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Has Bowyer lost it?
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I still think he’ll be here until the end of the season.2
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I don't. I think he'll be gone soon with a short term appointment until the end of the season.ShootersHillGuru said:I still think he’ll be here until the end of the season.2 -
Part of me still thinks that for whatever reason maybe he'd had enough by then and has been waiting to be paid off his million quid since.cafctom said:The first time I really felt as though everything was not right with Bowyer’s thinking was the MK Dons game at home. That’s the one where we had the return of 2,000 fans for the first time in months.
I was “lucky” enough to be there, but after freezing in the cold for about 3 hours watching a dreadful performance/1-0 defeat I was shocked to hear Bowyer come out and seemingly bring the fans “not being loud enough” as something that he was unhappy about.Being at that game probably meant I took it a bit personally, but that really was the first time I thought to myself “WTF Lee?!”
From that week on it seems like there has been at least one bland performance, ridiculous excuse, incident of poor management every week.I really can’t put my finger on what’s happened to him to be honest, but it all seemed to go south after MK Dons.
It would explain the combination of his bizarre comments, selections and formations, digging out players (plus things like Williams sub on/off etc) and his total cluelessness/dejection.
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Then you’d expect the axe to fall today. If it’s already decided then why wait.cafcfan1990 said:
I don't. I think he'll be gone soon with a short term appointment until the end of the season.ShootersHillGuru said:I still think he’ll be here until the end of the season.0 -
Yeah I think if he's still here by 3pm Saturday then that tells me TS is happy to write off this season in favour of some stability. I think some communication from the top would be good in terms of settling fans down though.ShootersHillGuru said:I still think he’ll be here until the end of the season.15 -
I agree. He may get 1-2 more games but I'd be hugely surprised if he survives until the summer. It makes sense as he's not going to turn it around now. Personally I'd rather a new manager is appointed straight away (not a caretaker) so they get to look at the team before the summer window.ShootersHillGuru said:
Then you’d expect the axe to fall today. If it’s already decided then why wait.cafcfan1990 said:
I don't. I think he'll be gone soon with a short term appointment until the end of the season.ShootersHillGuru said:I still think he’ll be here until the end of the season.1 -
The question of (assuming Bowyer does go) a short term end of season appointment vs. Bringing in the new boss now comes down to whether the right person is available now.
I would understand Jackson and/or Euell getting a "quick fix" short term contract to seasons end if that meant a better, long term appointment could be made later.
The absolute worst thing to do would make a middling, get-you-by compromise appointment just because they happen to be available right now, especially as it would take something incredibly drastic to leave the division in either direction now.1 -
It may be a little telling that TS didnt tweet at FT yesterday, his last tweet was when we went 1-0 up.
I know twitter isn't to be read into but he has tweeted at FT in every other game this season.3 -
I thought we'd get an announcement by now, but I do think he'll go today. If he doesn't go today, that probably means he's here until the end of the season & I probably won't watch any more games6
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I’d prefer a change today. A caretaker with a definite period remit until last game. Remove the gloom sadly surrounding Lee and lift the fans and players with hopefully a few better results. Certainly start the recruitment process tomorrow but cast the net wide, deep and get the best possible person. Pay the bucks. The cloud hanging over the club at present is helping nobody including Lee.cafcfan1990 said:
I agree. He may get 1-2 more games but I'd be hugely surprised if he survives until the summer. It makes sense as he's not going to turn it around now. Personally I'd rather a new manager is appointed straight away (not a caretaker) so they get to look at the team before the summer window.ShootersHillGuru said:
Then you’d expect the axe to fall today. If it’s already decided then why wait.cafcfan1990 said:
I don't. I think he'll be gone soon with a short term appointment until the end of the season.ShootersHillGuru said:I still think he’ll be here until the end of the season.3 - Sponsored links:
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If he's going to go I'd expect some kind of announcement today. Otherwise I think TS will hold until the end of the season1
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I'd take Curbs until the end of the season personally. I don't know if he still has what it takes, but it would create a huge buzz & give everyone a lift short term. If it doesn't work out, TS has time to look around & then appoint a permanent manager in the summer.
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I think it’s the build up of the shit show the last year had been prior to TS arriving. I think it’s just taken its toll and we don’t have a good enough squad/team, and he doesn’t know what to do about it. Granted he put it together, so ultimately is responsible, but I don’t think he knew how badly it would go given the players he’s got.cafctom said:The first time I really felt as though everything was not right with Bowyer’s thinking was the MK Dons game at home. That’s the one where we had the return of 2,000 fans for the first time in months.
I was “lucky” enough to be there, but after freezing in the cold for about 3 hours watching a dreadful performance/1-0 defeat I was shocked to hear Bowyer come out and seemingly bring the fans “not being loud enough” as something that he was unhappy about.Being at that game probably meant I took it a bit personally, but that really was the first time I thought to myself “WTF Lee?!”
From that week on it seems like there has been at least one bland performance, ridiculous excuse, incident of poor management every week.I really can’t put my finger on what’s happened to him to be honest, but it all seemed to go south after MK Dons.I question his tactics and team selections, but I think a large part of the reason we’re where we are is the ability of the team. He (Bowyer) is probably getting fed up with the mistakes, lashing out and is probably too early in his managerial career to have worked out how to improve this side of his game. It was backs to the wall under RD, no pressure and he achieved great things. Now it’s expectation and he set a rod for his own back achieving what he did in trying circumstances. Sad and frustrating all round really. I was hoping he was going to create a curbs Renaissance6 -
I said the same months ago.jams said:I think it is time for a change, but...
I struggle to blame bows too much. When you think of all the shit he's had to deal with when he's been here, the hammer blow of last second relegation and the bizarre way the world is at the moment, I think it's just all caught up with him and he's exhausted.
He looks to me like a man who needs a good long break away from football. He looks burnt out, don't forget there was barely even an off season.
He needed at least a month off at the end of last season, but that's not possible in football, especially the last close season. He's mentally shot and needs some time off.10 -
then get rid now, appoint Euell till end of season, nothing to lose but maybe everything to gain?AFKABartram said:
I speculated above it on potentially whyBR7_addick said:
If that’s the case then why not get shot of him now and A. Start planning for next season or B. New manager boost outside chance of play offs.AFKABartram said:With that though, Saturday convinced me that regardless of what happens this week or next week, Bowyer won’t be our manager next season
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This season is over in terms of playoffs. What we need as second best to that is to lift the gloom and finish with a flourish. Sadly I don’t see that under LB now.1
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We're not going to go down so we could look for a new manager at the end of the season when we know who is available.TS needs to decide on a caretaker in the meantime or to leave Lee in charge.LargeAddick said:
then get rid now, appoint Euell till end of season, nothing to lose but maybe everything to gain?AFKABartram said:
I speculated above it on potentially whyBR7_addick said:
If that’s the case then why not get shot of him now and A. Start planning for next season or B. New manager boost outside chance of play offs.AFKABartram said:With that though, Saturday convinced me that regardless of what happens this week or next week, Bowyer won’t be our manager next season
I don't think things can be turned around this season based on who is available. I still don't understand what has gone so wrong with LB this season...0 -
Euell has turned it down before hasn’t he? Not certain he would want it now, he’s worked pretty hard on his coaching career that his first job in management probably deserves to be something better than a caretaker job he’s turned down previously.LargeAddick said:
then get rid now, appoint Euell till end of season, nothing to lose but maybe everything to gain?AFKABartram said:
I speculated above it on potentially whyBR7_addick said:
If that’s the case then why not get shot of him now and A. Start planning for next season or B. New manager boost outside chance of play offs.AFKABartram said:With that though, Saturday convinced me that regardless of what happens this week or next week, Bowyer won’t be our manager next seasonThere’s only one man that we should be considering as interim manager, Keith Peacock.2 -
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Dont get the fascination with a caretaker till the end of the seasonhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
We're not going to go down so we could look for a new manager at the end of the season when we know who is available.TS needs to decide on a caretaker in the meantime or to leave Lee in charge.LargeAddick said:
then get rid now, appoint Euell till end of season, nothing to lose but maybe everything to gain?AFKABartram said:
I speculated above it on potentially whyBR7_addick said:
If that’s the case then why not get shot of him now and A. Start planning for next season or B. New manager boost outside chance of play offs.AFKABartram said:With that though, Saturday convinced me that regardless of what happens this week or next week, Bowyer won’t be our manager next season
I don't think things can be turned around this season based on who is available. I still don't understand what has gone so wrong with LB this season...
All its going to do is set us back come the summer, another period of potentially missing out on key signings because we dont have a permanent Manager in place - Remember when we got Bent, we got him because we moved quicker than everyone else the moment the transfer window opened. How can we do that when we cant even offer players (even if its Gallen doing the signing) assurances that the new Manager will even want them?
Only reason for giving Jackson or Euell the caretaker job is with the potential of them having it full-time
But then as others have said, giving it to Jackson and are you really changing that much
This season has gone, lets not waste next season by dithering over decisions... Its why Sandgaard almost needs to come out with the vote of confidence and confirm that Bowyer will be here come the start of next season at the very least, or he goes now - I fear we're so paranoid (maybe the wrong word) about getting the right manager that we could end up being down here even longer than we need to1 - Sponsored links:
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Is ts up yet? Maybe he wanted to sleep on it, maybe he is like most on here, desperate for bowyer to succeed. Sleep on it and decide today could be an option.Gravesend_Addick said:I thought we'd get an announcement by now, but I do think he'll go today. If he doesn't go today, that probably means he's here until the end of the season & I probably won't watch any more games1 -
Watson and Pratley, undroppable by Bowyer, are supportive of him? How surprising...
Some real naivety by our fans. A countless others have said, the evidence to back up J Block is seen on the pitch week in, week out.1 -
During the post match interview with LB I just felt sorry for the guy and wished that they would end the interview as he clearly is at the end of his tether. As has been said he has not has a rest since the beginning of the Championship season and is clearly knackered. May be the best thing to do is put him on gardening leave for the rest of the season and let some one else within the club coach the players, be it JJ,Euell or bring in Curbs or Brown or ......? Then bring LB back at season end.
Either that or sack him and bring in a whole new management team who are not Charlton
Just don't leave LB there to suffers he doesn't deserve that.1 -
Agree with this. If he doesn't go before Saturday, then he's clearly got until the end of the season.ShootersHillGuru said:
Then you’d expect the axe to fall today. If it’s already decided then why wait.cafcfan1990 said:
I don't. I think he'll be gone soon with a short term appointment until the end of the season.ShootersHillGuru said:I still think he’ll be here until the end of the season.1 -
I have been banging this drum for months. I don't see why it can't happen in football. I doubt Bowyer has had a week off, I mean a proper week off since the play off final.Covered End said:
I said the same months ago.jams said:I think it is time for a change, but...
I struggle to blame bows too much. When you think of all the shit he's had to deal with when he's been here, the hammer blow of last second relegation and the bizarre way the world is at the moment, I think it's just all caught up with him and he's exhausted.
He looks to me like a man who needs a good long break away from football. He looks burnt out, don't forget there was barely even an off season.
He needed at least a month off at the end of last season, but that's not possible in football, especially the last close season. He's mentally shot and needs some time off.
The last time he had any meanful time off was probably after the shewsbury game when he didn't know if he had a job or not.
It's not healthy. Lee is far from the only manager that has got in a rut like this. Very few ever get out of it. It's going to cost Thomas a million quid ish to sack him and it could have probably have been avoided with 2 weeks holiday in October.2 -
I am a huge Bowyer fan, last night was the most dejected I've been for a while regarding our results. I can't get my head around the formation and getting Deji to play in the 'Sheffield United overlapping centre back' role (although he did pretty well at it). Back to basics, 4-4-2 / 4-3-3 and let's start getting some points together. He has made some odd decisions, there's no getting away from that. But we've seen what he can do and it wasn't long ago he was the best thing since sliced bread and a tactical genius when we were climbing the Championship. I knew this year was going to be a write off, but I didn't expect it to be this painful4
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Now the season is at the stage of what it is... Would you consider telling Bowyer to have a two week break, giving the reigns to Jackson and then in two weeks time see if Bowyer comes back refreshed and is a better Manager as a result?Cafc43v3r said:
I have been banging this drum for months. I don't see why it can't happen in football. I doubt Bowyer has had a week off, I mean a proper week off since the play off final.Covered End said:
I said the same months ago.jams said:I think it is time for a change, but...
I struggle to blame bows too much. When you think of all the shit he's had to deal with when he's been here, the hammer blow of last second relegation and the bizarre way the world is at the moment, I think it's just all caught up with him and he's exhausted.
He looks to me like a man who needs a good long break away from football. He looks burnt out, don't forget there was barely even an off season.
He needed at least a month off at the end of last season, but that's not possible in football, especially the last close season. He's mentally shot and needs some time off.
The last time he had any meanful time off was probably after the shewsbury game when he didn't know if he had a job or not.
It's not healthy. Lee is far from the only manager that has got in a rut like this. Very few ever get out of it. It's going to cost Thomas a million quid ish to sack him and it could have probably have been avoided with 2 weeks holiday in October.0 -
whatever is in the pipeline, surely a change is required, could appoint Jacko as interim manager0
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In principle yes, but I think the damage has been done now.ForeverAddickted said:
Now the season is at the stage of what it is... Would you consider telling Bowyer to have a two week break, giving the reigns to Jackson and then in two weeks time see if Bowyer comes back refreshed and is a better Manager as a result?Cafc43v3r said:
I have been banging this drum for months. I don't see why it can't happen in football. I doubt Bowyer has had a week off, I mean a proper week off since the play off final.Covered End said:
I said the same months ago.jams said:I think it is time for a change, but...
I struggle to blame bows too much. When you think of all the shit he's had to deal with when he's been here, the hammer blow of last second relegation and the bizarre way the world is at the moment, I think it's just all caught up with him and he's exhausted.
He looks to me like a man who needs a good long break away from football. He looks burnt out, don't forget there was barely even an off season.
He needed at least a month off at the end of last season, but that's not possible in football, especially the last close season. He's mentally shot and needs some time off.
The last time he had any meanful time off was probably after the shewsbury game when he didn't know if he had a job or not.
It's not healthy. Lee is far from the only manager that has got in a rut like this. Very few ever get out of it. It's going to cost Thomas a million quid ish to sack him and it could have probably have been avoided with 2 weeks holiday in October.
If Thomas came out and said he is here for the long term, regardless, 100% I would support a 2 or 3 week break.2 -
can't speak for others but I'm suggesting a caretaker only in the scenario AFKA suggested whereby a new manager may already have been identified but not available until the summer. If not then yes bring in a new man immediately, we have no time to waste as you quite rightly point out.ForeverAddickted said:
Dont get the fascination with a caretaker till the end of the seasonhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
We're not going to go down so we could look for a new manager at the end of the season when we know who is available.TS needs to decide on a caretaker in the meantime or to leave Lee in charge.LargeAddick said:
then get rid now, appoint Euell till end of season, nothing to lose but maybe everything to gain?AFKABartram said:
I speculated above it on potentially whyBR7_addick said:
If that’s the case then why not get shot of him now and A. Start planning for next season or B. New manager boost outside chance of play offs.AFKABartram said:With that though, Saturday convinced me that regardless of what happens this week or next week, Bowyer won’t be our manager next season
I don't think things can be turned around this season based on who is available. I still don't understand what has gone so wrong with LB this season...
All its going to do is set us back come the summer, another period of potentially missing out on key signings because we dont have a permanent Manager in place - Remember when we got Bent, we got him because we moved quicker than everyone else the moment the transfer window opened. How can we do that when we cant even offer players (even if its Gallen doing the signing) assurances that the new Manager will even want them?
Only reason for giving Jackson or Euell the caretaker job is with the potential of them having it full-time
But then as others have said, giving it to Jackson and are you really changing that much
This season has gone, lets not waste next season by dithering over decisions... Its why Sandgaard almost needs to come out with the vote of confidence and confirm that Bowyer will be here come the start of next season at the very least, or he goes now - I fear we're so paranoid (maybe the wrong word) about getting the right manager that we could end up being down here even longer than we need to
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