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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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No, you complete clown, that a manager as smart as Ainsworth rates the player is great, nothing to do with club size.golfaddick said:
"we are bigger than Wycombe"Rothko said:Very reassured by how annoyed Gareth Ainsworth sounded by us taking Lavelle from them on deadline day8 -
But you can’t just exclude the period where the wheels fell off. That’s the whole downside of having a manager with poor man management skills.razil said:Haha ok might have misread that slightly. my view is this seems a gamble there’s a number of players in there wii could go either way, it seems a failed convulsive strategy, and not how the team was intended to look.I don’t think we have the attacking edge we had last season, players like Aneke or Millar nor can I see NA getting as much out of players (until the wheels came off) that Bowyer did.Also don’t agree about the transfer window. For a team in League One, with reasonable budgetary constraints, I think it’s been a very good one. Yes, there are a number of players that ‘could go either way’, but when has that ever not been the case? Happens from the Premier League downwards.1 -
Oh dear……🗑razil said:All seems like not enough goals in the team to me, and too many gambles: Arter (past it?) Leko (not recovered form after major injury) Lee (a loan from a bottom championship side where he was surplus) a failed prospect who fell out of a League 2 team on a short contract, only 2 players of the recent haul being of the possible standard we might have expected.All smacks of a window that really didn’t go to plan, a failed strategy that is either malfunctioning, underfunded, badly flawed or all of the above. A desperate scramble at the end and even then still not resourced that well. Would be surprised if we get near the top six personally, but then maybe all were interested in is clean sheets.0 -
Do we tell him? I feel like we probably should but it might be upsetting.addick1956 said:
It is easy done. I do it sometimes typing on a mobile. However then not admitting it and producing another argument is annoying.Gillis said:
It's @thenewbie's fault for not being clear and putting his comment in context. If he'd wanted to avoid any misunderstanding, he could've just stuck something at the front along the lines of,addick1956 said:
True but you did say being good enough for Crewe makes Gomes unsuitable for Charlton. That then must apply to Kirk or Lowery. Gomes like one of the Crewe players scored twice ,iirc, against Charlton last year.thenewbie said:
You could say it but Crewe look much poorer this season than they have for a long time having lost a lot of their best players over the past few seasons - including Kirk. He was part of a good Crewe team, Gomes seems to have joined a sinking ship.addick1956 said:
Then one could say the same about Charlie Kirk. He was there a while.thenewbie said:
Given their performance and how things look in general at Crewe, I think it's fair to say that him being good enough for Crewe is proof he is not good enough for us (or at least, where we want to be.)mart77 said:Madger Gomes who was on trial with us, before moving on has signed a two year deal at Crewe.
"Given their performance and how things look in general at Crewe..."
If he'd wanted to make it really unambiguous, he could've gone as far as to add something at the end like,
"...(or at least, where we want to be.)"
Some posters don't help themselves when they fail to articulate their thoughts clearly.3 -
We still keep going on about not enough goals in the team and not replacing Aneke. Personally I think we have replaced him with Elliott Lee. Yes Aneke was unique by getting his off the bench but his record was 15 in a 46 game season. Lee got 6 in 18 in L1 last season, his record at Luton was averaging around 3.5. Lee is just as capable of getting into double figures as Aneke would have been by replicating last season's form. Stockley will score more than 8 in a full season and I fully expect both Leko and Kirk to get more than Millar. Washington may have limited game time so getting 11 like last season might be stretching it but wouldn't be surprised if he and DJ get more between them this season than they did last.5
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Maybe Washington makes most of his appearances from the bench, when his movement and workrate undermines tiring defences?Clarky said:We still keep going on about not enough goals in the team and not replacing Aneke.
Personally I think we have replaced him with Elliott Lee. Yes Aneke was unique by getting his off the bench but his record was 15 in a 46 game season. Lee got 6 in 18 in L1 last season, his record at Luton was averaging around 3.5. Lee is just as capable of getting into double figures as Aneke would have been by replicating last season's form. Stockley will score more than 8 in a full season and I fully expect both Leko and Kirk to get more than Millar.
Washington may have limited game time so getting 11 like last season might be stretching it but wouldn't be surprised if he and DJ get more between them this season than they did last.
I wouldn't even measure Washington's contribution purely by his own goals scored/assists statistics - especially his contribution as a team player, enabling others to score goals.
I doubt he'd score from the bench the 15 goals that Aneke did.
But he could enable others to score an equivalent number collectively.
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All this talk of replacing Aneke's is the wrong way round.
Last season our "strikers" managed just over 30 goals between them.
In 2018/19 they got about 45.
Because we only play one out and out striker its not like for like but I expect our front 4, who ever is playing, to score over 40.8 -
Aneke's goals per minutes on the pitch was what made him such an asset. Lee isn't an impact sub in the same way, his 6 in 18 was 6 in 15 starts and 3 sub appearancesClarky said:We still keep going on about not enough goals in the team and not replacing Aneke. Personally I think we have replaced him with Elliott Lee. Yes Aneke was unique by getting his off the bench but his record was 15 in a 46 game season. Lee got 6 in 18 in L1 last season, his record at Luton was averaging around 3.5. Lee is just as capable of getting into double figures as Aneke would have been by replicating last season's form. Stockley will score more than 8 in a full season and I fully expect both Leko and Kirk to get more than Millar. Washington may have limited game time so getting 11 like last season might be stretching it but wouldn't be surprised if he and DJ get more between them this season than they did last.0 -
What did Ainsworth say about Lavelle?1
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But at the same time, at least in the pre January, you need to add in the minutes of whoever played the first 30-60 minutes, because they didn't score. If that's Bogle, Smyth or someone else.killerandflash said:
Aneke's goals per minutes on the pitch was what made him such an asset. Lee isn't an impact sub in the same way, his 6 in 18 was 6 in 15 starts and 3 sub appearancesClarky said:We still keep going on about not enough goals in the team and not replacing Aneke. Personally I think we have replaced him with Elliott Lee. Yes Aneke was unique by getting his off the bench but his record was 15 in a 46 game season. Lee got 6 in 18 in L1 last season, his record at Luton was averaging around 3.5. Lee is just as capable of getting into double figures as Aneke would have been by replicating last season's form. Stockley will score more than 8 in a full season and I fully expect both Leko and Kirk to get more than Millar. Washington may have limited game time so getting 11 like last season might be stretching it but wouldn't be surprised if he and DJ get more between them this season than they did last.
Individually Aneke is impossible to replace but if you add Smyth, Bogle and Ronnie together it's only about 20 goals.
It's actually 20 goals in 88 games. Or 1 every 4.5 games. That's a goal every other game, on average from Kirk, DJ, Lee, Leko, CBT or who ever else plays in those 4 positions.3 -
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Aneke (particularly last season's Aneke) was an absolute fluke, the chance that any one player could replicate those numbers is remote to say the least. There's a very strong case that even Aneke wouldn't actually hit that level of goals-per-minute two seasons in a row based on his previous form.
When it comes down to it, the number of goals a team scores is more important than the number scored by any one player. You're better off with two players scoring six goals a season than one scoring ten.6 -
Totally agree about what you say about Aneke, my point is about those who say we haven't replaced him. How can you possibly do that 'like for like'? How many players in any league scores 15 from the bench? If he could start a game, didn't blow out his arse after 30 mins and you didn't have to manage his game time he would never have played for us and he would be at a better team than Birmingham City now. What I was trying to get at is we may have replaced his goals with Elliott Lee and the stats you mention appears to back that up.killerandflash said:
Aneke's goals per minutes on the pitch was what made him such an asset. Lee isn't an impact sub in the same way, his 6 in 18 was 6 in 15 starts and 3 sub appearancesClarky said:We still keep going on about not enough goals in the team and not replacing Aneke. Personally I think we have replaced him with Elliott Lee. Yes Aneke was unique by getting his off the bench but his record was 15 in a 46 game season. Lee got 6 in 18 in L1 last season, his record at Luton was averaging around 3.5. Lee is just as capable of getting into double figures as Aneke would have been by replicating last season's form. Stockley will score more than 8 in a full season and I fully expect both Leko and Kirk to get more than Millar. Washington may have limited game time so getting 11 like last season might be stretching it but wouldn't be surprised if he and DJ get more between them this season than they did last.0 -
Of course it’s Championship level and only a few games in, but Aneke is 223 minutes per goal (1 goal scored in 6 games) so far this season. His 102 mpg last season was phenomenal and we were never going to bring someone in who exactly replicated that.2
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Having watched Elliott Lee boss the midfield in the game against Crawley, I think we have a genuinely exciting player on our hands: if we play to his strengths I think all sorts of players will be getting on the scoresheet. Admittedly Crawley were terrible, but he looks like a proper no 1012
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Not withstanding that Aneke never seemed so effective during the games he started, compared to the impact he had against tiring defences coming off the bench.thenewbie said:Aneke (particularly last season's Aneke) was an absolute fluke, the chance that any one player could replicate those numbers is remote to say the least.
There's a very strong case that even Aneke wouldn't actually hit that level of goals-per-minute two seasons in a row based on his previous form.
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The point is not replacing Aneke's goals with a clone of Aneke, but finding them elsewhere. Which I believe we have tried to do. The team that started the season was lacking in goals so the results were hardly a surprise.1
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I still say Aneke is one of the most over rated players I’ve seen in a Charlton shirt, particularly from the fans perspective, for the record I was saying this whilst he was scoring goals off the bench etc., so not sour grapes, in fact I was chuffed he went!!😂.maybe an unpopular opinion but hey🤷🏻♂️. ( I genuinely didn’t get any joy in watching him play).4
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We are all part German.addick1956 said:
I am part German . A old custom is Schadenfreude. It allows you to feel the passion!thenewbie said:
Do we tell him? I feel like we probably should but it might be upsetting.addick1956 said:
It is easy done. I do it sometimes typing on a mobile. However then not admitting it and producing another argument is annoying.Gillis said:
It's @thenewbie's fault for not being clear and putting his comment in context. If he'd wanted to avoid any misunderstanding, he could've just stuck something at the front along the lines of,addick1956 said:
True but you did say being good enough for Crewe makes Gomes unsuitable for Charlton. That then must apply to Kirk or Lowery. Gomes like one of the Crewe players scored twice ,iirc, against Charlton last year.thenewbie said:
You could say it but Crewe look much poorer this season than they have for a long time having lost a lot of their best players over the past few seasons - including Kirk. He was part of a good Crewe team, Gomes seems to have joined a sinking ship.addick1956 said:
Then one could say the same about Charlie Kirk. He was there a while.thenewbie said:
Given their performance and how things look in general at Crewe, I think it's fair to say that him being good enough for Crewe is proof he is not good enough for us (or at least, where we want to be.)mart77 said:Madger Gomes who was on trial with us, before moving on has signed a two year deal at Crewe.
"Given their performance and how things look in general at Crewe..."
If he'd wanted to make it really unambiguous, he could've gone as far as to add something at the end like,
"...(or at least, where we want to be.)"
Some posters don't help themselves when they fail to articulate their thoughts clearly.
Well apart from the Royal family.0 -
I partially agree in that I think that his last season here was something of a purple patch and he'd never been quite so efficient before and probably won't again.paulfox said:I still say Aneke is one of the most over rated players I’ve seen in a Charlton shirt, particularly from the fans perspective, for the record I was saying this whilst he was scoring goals off the bench etc., so not sour grapes, in fact I was chuffed he went!!😂.maybe an unpopular opinion but hey🤷🏻♂️. ( I genuinely didn’t get any joy in watching him play).
That said, he had a combination of physical power and surprising skill that was definitely potent at this level.
In some ways it might be for the best that he has left if it means we end up with several different options that aren't "throw big Chuks on for the last 15" but that is remains to be seen.0 -
@ElfsborgAddick had a little bit of German in him once.blackpool72 said:
We are all part German.addick1956 said:
I am part German . A old custom is Schadenfreude. It allows you to feel the passion!thenewbie said:
Do we tell him? I feel like we probably should but it might be upsetting.addick1956 said:
It is easy done. I do it sometimes typing on a mobile. However then not admitting it and producing another argument is annoying.Gillis said:
It's @thenewbie's fault for not being clear and putting his comment in context. If he'd wanted to avoid any misunderstanding, he could've just stuck something at the front along the lines of,addick1956 said:
True but you did say being good enough for Crewe makes Gomes unsuitable for Charlton. That then must apply to Kirk or Lowery. Gomes like one of the Crewe players scored twice ,iirc, against Charlton last year.thenewbie said:
You could say it but Crewe look much poorer this season than they have for a long time having lost a lot of their best players over the past few seasons - including Kirk. He was part of a good Crewe team, Gomes seems to have joined a sinking ship.addick1956 said:
Then one could say the same about Charlie Kirk. He was there a while.thenewbie said:
Given their performance and how things look in general at Crewe, I think it's fair to say that him being good enough for Crewe is proof he is not good enough for us (or at least, where we want to be.)mart77 said:Madger Gomes who was on trial with us, before moving on has signed a two year deal at Crewe.
"Given their performance and how things look in general at Crewe..."
If he'd wanted to make it really unambiguous, he could've gone as far as to add something at the end like,
"...(or at least, where we want to be.)"
Some posters don't help themselves when they fail to articulate their thoughts clearly.
Well apart from the Royal family.1 -
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Not having that.ricky_otto said:
@ElfsborgAddick had a little bit of German in him once.blackpool72 said:
We are all part German.addick1956 said:
I am part German . A old custom is Schadenfreude. It allows you to feel the passion!thenewbie said:
Do we tell him? I feel like we probably should but it might be upsetting.addick1956 said:
It is easy done. I do it sometimes typing on a mobile. However then not admitting it and producing another argument is annoying.Gillis said:
It's @thenewbie's fault for not being clear and putting his comment in context. If he'd wanted to avoid any misunderstanding, he could've just stuck something at the front along the lines of,addick1956 said:
True but you did say being good enough for Crewe makes Gomes unsuitable for Charlton. That then must apply to Kirk or Lowery. Gomes like one of the Crewe players scored twice ,iirc, against Charlton last year.thenewbie said:
You could say it but Crewe look much poorer this season than they have for a long time having lost a lot of their best players over the past few seasons - including Kirk. He was part of a good Crewe team, Gomes seems to have joined a sinking ship.addick1956 said:
Then one could say the same about Charlie Kirk. He was there a while.thenewbie said:
Given their performance and how things look in general at Crewe, I think it's fair to say that him being good enough for Crewe is proof he is not good enough for us (or at least, where we want to be.)mart77 said:Madger Gomes who was on trial with us, before moving on has signed a two year deal at Crewe.
"Given their performance and how things look in general at Crewe..."
If he'd wanted to make it really unambiguous, he could've gone as far as to add something at the end like,
"...(or at least, where we want to be.)"
Some posters don't help themselves when they fail to articulate their thoughts clearly.
Well apart from the Royal family.1 -
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Glad the lad has passed muster! Can't wait to see him on the field...1
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Left back now sorted. Another striker in do we reckon? Or will that be it?1
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Well that puts the Roddy conspiracy to bed. Welcome Souare.PWADDICK said:12 -
bUt RoDdY22
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So pleased for him! He deserves a chance for a wonderful comeback story3
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Squad looks so much stronger now7
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