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Bonne Confirmed
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Interesting range of views on Bonne in here and the post Doncaster thread - apparently he's a slow lightweight striker who misses too many chances though does offer pace, power and great finishing
hudson-son-son said:We're unlikely to do better than having a striker who can score at Champ level and Champ teams want.
He's still raw, and may be frustrating at times but he'll score goals, and likely be comfortably our top scorer.
He has pace, power and at times can show some great finishing and movement, he'll click at some point and would rather that was here, than elsewhere as seems so happen so many times
People seem to talk about him like he's Chris Dickson, but he's proven he can score at a higher level than we are currently so lets see how many he can do this year, obviously depending on how well we do, but can't see any reason he won't get 15+ as our starting striker.cafctom said:I know he grabs the odd goal from time to time, but Bonne offers absolutely nothing else to our all round play.
Physically he is very weak and gets out muscled every single time. He doesn’t exactly have pace either that makes him a threat to slow League One defenders.
Even in the games where he does score, he’s never putting in a MOTM performance or taking the play by the scruff of the neck.
And don’t get me started on the missed chances.
He reminds me of David Mooney in some ways.11 -
QPR mate asked me about Bonne. I said decent stats, not the all round game but if he played for an attacking team and with a fair wind he may get 20 goals in the Championship. A poor man's Andy Cole. I would want £5M if he were to go and if we were allowed to reinvest it. We will prob roll over for £500K to pay salaries if the sale of the club does not happen before Nov.3
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Jordan Hugill scored 6 in 37 for Boro in 18/19 followed by 13 in 39 for QPR in 19/20. Norwich just bought him for over 3m. He was never prolific for Preston prior to that.
We should be asking for north of 2m for Bonne. If we can get 2.5 and a sell-on that’s worth taking IMO. 1.5 is not enough.4 -
£1.5m is the sort of money we'd get in the Roland years. We're in a time where it's normal for a Championship club to pay £10m for a striker or have a wage bill of £40m. We'll always have to sell players but we should be getting more for them than we have in recent years.9
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Have they put in bids or is that just paper talk / rumour/bolloxForeverAddickted said:Fans live in a Football Manager / FIFA video game dream world if they think we should be getting rid of Bonne
Four Championship teams apparently want him, yet fans with all their "knowledge" think he's shit!!
Come back to me when a Championship club bids that amount.0 -
We are a club in turmoil at the moment so teams are going to take the piss with derisory offers. I think around the £2.5m mark is probably about right for him.2
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I think Kieffer Moore was a good base point for Bonne - He has done a bit more at Championship level but only got ten goals last seasonricky_otto said:We are a club in turmoil at the moment so teams are going to take the piss with derisory offers. I think around the £2.5m mark is probably about right for him.
He went from Wigan for £2m this summer, a reminder too that Jamal Lowe went for £500k when Wigan signed him for £2m
My point being that if Wigan can be poached for their best Striker for £2m (also a full International, albeit with England "B") in their current plight then yeah Bonne is £2.5m / £3m minimum, maybe even £4m what with Macca being slightly younger... To be honest just to see us saying no to clubs (even with Phillips who will surely go) is really refreshing1 -
Excuse me! Please go and do some research on who said what. You will probably find that there were a huge amount of fans that loved KAG and defended him when things were not going so well.Chunes said:Strange that Bonne has so much more of a a fan club on this forum than KAG ever did. And KAG was a much better player.2 -
Can I only pass comment on him if I think he’s gonna do well ...ForeverAddickted said:Dont get me wrong I'll be pissed and disappointed with Macca if he cant get into double figures this season and is his fault for that failure
Isnt it better to wait and see if that happens BEFORE writing him off?I don’t think he’s all that and never have , yet his goals return was exceptional last year but some strikers do have those one off seasons ...Ajose for example had everyone interested in him
his touch and rawness don’t give me hope
hopefully I’ll be well wrong and he’ll bang em in for us and rocket us up to tenth in league one .
if he’s our top scorer I don’t expect promotion5 -
Give him time, once proper match sharpness and confidence comes, he'll be back in the goals.3
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If he stays this season id have a charity bet with anyone that he will score more than Washington this season. Hes already behind so its a good bet?😶2
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Kin ell , how bad is Washington then .... I’ve not seen Washington but if he looks like the ball isn’t toblerone shaped with his first touch I’ll have a bet ... I just want one match to see WashingtonorpingtonRED said:If he stays this season id have a charity bet with anyone that he will score more than Washington this season. Hes already behind so its a good bet?😶2 -
There were some of us. There were not huge amounts. The general consensus was that he was shit and could be replaced. Hence why KAG has nothing good to say about us these days.Redrobo said:
Excuse me! Please go and do some research on who said what. You will probably find that there were a huge amount of fans that loved KAG and defended him when things were not going so well.Chunes said:Strange that Bonne has so much more of a a fan club on this forum than KAG ever did. And KAG was a much better player.
Don't want to derail this into a KAG discussion. The point was that he and Bonne are held to very different standards.
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Bonne is also still quite raw, with the right man alongside him he will flourish I’m sure.ForeverAddickted said:
I think Kieffer Moore was a good base point for Bonne - He has done a bit more at Championship level but only got ten goals last seasonricky_otto said:We are a club in turmoil at the moment so teams are going to take the piss with derisory offers. I think around the £2.5m mark is probably about right for him.
He went from Wigan for £2m this summer, a reminder too that Jamal Lowe went for £500k when Wigan signed him for £2m
My point being that if Wigan can be poached for their best Striker for £2m (also a full International, albeit with England "B") in their current plight then yeah Bonne is £2.5m / £3m minimum, maybe even £4m what with Macca being slightly younger... To be honest just to see us saying no to clubs (even with Phillips who will surely go) is really refreshing3 -
I think the comments on twitter and instagram calling him a rapist and being racist towards him did that.Chunes said:
There were some of us. There were not huge amounts. The general consensus was that he was shit and could be replaced. Hence why KAG has nothing good to say about us these days.Redrobo said:
Excuse me! Please go and do some research on who said what. You will probably find that there were a huge amount of fans that loved KAG and defended him when things were not going so well.Chunes said:Strange that Bonne has so much more of a a fan club on this forum than KAG ever did. And KAG was a much better player.
Don't want to derail this into a KAG discussion. The point was that he and Bonne are held to very different standards.
On your comment of different standards, Karlan was given what 3 seasons before he came good? He was one of our own which meant people actually gave him more time than the likes of Churchinho to come good.
When he did it was a huge relief, but Karlan spent those 3 seasons in the Championship and League 1
Bonne has come from playing against the likes of Sutton and Braintree. Of course he's going to be more raw. His longest spell of games was in the National League.5 -
12 in 39 agrees with this.ricky_otto said:
Bonne is also still quite raw, with the right man alongside him he will flourish I’m sure.ForeverAddickted said:
I think Kieffer Moore was a good base point for Bonne - He has done a bit more at Championship level but only got ten goals last seasonricky_otto said:We are a club in turmoil at the moment so teams are going to take the piss with derisory offers. I think around the £2.5m mark is probably about right for him.
He went from Wigan for £2m this summer, a reminder too that Jamal Lowe went for £500k when Wigan signed him for £2m
My point being that if Wigan can be poached for their best Striker for £2m (also a full International, albeit with England "B") in their current plight then yeah Bonne is £2.5m / £3m minimum, maybe even £4m what with Macca being slightly younger... To be honest just to see us saying no to clubs (even with Phillips who will surely go) is really refreshing0 -
Not to mention his reception when Huddersfield came to the Valley last seasonDazzler21 said:
I think the comments on twitter and instagram calling him a rapist and being racist towards him did that.Chunes said:
There were some of us. There were not huge amounts. The general consensus was that he was shit and could be replaced. Hence why KAG has nothing good to say about us these days.Redrobo said:
Excuse me! Please go and do some research on who said what. You will probably find that there were a huge amount of fans that loved KAG and defended him when things were not going so well.Chunes said:Strange that Bonne has so much more of a a fan club on this forum than KAG ever did. And KAG was a much better player.
Don't want to derail this into a KAG discussion. The point was that he and Bonne are held to very different standards.0 -
His manager at Hudds commented that he said he was never rated here. I'm sure it's probably both and it's just another fascet to this bizarre relationship many fans had with him.Dazzler21 said:
I think the comments on twitter and instagram calling him a rapist and being racist towards him did that.Chunes said:
There were some of us. There were not huge amounts. The general consensus was that he was shit and could be replaced. Hence why KAG has nothing good to say about us these days.Redrobo said:
Excuse me! Please go and do some research on who said what. You will probably find that there were a huge amount of fans that loved KAG and defended him when things were not going so well.Chunes said:Strange that Bonne has so much more of a a fan club on this forum than KAG ever did. And KAG was a much better player.
Don't want to derail this into a KAG discussion. The point was that he and Bonne are held to very different standards.
On your comment of different standards, Karlan was given what 3 seasons before he came good? He was one of our own which meant people actually gave him more time than the likes of Churchinho to come good.
When he did it was a huge relief, but Karlan spent those 3 seasons in the Championship and League 1
Bonne has come from playing against the likes of Sutton and Braintree. Of course he's going to be more raw. His longest spell of games was in the National League.
It will be pointless to go into a discussion comparing being an 18-year-old thrown in at the deep end or a more mature player coming from the non-leagues in terms of rawness.
It's just lucky for Bonne he has such a fan club, eh?
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Just to add to the differing levels of expectations based on ages and goals:
Karlan Grant
Breakthrough Age & Date 17 years 23 days on Sept 30th 2014 vs Norwich City in the Championship
Season, Played, Goals, Assists
14/15, 6, 0, 0
15/16, 23, 2, 0 (1ps)
16/17, 12, 0, 1
17/18, 46, 13, 2
18/19, 42, 18, 6 (3ps)
19/20, 44, 19, 4 (6ps)
20/21 Allegedly refusing to play
Totals P173, G53, A15 (10 penalties)(GPG 0.306)
Macaulay Bonne
Breakthrough Age & Date 17 years, 11 months, 26 days on Oct 22nd 2013 vs Shrewsbury in League 1
Season, Played, Goals, Assists
13/14, 15, 3, 0
14/15, 10, 1, 1
15/16, 37, 9, 0
16/17, 37, 3, 0
17/18, 45, 22, 5 (5Ps)
18/19, 46, 23, 4 (6Ps)
19/20 34, 11, 3
20/21 5, 1, 0
Totals P229, G73, A12 (11 Penalties) (GPG 0.318)
How can you not have differing expectations of players when one breaks through in the Championship aged just 17 and the other in League 1 almost a year older?
It is obvious that Karlan is the better striker, probably because he has the arrogance the best forwards have. Bonne seems to be a confidence player that Bowyer has made clear is raw and requires a lot of work. One thing I don't see Bonne doing is refusing to play... Even to his agents annoyance.5 -
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All this talk about holding onto Bonne really shows our current plight. The last striker we spoke of that we couldn't afford to let go was slightly a different level all together.1
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I thought he scored in the Championship against both Leeds and West Brom, the top 2 automatically promoted?Dazzler21 said:Chunes said:
There were some of us. There were not huge amounts. The general consensus was that he was shit and could be replaced. Hence why KAG has nothing good to say about us these days.Redrobo said:
Excuse me! Please go and do some research on who said what. You will probably find that there were a huge amount of fans that loved KAG and defended him when things were not going so well.Chunes said:Strange that Bonne has so much more of a a fan club on this forum than KAG ever did. And KAG was a much better player.
Don't want to derail this into a KAG discussion. The point was that he and Bonne are held to very different standards.
Bonne has come from playing against the likes of Sutton and Braintree. Of course he's going to be more raw. His longest spell of games was in the National League.1 -
Thought Washington was better than Bonne against Donny. Bonne doesn't win enough in the air for me.1
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He's for sale at the right price then (understandably as with every player).
Would the figure need to reach 7 figures before they take seriously?0 -
Apparently it already has reached that figure; £1.5m was rejected from four clubs according to one jounalistElthamaddick said:He's for sale at the right price then (understandably as with every player).
Would the figure need to reach 7 figures before they take seriously?
Although that could easily have been Agent shit stiring0 -
I can't fathom why people think Bonne is easily replaceable when he scored 11 goals in the Championship last season but then some people are weird with strikers. The only way we were able to get Bonne in the first place is because we could target a National League team and take their player for cheap. To find an equivalent player with that many goals in that league last season you would need millions. Here's some of the strikers around Bonne last season:Famara Diedhiou - 13 goals - £5.3m (club record)George Puskas - 12 goals - £7.5mBritt Assombalonga - 11 goals - £15mAshley Fletcher - 11 goals - £6.5mSure, you can also unearth gems for less, but you have to either find them in lower leagues and take a punt, like we did with Bonne, or get a player in their way down who hasn't worked out at his current club. Proven goalscorers at the level Bonne has hit are expensive as hell, and even if you don't think he's very good the idea that we could replace him with something better easily is a bit wishful. Especially as we'd currently have to offer this superstar £1,300 a week14
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Just look @ Stuart Fleetwood when we were in the ChampionshipGarrymanilow said:I can't fathom why people think Bonne is easily replaceable when he scored 11 goals in the Championship last season but then some people are weird with strikers. The only way we were able to get Bonne in the first place is because we could target a National League team and take their player for cheap. To find an equivalent player with that many goals in that league last season you would need millions. Here's some of the strikers around Bonne last season:Famara Diedhiou - 13 goals - £5.3m (club record)George Puskas - 12 goals - £7.5mBritt Assombalonga - 11 goals - £15mAshley Fletcher - 11 goals - £6.5mSure, you can also unearth gems for less, but you have to either find them in lower leagues and take a punt, like we did with Bonne, or get a player in their way down who hasn't worked out at his current club. Proven goalscorers at the level Bonne has hit are expensive as hell, and even if you don't think he's very good the idea that we could replace him with something better easily is a bit wishful. Especially as we'd currently have to offer this superstar £1,300 a week
He was two years older than Bonne but scored more goals for Forest Green
Signing players from Non-League regardless is such a risk
Would love to know the last Striker who jumped from that level to the second tier with such a successful season
(Jamie Vardy only got four goals when he moved from Fleetwood to Leicester)2 -
Jamie Vardy is an excellent example. I did a comparison between the two last season and it took Vardy a couple of years to get going, and he cost north of £1m, which was a non-league record in 2012. We spent £1.5m on Izale bloody Mcleod after he'd had a couple of good seasons in L1 and L2 back in 2007, and he went on to score one Championship goal in his entire career.ForeverAddickted said:
Just look @ Stuart Fleetwood when we were in the ChampionshipGarrymanilow said:I can't fathom why people think Bonne is easily replaceable when he scored 11 goals in the Championship last season but then some people are weird with strikers. The only way we were able to get Bonne in the first place is because we could target a National League team and take their player for cheap. To find an equivalent player with that many goals in that league last season you would need millions. Here's some of the strikers around Bonne last season:Famara Diedhiou - 13 goals - £5.3m (club record)George Puskas - 12 goals - £7.5mBritt Assombalonga - 11 goals - £15mAshley Fletcher - 11 goals - £6.5mSure, you can also unearth gems for less, but you have to either find them in lower leagues and take a punt, like we did with Bonne, or get a player in their way down who hasn't worked out at his current club. Proven goalscorers at the level Bonne has hit are expensive as hell, and even if you don't think he's very good the idea that we could replace him with something better easily is a bit wishful. Especially as we'd currently have to offer this superstar £1,300 a week
He was two years older than Bonne but scored more goals for Forest Green
Signing players from Non-League regardless is such a risk
Would love to know the last Striker who jumped from that level to the second tier with such a successful season
(Jamie Vardy only got four goals when he moved from Fleetwood to Leicester)
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What a Striker achieves before they come to Charlton is why its so irrelevantGarrymanilow said:
Jamie Vardy is an excellent example. I did a comparison between the two last season and it took Vardy a couple of years to get going, and he cost north of £1m, which was a non-league record in 2012. We spent £1.5m on Izale bloody Mcleod after he'd had a couple of good seasons in L1 and L2 back in 2007, and he went on to score one Championship goal in his entire career.ForeverAddickted said:
Just look @ Stuart Fleetwood when we were in the ChampionshipGarrymanilow said:I can't fathom why people think Bonne is easily replaceable when he scored 11 goals in the Championship last season but then some people are weird with strikers. The only way we were able to get Bonne in the first place is because we could target a National League team and take their player for cheap. To find an equivalent player with that many goals in that league last season you would need millions. Here's some of the strikers around Bonne last season:Famara Diedhiou - 13 goals - £5.3m (club record)George Puskas - 12 goals - £7.5mBritt Assombalonga - 11 goals - £15mAshley Fletcher - 11 goals - £6.5mSure, you can also unearth gems for less, but you have to either find them in lower leagues and take a punt, like we did with Bonne, or get a player in their way down who hasn't worked out at his current club. Proven goalscorers at the level Bonne has hit are expensive as hell, and even if you don't think he's very good the idea that we could replace him with something better easily is a bit wishful. Especially as we'd currently have to offer this superstar £1,300 a week
He was two years older than Bonne but scored more goals for Forest Green
Signing players from Non-League regardless is such a risk
Would love to know the last Striker who jumped from that level to the second tier with such a successful season
(Jamie Vardy only got four goals when he moved from Fleetwood to Leicester)
In recent years we've primarily looked at the stats (partly thanks to Mowgli) and gone purely on what a player has achieved before
Look at Peterborough, their recent Strikers with their goals scored the year before joining were:
Assombalonga: 15-goals on loan for Southend (from Watford)
Marriott: 8-goals for Luton
Tony: 8-goals on loan @ Shrewsbury | 4-goals on loan @ Wigan (from Newcastle)
Mo Eisa | Matt Godden | Clarke-Harris, none of them had smashed the scoring charts
But they're a club that know how to spot a Striker because (no doubt) they scout him bloody properly
Charlton fan reaction for majority of those would probably be: "Why are signing him, he's barely scored before"4
