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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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Most of those are the kind of player Napa is referring to. A player their club doesn't want to lose.Cafc43v3r said:
Like Taylor, Lockyer, Hollands, Yann, Hunt, Di Canio?NapaAddick said:I’m not really interested in players who were so bad that their clubs released them. I am more interested in getting players their clubs don’t want to lose.
I mean who would want players like that.......
Taylor, Lockyer, Hunt and Hollands were wanted by their clubs but chose to leave.1 -
But they were still released. He isn't the first person to equate free with not wanted.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Most of those are the kind of player Napa is referring to. A player their club doesn't want to lose.Cafc43v3r said:
Like Taylor, Lockyer, Hollands, Yann, Hunt, Di Canio?NapaAddick said:I’m not really interested in players who were so bad that their clubs released them. I am more interested in getting players their clubs don’t want to lose.
I mean who would want players like that.......
Taylor, Lockyer, Hunt and Hollands were wanted by their clubs but chose to leave.0 -
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"Released" is the wrong word. Their contract comes to an end. Sometimes clubs want the players to leave (not good enough/wages too high/ new manager doesn't rate them) and so happy for them to move on, and then sometimes clubs do all they can to keep them by offering them a new contract (maybe on better terms). A free agent is a free agent. Free from any contract & free to sign for whoever offers them what they are looking for.Cafc43v3r said:
But they were still released. He isn't the first person to equate free with not wanted.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Most of those are the kind of player Napa is referring to. A player their club doesn't want to lose.Cafc43v3r said:
Like Taylor, Lockyer, Hollands, Yann, Hunt, Di Canio?NapaAddick said:I’m not really interested in players who were so bad that their clubs released them. I am more interested in getting players their clubs don’t want to lose.
I mean who would want players like that.......
Taylor, Lockyer, Hunt and Hollands were wanted by their clubs but chose to leave.6 -
There is a clear difference between players being released and players who are available on a free because they won't sign a new deal with their current clubs though. I'm not saying Napa is 100% correct but I get the point.Cafc43v3r said:
But they were still released. He isn't the first person to equate free with not wanted.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Most of those are the kind of player Napa is referring to. A player their club doesn't want to lose.Cafc43v3r said:
Like Taylor, Lockyer, Hollands, Yann, Hunt, Di Canio?NapaAddick said:I’m not really interested in players who were so bad that their clubs released them. I am more interested in getting players their clubs don’t want to lose.
I mean who would want players like that.......
Taylor, Lockyer, Hunt and Hollands were wanted by their clubs but chose to leave.0 -
That's a bit of an exaggeration, the Soviet's plans managed to ruin the harvest and their collectivisation of the farms caused a lot of famine.addick1956 said:
We won't but I hope TS does or our 5 year plan will be like the Soviet 5 year economic plans which just rolled on and achieved sod all on the economic front.cabbles said:Does anyone know if we are likely to have funds available for transfer fees this summer, or are we looking at mainly signing frees?2 -
Have they taken steppes to avoid it happening again?11
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I'd guess Piggott (spelling?) is on AFC's released list because he told them adamantly he won't sign a new contract, not because they wanted rid of him. How many others are in that situation?NapaAddick said:I’m not really interested in players who were so bad that their clubs released them. I am more interested in getting players their clubs don’t want to lose.1 -
FFS, only on CL can a football transfer rumours thread turn into a discussion about Soviet agricultural policy31
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But you never really know, why. You can guess, some times the player comes out and says they won't sign a new contract.golfaddick said:
"Released" is the wrong word. Their contract comes to an end. Sometimes clubs want the players to leave (not good enough/wages too high/ new manager doesn't rate them) and so happy for them to move on, and then sometimes clubs do all they can to keep them by offering them a new contract (maybe on better terms). A free agent is a free agent. Free from any contract & free to sign for whoever offers them what they are looking for.Cafc43v3r said:
But they were still released. He isn't the first person to equate free with not wanted.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Most of those are the kind of player Napa is referring to. A player their club doesn't want to lose.Cafc43v3r said:
Like Taylor, Lockyer, Hollands, Yann, Hunt, Di Canio?NapaAddick said:I’m not really interested in players who were so bad that their clubs released them. I am more interested in getting players their clubs don’t want to lose.
I mean who would want players like that.......
Taylor, Lockyer, Hunt and Hollands were wanted by their clubs but chose to leave.
If any of the players we have offered new contracts to don't sign them it will be a mixture of:
Good, I hope we only offered a pay cut.
Never really rated him and I don't think x and y really wanted him anyway.
He was shit anyway
He rejected it because we offered him a part time wage, or some other bollocks.
If a player is over 23 (I think it's 23) there is no benefit to their current club to offer them a contract they know they won't sign.0 -
TBF the 5 year plans also modernised the Soviet economy enough to fight (and eventually win) WW2- that wouldn't have been possible without the 5 year plans. If I remember correctly I think they had a GDP growth of 8% throughout that (can't remember if that's on average or in specific years).AddicksAddict said:
That's a bit of an exaggeration, the Soviet's plans managed to ruin the harvest and their collectivisation of the farms caused a lot of famine.addick1956 said:
We won't but I hope TS does or our 5 year plan will be like the Soviet 5 year economic plans which just rolled on and achieved sod all on the economic front.cabbles said:Does anyone know if we are likely to have funds available for transfer fees this summer, or are we looking at mainly signing frees?
Not saying it was a good policy of course as you rightly pointed out the effect on the agricultural community was horrific for one4 -
The five year plans took the soviet economy from a peasant one to one that by the 1950’s was able to become the second most powerful nation on Earth but the human cost was barbaric.7
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As if this thread couldn't get any more dull, we've found a way.....24
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Two friends from Moscow who hasn't seen each other since the end communist rule, 15 years ago, meet in bar by chance and they go for a drink. They talking about the old times and one tells the other:
-"Did yo see? Everything they told us about communism was a lie!"
-Yeah! And that is not even the worse part! Everything they told us about capitalism was the truth!
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Exactly, the terminology isn't great as it covers a number of scenarios, e.g.golfaddick said:
"Released" is the wrong word. Their contract comes to an end. Sometimes clubs want the players to leave (not good enough/wages too high/ new manager doesn't rate them) and so happy for them to move on, and then sometimes clubs do all they can to keep them by offering them a new contract (maybe on better terms). A free agent is a free agent. Free from any contract & free to sign for whoever offers them what they are looking for.Cafc43v3r said:
But they were still released. He isn't the first person to equate free with not wanted.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Most of those are the kind of player Napa is referring to. A player their club doesn't want to lose.Cafc43v3r said:
Like Taylor, Lockyer, Hollands, Yann, Hunt, Di Canio?NapaAddick said:I’m not really interested in players who were so bad that their clubs released them. I am more interested in getting players their clubs don’t want to lose.
I mean who would want players like that.......
Taylor, Lockyer, Hunt and Hollands were wanted by their clubs but chose to leave.
1) The club is desperate to keep the player and makes him a fantastic offer, but he still turns it down
2) The club doesn't make the player an offer and releases him, but only because they know (from the player's agent) that his wage demands will be way over their budget and it's not worth even trying to keep the player
3) The club makes the player a middling offer, of the sort which suggests they don't mind whether the player stays or goes. If the player rejects it, he is released
4) The club makes a young player an offer but only so that he doesn't leave for nothing (that's what we did with Fosu)
5) The club makes the player a derisory offer, which is a way of telling him to leave
6) The club doesn't make the player an offer and releases them, because they're not wanted
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Haha ...... just to think some of us are nervous at a time when the players are on holiday and there's no games.Maccn05 said:I think what even this early period of the summer is showing is this league could be bloody hard this season and we may end up really regretting not making the Bowyer / Adkins change a bit earlier
Basically it looks flipping tough and if we don't get our recruitment right and match the above we could be stuck for years again. I'm not worried yet as it's super early but hearing Stockley linked with Pompey does give me an 'uh oh' feeling given it was rumored to be already done.
A couple of impressive singings this week would really settle the nerves
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killerandflash said:
Exactly, the terminology isn't great as it covers a number of scenarios, e.g.golfaddick said:
"Released" is the wrong word. Their contract comes to an end. Sometimes clubs want the players to leave (not good enough/wages too high/ new manager doesn't rate them) and so happy for them to move on, and then sometimes clubs do all they can to keep them by offering them a new contract (maybe on better terms). A free agent is a free agent. Free from any contract & free to sign for whoever offers them what they are looking for.Cafc43v3r said:
But they were still released. He isn't the first person to equate free with not wanted.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Most of those are the kind of player Napa is referring to. A player their club doesn't want to lose.Cafc43v3r said:
Like Taylor, Lockyer, Hollands, Yann, Hunt, Di Canio?NapaAddick said:I’m not really interested in players who were so bad that their clubs released them. I am more interested in getting players their clubs don’t want to lose.
I mean who would want players like that.......
Taylor, Lockyer, Hunt and Hollands were wanted by their clubs but chose to leave.
1) The club is desperate to keep the player and makes him a fantastic offer, but he still turns it down
2) The club doesn't make the player an offer and releases him, but only because they know (from the player's agent) that his wage demands will be way over their budget and it's not worth even trying to keep the player
3) The club makes the player a middling offer, of the sort which suggests they don't mind whether the player stays or goes. If the player rejects it, he is released
4) The club makes a young player an offer but only so that he doesn't leave for nothing (that's what we did with Fosu)
5) The club makes the player a derisory offer, which is a way of telling him to leave
6) The club doesn't make the player an offer and releases them, because they're not wanted
7) The club makes an offer to a superb young player then withdraws it and makes a new offer worth half the players current wage, which the player turns down and moves to Scotland.6 -
From a pompey paper
Charlton not happy with his agent or PNE .... saying they have a gentleman’s agreement fee wages agent fee before player went of on family holiday and there understanding is that’s still in place for the player to sign on his return .... ??
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Had a nice chat with Nathan Baxter when he came to watch our first XI on Saturday. Said he was looking Championship this year. Also introduced him to my 3rd XI teammate who's an Accrington fan, which I considered my good deed for the day. This isn't a Charlton rumour obviously, although I suspect he'd come here if Amos doesn't sign.1
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Gentleman's agreement eh,, always dodgy ground unfortunately, be nice if trust and understanding does prevail, but these agents, well, can you actually trust them, i dunnoRonnieMoore said:From a pompey paper
Charlton not happy with his agent or PNE .... saying they have a gentleman’s agreement fee wages agent fee before player went of on family holiday and there understanding is that’s still in place for the player to sign on his return .... ??1 -
Tbh, looking at the content of the rumours I think the 5 year plan discussion has made it more interesting.ValleyGary said:As if this thread couldn't get any more dull, we've found a way.....2 -
It doesn't necessarily work that way these days ..... Remember, some of the best deals are for 'free'.eastterrace6168 said:
Well, it would be a pretty poor show and a possible negative reflection on Thomas if all we can get are frees and loans, sounds like the ESI days, which is not where we want to be if we are supposed to be promotion candidates.cabbles said:Does anyone know if we are likely to have funds available for transfer fees this summer, or are we looking at mainly signing frees?
Good players become available because they are at the end of their contracts.
And with no transfer fee involved, can be offered higher wages.
Players are often released, not because they are suddenly useless, but because at the end of his contract the player thinks he can better himself elsewhere, play at a higher level, move for family reasons.
It's a symptom of today. Think Lyle Taylor last year or Joe Aribo the year before. The records show they were released from Charlton.
And there's always freebies and bargains to be picked up from relegated or distressed clubs: think back to how we lost Tom Lockyer to Luton at the beginning of last season.
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I thought Peter Cordwell was Sports Editor at the Kentish Independent until that newspaper closed in 1984?Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
Cordwell was the guy at the MercuryOggy Red said:
Peter Cordwell was Sports Editor, wasn't he?Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
Peter Burrowes at the K.I. surely.Oggy Red said:
Yeah, exactly. I can't wait to read all about Charlton's new signings when I buy the "Kentish Independent" on Thursdays.SexyDave said:Perhaps with the season just finishing a lot of the players have been on their holidays?! It's like everyone is part of the millennial generation where they need everything here and now at the click of a button.
Peter Cordwell always had all the hot stories and snippets.
Scoop was a 'mere' reporter, spending half of his time moonlighting for LBC Radio.
I think.
Joined the Mercury when he needed a new job?
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Curbs told some tales of nicking players from under the noses of other clubs. Our position on that was good on him. If Stockley has more than us wanting to sign him, we have to persuade him it is us he should sign for and that is usually, but not always about money.eastterrace6168 said:
Gentleman's agreement eh,, always dodgy ground unfortunately, be nice if trust and understanding does prevail, but these agents, well, can you actually trust them, i dunnoRonnieMoore said:From a pompey paper
Charlton not happy with his agent or PNE .... saying they have a gentleman’s agreement fee wages agent fee before player went of on family holiday and there understanding is that’s still in place for the player to sign on his return .... ??2 -
Think about Yann KOggy Red said:
It doesn't necessarily work that way these days ..... Remember, some of the best deals are for 'free'.eastterrace6168 said:
Well, it would be a pretty poor show and a possible negative reflection on Thomas if all we can get are frees and loans, sounds like the ESI days, which is not where we want to be if we are supposed to be promotion candidates.cabbles said:Does anyone know if we are likely to have funds available for transfer fees this summer, or are we looking at mainly signing frees?
Good players become available because they are at the end of their contracts.
And with no transfer fee involved, can be offered higher wages.
Players are often released, not because they are suddenly useless, but because at the end of his contract the player thinks he can better himself elsewhere, play at a higher level, move for family reasons.
It's a symptom of today. Think Lyle Taylor last year or Joe Aribo the year before. The records show they were released from Charlton.
And there's always freebies and bargains to be picked up from relegated or distressed clubs: think back to how we lost Tom Lockyer to Luton at the beginning of last season.0 -
Seems naive if true.RonnieMoore said:From a pompey paper
Charlton not happy with his agent or PNE .... saying they have a gentleman’s agreement fee wages agent fee before player went of on family holiday and there understanding is that’s still in place for the player to sign on his return .... ??0 -
If it is true. Wouldn't be surprised if the agent is still trying to get a better deal, especially if he or she has the back up of the Charlton deal already on the table.charlton_hero said:
Seems naive if true.RonnieMoore said:From a pompey paper
Charlton not happy with his agent or PNE .... saying they have a gentleman’s agreement fee wages agent fee before player went of on family holiday and there understanding is that’s still in place for the player to sign on his return .... ??
But verbal agreements aren't worth the paper they are written on.
If the deal is not 100% done, then it's 0% done
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The agent's job is to get their client the best possible deal, no more or less than that. If there is no legally binding contract saying otherwise then not only are they within their rights to keep looking, but it would be expected of them.Henry Irving said:
If it is true. Wouldn't be surprised if the agent is still trying to get a better deal, especially if he or she has the back up of the Charlton deal already on the table.charlton_hero said:
Seems naive if true.RonnieMoore said:From a pompey paper
Charlton not happy with his agent or PNE .... saying they have a gentleman’s agreement fee wages agent fee before player went of on family holiday and there understanding is that’s still in place for the player to sign on his return .... ??
But verbal agreements aren't worth the paper they are written on.
If the deal is not 100% done, then it's 0% done
WIOTOS1
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