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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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This has to be the most repetitive thread of all time. The takeover thread was better than this.27
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Loans got us out of this division last time. They can do it again.golfaddick said:
This...100%.Davo53 said:There is some people on here waiting and hoping that we get loans from premier league clubs and hoping for promotion.If that happens all well and good,but then the players go back to their respective clubs and we go crashing back down to league 1.The only way to progress is to spend money on class players tie them down on 3 year contracts ,that’s called stability. You can’t bank too heavily on the youngsters coming through ,although it’s great to see that happen,realistically you will only get one or two of them will be good enough to cut the mustard.
I’d much rather we carefully selected good loans than whacked 3 year contracts on multiple players. Great if it pays off, but that’s also how you bankrupt a football club.I bet Derby fans over the last few years have loved all their transfer activity. Look at them now.
This isn’t football manager, you can’t just run around hoovering up the best talent and expect it to turn out OK. I know Ipswich are doing it and that is probably where the frustration is coming from. But I can’t see how their model is sustainable.
After years of mismanagement, I think we are doing the right thing by building slowly and methodically.8 -
addick1956 said:
When I said that 5 weeks and more ago I got pelted. Something has changed since TS and NA made those claims . Realism may have bitten a bit. However it is strange only one player we were interested in January time has been procured.golfaddick said:Not turning out to be the summer rebuild we all thought.
All very odd in a way because neither TS or NA are given to over statement.
Adkins wasn’t in charge in January though. It is totally possible that he isn’t interested in the players that Bowyer was. Clubs don’t just make a list and stick with it come what may.2 -
Because we've got a different manager with a different footballing outlook.addick1956 said:
When I said that 5 weeks and more ago I got pelted. Something has changed since TS and NA made those claims . Realism may have bitten a bit. However it is strange only one player we were interested in January time has been procured.golfaddick said:Not turning out to be the summer rebuild we all thought.
All very odd in a way because neither TS or NA are given to over statement.
Jeez, it's not hard to think sometimes7 -
We have told Chelsea we want himCafcSteve said:
What’s happened to Maatsen mate as you’ve been saying for months now that he was returning?RonnieMoore said:NA and TS have very little to do with recruitment of the players .. NA will supply a list of targets to SG and his team and TS supplies the budget .. and that’s it then it’s down to SG to get the players in ..
we heard that last night NA could not give a definite answer about LB or Gomas because he has to speak to SG …
back on loan .. but they want him to go to championship, if that don’t happen then expect him back at CAFC …. He is recovering from COVID2 -
That what Ipswich are doing if they go up lot of there signings never played above league one .. big riskLaddick01 said:
Loans got us out of this division last time. They can do it again.golfaddick said:
This...100%.Davo53 said:There is some people on here waiting and hoping that we get loans from premier league clubs and hoping for promotion.If that happens all well and good,but then the players go back to their respective clubs and we go crashing back down to league 1.The only way to progress is to spend money on class players tie them down on 3 year contracts ,that’s called stability. You can’t bank too heavily on the youngsters coming through ,although it’s great to see that happen,realistically you will only get one or two of them will be good enough to cut the mustard.
I’d much rather we carefully selected good loans than whacked 3 year contracts on multiple players. Great if it pays off, but that’s also how you bankrupt a football club.I bet Derby fans over the last few years have loved all their transfer activity. Look at them now.
This isn’t football manager, you can’t just run around hoovering up the best talent and expect it to turn out OK. I know Ipswich are doing it and that is probably where the frustration is coming from. But I can’t see how their model is sustainable.
After years of mismanagement, I think we are doing the right thing by building slowly and methodically.0 -
For some people, it’s more important to post constantly, rather than think about what they’re typing.Rothko said:
Because we've got a different manager with a different footballing outlook.addick1956 said:
When I said that 5 weeks and more ago I got pelted. Something has changed since TS and NA made those claims . Realism may have bitten a bit. However it is strange only one player we were interested in January time has been procured.golfaddick said:Not turning out to be the summer rebuild we all thought.
All very odd in a way because neither TS or NA are given to over statement.
Jeez, it's not hard to think sometimes14 -
Its like your falling down a hill out of control when you know you should be at the top of it... Its impossible to get back up mid roll and start running back upwards - Instead you have to get yourself under control, stop and then you can start the climb back up.Laddick01 said:
Loans got us out of this division last time. They can do it again.golfaddick said:
This...100%.Davo53 said:There is some people on here waiting and hoping that we get loans from premier league clubs and hoping for promotion.If that happens all well and good,but then the players go back to their respective clubs and we go crashing back down to league 1.The only way to progress is to spend money on class players tie them down on 3 year contracts ,that’s called stability. You can’t bank too heavily on the youngsters coming through ,although it’s great to see that happen,realistically you will only get one or two of them will be good enough to cut the mustard.
I’d much rather we carefully selected good loans than whacked 3 year contracts on multiple players. Great if it pays off, but that’s also how you bankrupt a football club.I bet Derby fans over the last few years have loved all their transfer activity. Look at them now.
This isn’t football manager, you can’t just run around hoovering up the best talent and expect it to turn out OK. I know Ipswich are doing it and that is probably where the frustration is coming from. But I can’t see how their model is sustainable.
After years of mismanagement, I think we are doing the right thing by building slowly and methodically.
I know people will ask how long do we think its acceptable to stand there brushing ourselves down before we start the climb back up, and they are right
Returning to the aspect of the Football club, I imagine COVID (no fans / no revenue) has delayed that... Sandgaard of course knew that when he purchased the club, but thank god he still decided to invest when he did.6 -
He has gone to Coventry..... Why are you still talking about it?RonnieMoore said:
We have told Chelsea we want himCafcSteve said:
What’s happened to Maatsen mate as you’ve been saying for months now that he was returning?RonnieMoore said:NA and TS have very little to do with recruitment of the players .. NA will supply a list of targets to SG and his team and TS supplies the budget .. and that’s it then it’s down to SG to get the players in ..
we heard that last night NA could not give a definite answer about LB or Gomas because he has to speak to SG …
back on loan .. but they want him to go to championship, if that don’t happen then expect him back at CAFC …. He is recovering from COVID4 -
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I dont get all the negativity at the moment. From what I have seen so far the team are playing a far more cohesive style of football and look to be performing well. Sure we need some extra players for strength in depth but some of the meltdowns on here based on not signing certain players that are actually worse than we already have is getting tedious10
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I suppose this is just a unique circumstance - players and managers have been used to certain wage expectations, but now Covid has fundamentally changed the financial situation. I would not be at all surprised if Adkins (like managers up and down the country) are furious that budgets are lower than they had been promised, and I would not be at all surprised in players holding out for the same kind of contracts that they could have had before, which might not be available anymore. It all just lends itself to an awful lot of brinkmanship.
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I'd rather we get in 4 good players at the end of August to play 41 games, than 4 average/poor players this week to play 46 games.golfaddick said:
The important date is August 7th. Start of the season. Which is 10 days away.Dazzler21 said:
5 weeks of transfer window remaining (34 days)golfaddick said:Not turning out to be the summer rebuild we all thought.
I can imagine the scenes if we started the season with just 11 players.....fans would still he chanting the mantra "the transfer window doesn't shut for another 3 weeks - what's the problem"
Also, for out of contract players there is no transfer window so might as well say we have all season.
4 Cullen/Bielik types than 4 Watson types.12 -
He hasn't actually signed yet has he?Cafc43v3r said:
He has gone to Coventry..... Why are you still talking about it?RonnieMoore said:
We have told Chelsea we want himCafcSteve said:
What’s happened to Maatsen mate as you’ve been saying for months now that he was returning?RonnieMoore said:NA and TS have very little to do with recruitment of the players .. NA will supply a list of targets to SG and his team and TS supplies the budget .. and that’s it then it’s down to SG to get the players in ..
we heard that last night NA could not give a definite answer about LB or Gomas because he has to speak to SG …
back on loan .. but they want him to go to championship, if that don’t happen then expect him back at CAFC …. He is recovering from COVID4 -
Because we have 19 first-team players currently.AndyG said:I dont get all the negativity at the moment. From what I have seen so far the team are playing a far more cohesive style of football and look to be performing well. Sure we need some extra players for strength in depth but some of the meltdowns on here based on not signing certain players that are actually worse than we already have is getting tedious
We are currently behind our promotion rivals in terms of the transfer market, that's a fact that can't really be disputed.
If you look at our first 11 + bench it wouldn't make play-offs currently.0 -
Hello foreveradickted only an idiot buys his way out of this league. Try telling that to the owner and manager of Ipswich town when there playing in the championship next season.4
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This could be a problem then, until the rule is thrown out, teams can only have a squad of 20-playersSELR_addicks said:
Because we have 19 first-team players currently.AndyG said:I dont get all the negativity at the moment. From what I have seen so far the team are playing a far more cohesive style of football and look to be performing well. Sure we need some extra players for strength in depth but some of the meltdowns on here based on not signing certain players that are actually worse than we already have is getting tedious
We are currently behind our promotion rivals in terms of the transfer market, that's a fact that can't really be disputed.
If you look at our first 11 + bench it wouldn't make play-offs currently.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12269392/pfa-threatens-efl-with-arbitration-over-squad-size-limits-for-2021-22-campaign
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Is that an ITK? Can’t find anything confirming that.Cafc43v3r said:
He has gone to Coventry..... Why are you still talking about it?RonnieMoore said:
We have told Chelsea we want himCafcSteve said:
What’s happened to Maatsen mate as you’ve been saying for months now that he was returning?RonnieMoore said:NA and TS have very little to do with recruitment of the players .. NA will supply a list of targets to SG and his team and TS supplies the budget .. and that’s it then it’s down to SG to get the players in ..
we heard that last night NA could not give a definite answer about LB or Gomas because he has to speak to SG …
back on loan .. but they want him to go to championship, if that don’t happen then expect him back at CAFC …. He is recovering from COVID0 -
Hayes only started a dozen games, became surplus to requirements and was sent out on loan that season. So, perhaps, Schwartz is our Hayes and we have yet to sign our Kermorgant!killerandflash said:
We did, as we signed Paul Hayes (in June actually)Addick Addict said:Imagine if we'd jumped in and signed a forward in July rather than wait 'til late September to sign Yann Kermorgant - who didn't actually start a game for us 'til 8th October. So, is it better to have signed the wrong players already or to wait and sign the right players in the course of the next couple of weeks?
We either trust TS, NA and SG to get things right or we don't. It seems to me that too many people on here have incredibly short memories given where we were just one year ago so far as ownership, transfer embargos and the very future of the Club is concerned.
Yann was the icing on the cake, but if we hadn't signed him, we already had a decent L1 striker in that position1 -
Doesnt look like its been confirmed by the two clubs in questionstoneroses19 said:
Is that an ITK? Can’t find anything confirming that.Cafc43v3r said:
He has gone to Coventry..... Why are you still talking about it?RonnieMoore said:
We have told Chelsea we want himCafcSteve said:
What’s happened to Maatsen mate as you’ve been saying for months now that he was returning?RonnieMoore said:NA and TS have very little to do with recruitment of the players .. NA will supply a list of targets to SG and his team and TS supplies the budget .. and that’s it then it’s down to SG to get the players in ..
we heard that last night NA could not give a definite answer about LB or Gomas because he has to speak to SG …
back on loan .. but they want him to go to championship, if that don’t happen then expect him back at CAFC …. He is recovering from COVID
https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2021/7/23/22590300/chelsea-coventry-city-agree-ian-maatsen-loan-report
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If we hadn't signed Yann we would have been a play off teamAddick Addict said:
Hayes only started a dozen games, became surplus to requirements and was sent out on loan that season. So, perhaps, Schwartz is our Hayes and we have yet to sign our Kermorgant!killerandflash said:
We did, as we signed Paul Hayes (in June actually)Addick Addict said:Imagine if we'd jumped in and signed a forward in July rather than wait 'til late September to sign Yann Kermorgant - who didn't actually start a game for us 'til 8th October. So, is it better to have signed the wrong players already or to wait and sign the right players in the course of the next couple of weeks?
We either trust TS, NA and SG to get things right or we don't. It seems to me that too many people on here have incredibly short memories given where we were just one year ago so far as ownership, transfer embargos and the very future of the Club is concerned.
Yann was the icing on the cake, but if we hadn't signed him, we already had a decent L1 striker in that position2 -
Exactly this. What was the big difference in performance and commitment between any player who signed for us on a perm of up to 3 years, and Josh Cullen's 2 years with us? Josh outperformed a lot of them, IMO.Laddick01 said:
Loans got us out of this division last time. They can do it again.golfaddick said:
This...100%.Davo53 said:There is some people on here waiting and hoping that we get loans from premier league clubs and hoping for promotion.If that happens all well and good,but then the players go back to their respective clubs and we go crashing back down to league 1.The only way to progress is to spend money on class players tie them down on 3 year contracts ,that’s called stability. You can’t bank too heavily on the youngsters coming through ,although it’s great to see that happen,realistically you will only get one or two of them will be good enough to cut the mustard.
I’d much rather we carefully selected good loans than whacked 3 year contracts on multiple players. Great if it pays off, but that’s also how you bankrupt a football club.I bet Derby fans over the last few years have loved all their transfer activity. Look at them now.
This isn’t football manager, you can’t just run around hoovering up the best talent and expect it to turn out OK. I know Ipswich are doing it and that is probably where the frustration is coming from. But I can’t see how their model is sustainable.
After years of mismanagement, I think we are doing the right thing by building slowly and methodically.
I also saw a very pertinent tweet this morning that reminded us that he and the equally outstanding Bielik only came in towards the end of the window in our 2018-19 season, and that our bench for the first game that season was distinctly underwhelming.5 -
Hello Davo53 - Have they already been promoted then? - Blimey thats impressive!!Davo53 said:Hello foreveradickted only an idiot buys his way out of this league. Try telling that to the owner and manager of Ipswich town when there playing in the championship next season.
Given the fact the money is coming from an American Pension Fund (?)
It sounds very risky and will be extremely stupid if it doesnt pay off - Glad its not my money they're effectively gambling with13 -
Rothko said:
Because we've got a different manager with a different footballing outlook.addick1956 said:
When I said that 5 weeks and more ago I got pelted. Something has changed since TS and NA made those claims . Realism may have bitten a bit. However it is strange only one player we were interested in January time has been procured.golfaddick said:Not turning out to be the summer rebuild we all thought.
All very odd in a way because neither TS or NA are given to over statement.
Jeez, it's not hard to think sometimes
I made the exact same point two minutes before this yet I’ve got four fewer likes. Typical anti-Northern bias of this forum ffs. I’m quite literally sickened. Sickened!9 -
I’m going to have to dispute your ‘fact’.SELR_addicks said:
Because we have 19 first-team players currently.AndyG said:I dont get all the negativity at the moment. From what I have seen so far the team are playing a far more cohesive style of football and look to be performing well. Sure we need some extra players for strength in depth but some of the meltdowns on here based on not signing certain players that are actually worse than we already have is getting tedious
We are currently behind our promotion rivals in terms of the transfer market, that's a fact that can't really be disputed.
If you look at our first 11 + bench it wouldn't make play-offs currently.
Not all our presumed rivals are ahead, and that’s only if you think ahead means bringing in more bodies rather than actual quality.Ipswich, Wigan, Portsmouth and Doncaster have each brought in 2 or 3 more players than us so far.Oxford, Wednesday, Sunderland, Wycombe, Rotherham and Lincoln all have brought in the same or less players than us.3 -
Earlier you said you can't be promoted on August 7th, apparantly you can get promoted before!ForeverAddickted said:
Hello Davo53 - Have they already been promoted then? - Blimey thats impressive!!Davo53 said:Hello foreveradickted only an idiot buys his way out of this league. Try telling that to the owner and manager of Ipswich town when there playing in the championship next season.
In all seriousness though, I don't actually agree you can't get buy this league. It's not particularly good, doesn't take an awful lot to be seriously competitive. BUT, it's not our money and we can't expect that off an owner. We can ask to be competitive though, especially given Sandgaard's comments.1 -
Hello cafcfan1990 how is signing players on 3year contracts not stability???. Signing players on 1year contract and getting players on loans isn’t1
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The 2 clubs have agreed that he will go there but it's not been made 'official' yet because he's isolating because of covid and can't do the obligatory kit/scarf photos yet.cafcfan1990 said:
He hasn't actually signed yet has he?Cafc43v3r said:
He has gone to Coventry..... Why are you still talking about it?RonnieMoore said:
We have told Chelsea we want himCafcSteve said:
What’s happened to Maatsen mate as you’ve been saying for months now that he was returning?RonnieMoore said:NA and TS have very little to do with recruitment of the players .. NA will supply a list of targets to SG and his team and TS supplies the budget .. and that’s it then it’s down to SG to get the players in ..
we heard that last night NA could not give a definite answer about LB or Gomas because he has to speak to SG …
back on loan .. but they want him to go to championship, if that don’t happen then expect him back at CAFC …. He is recovering from COVID0 -
Hello Davo53, how is splashing cash in a league you are already losing a load of money in stability? It's a gamble, if it pays off you get rewarded, if you don't you are stuck with a high wage bill with players who clearly haven't done as well as you hoped. It's all about balance for me, yes sign a few top players, mixed with a few cheaper players and a couple of loans.Davo53 said:Hello cafcfan1990 how is signing players on 3year contracts not stability???. Signing players on 1year contract and getting players on loans isn’t7 -
How many promotion quality players do we have?stoneroses19 said:
I’m going to have to dispute your ‘fact’.SELR_addicks said:
Because we have 19 first-team players currently.AndyG said:I dont get all the negativity at the moment. From what I have seen so far the team are playing a far more cohesive style of football and look to be performing well. Sure we need some extra players for strength in depth but some of the meltdowns on here based on not signing certain players that are actually worse than we already have is getting tedious
We are currently behind our promotion rivals in terms of the transfer market, that's a fact that can't really be disputed.
If you look at our first 11 + bench it wouldn't make play-offs currently.
Not all our presumed rivals are ahead, and that’s only if you think ahead means bringing in more bodies rather than actual quality.Ipswich, Wigan, Portsmouth and Doncaster have each brought in 2 or 3 more players than us so far.Oxford, Wednesday, Sunderland, Wycombe, Rotherham and Lincoln all have brought in the same or less players than us.
I would say Stockley, Famewo and maybe the keeper.
Inniss will miss half the season so won't be included as the idea of Pearce filling in drops us 10+ points already.0
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