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Post-match thread: Gillingham v Charlton 21/09/2021

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  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,490
    Dazzler21 said:
    Just to clarify, I'd start the same team next game in the same formation.

    We should focus on continuity from here on out.
    So you wouldn't drop Morgan then?

    ;)
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,810
    If Adkins is shifting the blame to the recruitment team, it’s the same tale he spun at Hull. 

    As for that, 35 good minutes, then a weird half time substitution that wrecked the balance and we looked meh again.

    as for Evans, bloke shouldn’t be working in the sport 
  • Dazzler21 said:
    Just to clarify, I'd start the same team next game in the same formation.

    We should focus on continuity from here on out.
    We have had continuity and will continue to do so.

    Continuous utter wank.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    Dazzler21 said:
    Leuth said:
    Morgan was awful second half. I think I'm done with him unfortunately
    See I don't get this, how was he awful second half? He wasn't as busy as the first half, but he barely put a foot wrong.

    This isn't me saying he was fantastic or even good second half, but he was no worse than any other midfield player second half - the singling out of the 21 year old makes no sense.

    Peach of a corner for Stockley to fluff was probably his highlight of the half.

    Watson specifically plus Morgan stopped running 2nd half & we lost all momentum as the defence had no one to pass to again, that were going to create anything. 

  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,193
    I saw some promise in there. 

    Wish we hadnt/didnt have to change it at half time as washington was a constant threat. Didnt think leko got going except for 1 run. 

    Davison, blacket, watson all fantastic for me. 

    Roll on pompey. 
  • I can’t believe some people are saying that was better. It was a good first 35 mins against a terrible one dimensional side.

    We are in a relegation battle absolutely no doubt about it.
    Not even their full strength side. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,733
    edited September 2021
    We have to play with a bit more balls. We did in the first half but when they responded we went too safe too many square and backward balls and not going for the higher risk offensive ball. Morgan was a great example near the end, there was a tricky ball on that would have put a player through on goal, delayed and played a simpler ball when their defence was set. We can't continue with this cowardice. I worry we will though, especially at home where players are frightened of getting moaned at.

    First half performance was a real positive though and Washington should have scored at least one!
  • Pavoren007
    Pavoren007 Posts: 2,525
    An improvement on what we’ve seen recently, but still unconvincing. Saturday and Tuesday are two big tests and we need 4/6 points - that simple!
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    Gribbo said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Just to clarify, I'd start the same team next game in the same formation.

    We should focus on continuity from here on out.
    So you wouldn't drop Morgan then?

    ;)
    I wouldn't drop any of the starters. We need to learn to play our game, not chop and change formation based on opponents.
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  • I do not agree or disagree with everything some of our most negative fans have said tonight.
    tonight was possibly our best performance after the first home game against Sheffield Wednesday.
    and Crewe was the worst team we have played so far and not Gillingham.

    However  if we lose our next two games Adkins should be Sacked.

    But I honestly think we could beat Portsmouth on Saturday if we play for 90 minutes like we did for 45 minutes tonight.
    maybe that’s I big ask but I still think it’s possible.

  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,180
    Dazzler21 said:
    Leuth said:
    Morgan was awful second half. I think I'm done with him unfortunately
    See I don't get this, how was he awful second half? He wasn't as busy as the first half, but he barely put a foot wrong.

    This isn't me saying he was fantastic or even good second half, but he was no worse than any other midfield player second half - the singling out of the 21 year old makes no sense.

    Peach of a corner for Stockley to fluff was probably his highlight of the half.

    Watson specifically plus Morgan stopped running 2nd half & we lost all momentum as the defence had no one to pass to again, that were going to create anything. 

    Doesn’t matter what you saw with your own eyes, footmob (whatever the fuck that is) gave him a 7.5
  • Washington came off with a knock. So if you’re blaming the manager for that without knowing the full info you point is irrelevant.

    Yeah Gillingham were missing some players but the main ones I remember from last season were in there. Including the 2 players we were desperate to sign this window. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    Gillingham had 5 senior players out I read.  Bar Innis that was our strongest available squad to select from.  Started brightly and CBT was terrorising them but then not good enough to get 3 points.

    Completely deflated as have not seen anything to suggest we are going to push for a top 6 finish which is an epic failure if that's the case.

    This does not look like a team that has a promotion push in its capabilities.

    Well done to the supporters who travelled to the game and were loud throughout.
    Nowhere near our strongest totally fit 11.
    No JFC, Souare, Innis. 
    Arter, Leko, Gilbey not 90 min match fit, so there's 6 without even thinking if there's more. 
  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,193
    Agree with cheshire and 1968
  • Hasn’t taken long to lower our standards then.

    That’s not a good point, it was against a decimated and skint Gillingham who are destined to finished bottom 8.  We didn’t nick a point away to Sunderland.  Gillingham lost 1-4 at home three days ago, it’s a good point if you think they’re our relegation rivals. 

    Has it not sunk in that the only sides we look like beating are absolute shite.  

    This is the point I am less than eloquently trying to make.  Remembering back to the start of the season most seemed to have us up there and many in the autos such was the belief and expectation.  

    I thought I was being unduly negative at saying 7th.  But since then it seems that expectations have massively dropped perhaps and this is the first season in yonks that there isn't anything to blame like disarray off the pitch, money problems, injury ravaged squads etc.  

    We had a full pre season and whole window (and more given when Adkins was handed the reins) yet we've managed to beat a Crewe who are in complete disarray according to their fans, a good point v Sheff Wed and a good 35 mins at a poor Gillingham side missing half their team by all accounts.  

    I get that positivity and optimism is great but it becomes meaningless cliché when TS and Adkins churn it out in abundance hoping to paper over the cracks of a woefully underperforming/ incapable squad.

    Whilst it may appeal to many after Bowyer's dour, uber realistic approach it just feels like waffle to many of us I imagine.

    Season is looking drab and wasted mid table at best and dread to think how bad at worse if you throw in a few inevitable injuries etc.

    Need to click and fast if we are going to turn this season into anything other than a complete washout.
  • Floebot said:
    Who leaked the team line up?
    @RonnieMoore
    But it was right?
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,490
    Giving interview sitting on the toilet
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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,436
    edited September 2021
    1968CAFC said:
    I do not agree or disagree with everything some of our most negative fans have said tonight.
    tonight was possibly our best performance after the first home game against Sheffield Wednesday.
    and Crewe was the worst team we have played so far and not Gillingham.

    However  if we lose our next two games Adkins should be Sacked.

    But I honestly think we could beat Portsmouth on Saturday if we play for 90 minutes like we did for 45 minutes tonight.
    maybe that’s I big ask but I still think it’s possible.

    Portsmouth are just a "name", they're doing as shite as us if we really look into their results.

    Just managed a draw with Plymouth in the Play-Offs (they got a very late equaliser) and are lucky they had a damned easy start to the season else they'd be doing just badly as us - Fully expecting a drop in standard come Saturday.
  • AndyG said:
    On a plus side I bet £10 on lee scoring first half and another £10 bet on him scoring second half just logged onto Bob's lot and won £160.00 as apparently both paid out as 1st scorer and last scorer lol no idea how that works
    OG don’t count 
  • Gillingham had 5 senior players out I read.  Bar Innis that was our strongest available squad to select from.  Started brightly and CBT was terrorising them but then not good enough to get 3 points.

    Completely deflated as have not seen anything to suggest we are going to push for a top 6 finish which is an epic failure if that's the case.

    This does not look like a team that has a promotion push in its capabilities.

    Well done to the supporters who travelled to the game and were loud throughout.
    Nowhere near our strongest totally fit 11.
    No JFC, Souare, Innis. 
    Arter, Leko, Gilbey not 90 min match fit, so there's 6 without even thinking if there's more. 

    Well let's hope we get our best team fit and back soon enough to make a go of the season and hope we are not too far adrift by the time they are to mount a promotion challenge/ top 6 finish.
  • Feel free to shoot me down, but I think there is the basis of a decent side, perhaps not top of the league quality. If they can string a couple of wins together the confidence will build and we will start  climbing the table. Just need to get the couple of wins though.....

  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    Adkins is just throwing darts at a board now, isn’t he?

    He is completely lost on what our best XI is and for all the modern bullshit about football being a squad game you MUST know your best XI.

    Bowyer’s Play Off winning side

    Philips

    Djiksteel - Bauer - Sarr - Purrington

    Cullen - Bielek - Pratley - Aribo

    Taylor - Grant/Parker

    Powell’s League One Champions

    Hamer

    Solly - Morrison - Taylor/Cort - Wiggins

    Green/Wagstaff - Hollands - Stephens - Jackson

    BWP - Kermorgant

    We can all name those sides off by heart, can’t we?

    Why? Because the managers identified the best XI and got the maximum out of them.

    Right now Adkins is guessing…and he is running out of time to get it right.
    Completely agree with this. I don't think NA has a clue what our best X1, best formation or style is and if he doesn't then how can he expect the players to?
    I'm no fan of Adkins, but if we had recruited decent match fit players by the end of July as he/we wanted he would have known by now. 
  • LMHR
    LMHR Posts: 172
    Loads better tonight. Good 1st half but then revert back to shite 2nd half . Blackett-Taylor played well and I’d keep Davidson in front of Stockley. In fact I’d keep the same starting 11 against Pompey 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Adkins is just throwing darts at a board now, isn’t he?

    He is completely lost on what our best XI is and for all the modern bullshit about football being a squad game you MUST know your best XI.

    Bowyer’s Play Off winning side

    Philips

    Djiksteel - Bauer - Sarr - Purrington

    Cullen - Bielek - Pratley - Aribo

    Taylor - Grant/Parker

    Powell’s League One Champions

    Hamer

    Solly - Morrison - Taylor/Cort - Wiggins

    Green/Wagstaff - Hollands - Stephens - Jackson

    BWP - Kermorgant

    We can all name those sides off by heart, can’t we?

    Why? Because the managers identified the best XI and got the maximum out of them.

    Right now Adkins is guessing…and he is running out of time to get it right.
    Completely agree with this. I don't think NA has a clue what our best X1, best formation or style is and if he doesn't then how can he expect the players to?
    I'm no fan of Adkins, but if we had recruited decent match fit players by the end of July as he/we wanted he would have known by now. 
    His post match interview on CATV was a very clever dig/not dig at that.

    To paraphrase he said I played exactly the same way in all bar one game last season, exactly the same way all through preseason, why did it take until deadline day to get the players. 
  • Feel free to shoot me down, but I think there is the basis of a decent side, perhaps not top of the league quality. If they can string a couple of wins together the confidence will build and we will start  climbing the table. Just need to get the couple of wins though.....
    Agreed, but I don’t see us having a settled side any time soon. I don’t personally see Pearce/CBT starting next 10 matches I think we will be continuing to see changes throughout to try and get some form. Concerning how our two big signings DJ & Kirk have both been dropped after 8 games.
  • 1968CAFC said:
    I do not agree or disagree with everything some of our most negative fans have said tonight.
    tonight was possibly our best performance after the first home game against Sheffield Wednesday.
    and Crewe was the worst team we have played so far and not Gillingham.

    However  if we lose our next two games Adkins should be Sacked.

    But I honestly think we could beat Portsmouth on Saturday if we play for 90 minutes like we did for 45 minutes tonight.
    maybe that’s I big ask but I still think it’s possible.

    Portsmouth are just a "name", they're doing as shite as us if we really look into their results.

    Just managed a draw with Plymouth in the Play-Offs (they got a very late equaliser) and are lucky they had a damned easy start to the season else they'd be doing just badly as us - Fully expecting a drop in standard come Saturday.
    Portsmouth Drew 2-2 tonight 
    and Plymouth were top of the table at 94 minutes 😂😂😂