't play for a draw.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    bobmunro said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Who gave away the penalty?
    Cullen but for me he won the ball then cleared out Benrahma.

    I don't think he touched the ball.

    I have only seen one replay and I agree Bob.

    Anyone at the reverse fixture knows we rode our luck when winning 1-0. Hoping for another 95 minutes of keeping Brentford out when creative players have the ball just outside the area would have taken a miracle.

    I said we needed another goal to win when 1 up.(I was wrong !) A really tough defeat to take, but we lost our shape on 60 minutes and the pressure ramps up again.



  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,380
    Would like to know what the subs should have been. Our squad has very limited attacking options, that’s down to the budget rather than Bowyer.

    Whatever subs were made it would have been flawed in some way. Too defensive, not enough energy, not enough pace etc.

    Bowyer is clearly taking the upcoming games into account and doesn’t want to lose players like Pratley, Williams or Doughty to injury through overplaying them.

    Could say put McGeady on but he hasn’t been that much of a threat going forward, and he isn’t great for tracking back and defending. 
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  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    edited July 2020
    Most people on here before the game were expecting us to lose, in fact some were hoping we didn't get hammered so our GD didn't suffer too much. Brentford were the better side, and we did what we could do with limited resources. Field, Williams and Doughty were knackered and that's why they were subbed. We lost 2-1, not ideal, but as to my first point people were expecting a drubbing. It's still in our hands and 2 wins from the next 3 is definitely possible. I still believe we will stay up, but it'll be by the smallest of margins. Would be very good if Millwall and Bristol City can win tomorrow night.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,323
    Scoham said:
    Would like to know what the subs should have been. Our squad has very limited attacking options, that’s down to the budget rather than Bowyer.

    Whatever subs were made it would have been flawed in some way. Too defensive, not enough energy, not enough pace etc.

    Bowyer is clearly taking the upcoming games into account and doesn’t want to lose players like Pratley, Williams or Doughty to injury through overplaying them.

    Could say put McGeady on but he hasn’t been that much of a threat going forward, and he isn’t great for tracking back and defending. 
    Thank you!!!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,854
    Pearce own goal for the second. Doughty had nothing left, had to come off. Same for Williams and Field had a knock. It's not Bowyer's fault that Lapslie and Morgan are not Championship standard. As already posted, we are 4 points and a better goal difference ahead of third from bottom. I think we did well tonight, overall, and I hope the same eleven start on Saturday; we'll have a good chance of a win. Keep the faith.
    But it was Bowyer who chose to replace Williams with Lapslie rather than say McGeady who was the nearest in the squad who could play the same role. 

    Yes Green was rubbish against Cardiff, but he would at least have provided us a bit of pace for the last few minutes if he'd been on the bench, which is what we had in the first half.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,149
    PaddyP17 said:


    We are clearly a team. We're at least as good a team as Brentford, who play and understand each other beautifully - they just happen to have much better players.


    Sorry I'm lost 
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,037
    PaddyP17 said:


    We are clearly a team. We're at least as good a team as Brentford, who play and understand each other beautifully - they just happen to have much better players.


    Sorry I'm lost 
    We play for each other and set up as well as any other team. We are just limited in ability and therefore execution. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    Really don't understand this mentality of "Well, at least we didn't get battered." Absolute tin pot mentality that. 
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,481
    only saw the second goal from the corner once as i stormed out the room after that so missed the replay, was anyone at fault? 
    Looked to be a free header
    I think it came off the back of Pearce’s shoulder.
  • ProperCharlton
    ProperCharlton Posts: 2,254
    Taking off all of our counter-attack threats for zero quality killed us. 

    When you sit back, you need someone up front able to hold up the ball and pick a pass. Once Williams + Field went off we had nothing. 

    Loss was inevitable at that point. 
    I was gonna do a long post moaning, but the first comment sums up my feelings.
  • RaplhMilne
    RaplhMilne Posts: 4,603
    Sorry..... the subs opened us up to relentless Brentford pressure. We were always going to give at least one away. Disappointing......  Move on next game. 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    You can't play for a draw.
    I agree. Lucky we didn’t.
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  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,189
    Talal said:
    Taking off Williams and bringing on Lapsie is such a difference in quality. It shows our lack of depth. 
    Who would you have taken Williams off for?

    Dont just sit there and bemoan decisions from Bowyer, actually suggest what he should have done better?
    No one, he wasn't running on empty was still tracking back and looked as energetic as anyone. Was too soon getting him off. 
    Spot on talal. Only thought is that williams was that injured we had tonsacrficie him for lasplie 🙈
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,770
    PaddyP17 said:


    We are clearly a team. We're at least as good a team as Brentford, who play and understand each other beautifully - they just happen to have much better players.


    Sorry I'm lost 
    Ability wise clearly not. But cohesion & spirit, absolutely yes.

    Why do you think it took until game 42 for a top six side to beat us?
  • twiggyaddick
    twiggyaddick Posts: 1,565
    Really don't understand this mentality of "Well, at least we didn't get battered." Absolute tin pot mentality that. 
    At this point, where GD could be crucial, I would rather take a 2-1 like this than a 4-0 trying to take a game to a team far better than us
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,149
    PaddyP17 said:
    PaddyP17 said:


    We are clearly a team. We're at least as good a team as Brentford, who play and understand each other beautifully - they just happen to have much better players.


    Sorry I'm lost 
    We play for each other and set up as well as any other team. We are just limited in ability and therefore execution. 
    to me we are nowhere as good a team as brentford but we obvioulsy have different ideas on what a team is 
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    Really don't understand this mentality of "Well, at least we didn't get battered." Absolute tin pot mentality that. 
    In most circumstances I'd completely agree with you.

    However, we played away at the form team of the division.  The one thing we have going for us in the tight relegation struggle we are in the thick of is a better goal difference than most of the teams around us.

    Goal difference could prove to be crucial and is almost worth an extra point.


  • ProperCharlton
    ProperCharlton Posts: 2,254
    So the ref says Cullen won the ball first, but then still gives a penalty? Absolute joke
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,149
    PaddyP17 said:


    We are clearly a team. We're at least as good a team as Brentford, who play and understand each other beautifully - they just happen to have much better players.


    Sorry I'm lost 
    Ability wise clearly not. But cohesion & spirit, absolutely yes.

    Why do you think it took until game 42 for a top six side to beat us?
    we are a bottom 6 side for a reason 
    We are still punching being outside the bottom 1 !




  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    So the ref says Cullen won the ball first, but then still gives a penalty? Absolute joke
    Makes a mockery of the laws of the game. He won the challenge because he won the ball. He can’t help momentum taking both himself and Benrahma going into each other.

    It’s not a penalty, we got done there.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,323
    edited July 2020
    Sage said:
    So the ref says Cullen won the ball first, but then still gives a penalty? Absolute joke
    Makes a mockery of the laws of the game. He won the challenge because he won the ball. He can’t help momentum taking both himself and Benrahma going into each other.

    It’s not a penalty, we got done there.
    Exactly... Brentford dont get the penalty and probably dont get the momentum that gets them the second goal either as the decision will have lifted their players

    If thats a penalty then nearly every challenge in the box is a penalty as endless tackles etc. have the players momentum going into the opposition 
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    PaddyP17 said:


    We are clearly a team. We're at least as good a team as Brentford, who play and understand each other beautifully - they just happen to have much better players.


    Sorry I'm lost 
    Ability wise clearly not. But cohesion & spirit, absolutely yes.

    Why do you think it took until game 42 for a top six side to beat us?
    we are a bottom 6 side for a reason 
    We are still punching being outside the bottom 1 !




    Swansea away we was only allowed to play 3 of our players because they were still in school holidays