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**Adkins Gone - Jackson Caretaker**
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cabbles said:Garrymanilow said:Ormiston_Addick said:OK folks, one last time and then we can all move on.
My deepest sympathies and condolences to the 57 arseholes that LOLd me back in March when I pointed out that Adkins was an “awful appointment.”
Also in my thoughts and prayers are the jokers that tied themselves in knots trying to convince people that his 33% win rate at Hull was not an abject failure.
To be fair though compared to this season with us - win ratio of 15.3% - his time at Hull was a raging success.
After Jacko won that game vs Bristol Rovers we should have given him the job till the end of the season to see how he went, there was really nothing to lose.
Now there very much is.2 -
Shame for Adkins but I couldn’t see him being able to turn this around, should’ve happened after the Cheltenham game though when there was less of a mountain to climb…
I’ve confidence in JJ and hope he is allowed to choose the formation and players he wants….0 -
I'll read the "players not fit enough" comment as meaning they don't have the general level of fitness to play a high intensity pressing game, rather than match fitness.
We've tried playing like that and as most of us have said, half the players are fucked after 40 minutes.
Sean Clare is fit enough to play a game of league one football for 90 minutes, but can he charge around covering his areas of the pitch closing down and pressing oppo players for 90? Nope.
Someone obviously forgot to tell the Aussie fella to add "athlete" "stamina" and "aggressive" into the black box search query.1 -
MuttleyCAFC said:Bailey said:cantersaddick said:Odds on seeing a midfield diamond on Saturday?
Stockley Leko
Lee
Clare Gilbey
Dobbo/Watto/Arter
Purr Fam Lavelle Matthews
Mag
In many ways Sunderland away is a great first game. Nobody is expecting much from it and I have a suspicion that Sunderland aren't that good. With a diamond midfield and the quality we do have, I think we can frustrate them. It is going to be important that we carry a threat and I think Stockley and Leko up top ought to pose problems.
If Jacko goes up there with a diamond or a narrow 4-4-2, that could completely throw Sunderland to start with.
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The owner saying the players aren’t fit enough two or so months into the season is a damming indictment not just of Adkins, but of the whole coaching set up.31
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Mametz said:I was one of those who was reasonably pleased with Adkin’s appointment. After the chaos of the Roland years and the turbulent end of Bowyer’s reign, he seemed to be a cool head who had had some success as a manager. The close miss of the play offs last season seemed to back that impression. I thought that with a reasonable amount of financial backing from TS we would be somewhere in the promotion mix this season.My worries started over the lack of much transfer activity over the close season. Most of the new players came in after the pre-season friendlies and a lot after league season had begun. The first game I attended was Oxford where we were truly terrible. I still believed that the situation would be turned around after a few games. It hasn’t been and we are genuinely in a relegation battle. Tactics that were failing in August are being endlessly repeated game after game. Hoofball! Adkins had to go.
However, the person or people responsible for the recruitment and transfer policy over the summer ought to go as well because that has been a shambles that has contributed mightily to the omni-shambles of the last few months.0 -
se9addick said:The owner saying the players aren’t fit enough two or so months into the season is a damming indictment not just of Adkins, but if the whole coaching set up.3
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Talal said:DOUCHER said:cafcdave123 said:I reckon he'll stick Henderson in goal and bring Pearce into the starting 11 and as canters said, probably play a diamond midfield0
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TEL said:Oggy Red said:TEL said:Thomas saying a noisy minority wanted Adkins out.
Showing a bit more naivety in my opinion.I know he means well but the club is crying out for a football savvy CEO.
Agree with you though with needing a savvy and experienced football CEO.Do you think a small minority of fans wanted the manager sacked?
But put yourself in Sandgaard's position ....... he's hardly going to discuss in detail all the club's behind the scenes failings live on the radio.
Why would he want to do that?
He's fobbed off the journo with just a couple of the no doubt many factors.
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Ormiston_Addick said:OK folks, one last time and then we can all move on.
My deepest sympathies and condolences to the 57 arseholes that LOLd me back in March when I pointed out that Adkins was an “awful appointment.”
Also in my thoughts and prayers are the jokers that tied themselves in knots trying to convince people that his 33% win rate at Hull was not an abject failure.
To be fair though compared to this season with us - win ratio of 15.3% - his time at Hull was a raging success.
After Jacko won that game vs Bristol Rovers we should have given him the job till the end of the season to see how he went, there was really nothing to lose.
Now there very much is.48 - Sponsored links:
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Croydon said:Phil said:Jacko ought to get it on a permanent basis. Ignore all that lack of experience nonsense, everyone has got to start somewhere. He's more managerial experience at a higher level than Nathan Jones had when he got the Luton gig and he ain't done too bad!
Jacko is passionate and intelligent and someone we can all readily get behind!
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DOUCHER said:cafcdave123 said:I reckon he'll stick Henderson in goal and bring Pearce into the starting 11 and as canters said, probably play a diamond midfield
We must be getting to the stage where thought must be being given to pulling MacGillivray out for a few games but if Henderson isn't up to it and we've packed Maynard-Brewer off to Scotland on loan then there is no-one to challenge MacGillivray for his position which is madness.3 -
Oggy Red said:DOUCHER said:Mac
Matthews
Famewho
Lavelle
Purrington
Washington
Dobson
Arter
Clare
Stockely
Leko
Back to basics - solid - Lee, CBT and Davidson to come off bench as game opens up3 -
RonnieMoore said:Dave2l said:If Adkins never got the job and it was handed straight to JJ earlier this year. I wonder where we would be now.
Would have also saved a £1m or 2
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JamesSeed said:Croydon said:Phil said:Jacko ought to get it on a permanent basis. Ignore all that lack of experience nonsense, everyone has got to start somewhere. He's more managerial experience at a higher level than Nathan Jones had when he got the Luton gig and he ain't done too bad!
Jacko is passionate and intelligent and someone we can all readily get behind!
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I predict some improvement from our results with Nigel Adkins under Jackson.0
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Have the club given any indication when they expect the next manager to be installed?0
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Fortune 82nd Minute said:DOUCHER said:cafcdave123 said:I reckon he'll stick Henderson in goal and bring Pearce into the starting 11 and as canters said, probably play a diamond midfield
We must be getting to the stage where thought must be being given to pulling MacGillivray out for a few games but if Henderson isn't up to it and we've packed Maynard-Brewer off to Scotland on loan then there is no-one to challenge MacGillivray for his position which is madness.0 -
Here is the Talkshite Interview With Thomas this morning LINK0
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Be good to see an interview with JJ to get the place going again!1
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We’re potentially in a dream situation with a still young, recent club legend taking the reins and leading us to survival this season, and greater glories from then on. It may or may not happen, but imagine the ride if it does!
I’ve mentioned before on here how I overheard a conversation between JJ and Pratley (on the train back from Sunderland as it happens) about how he had turned down offers to extend his playing career with other clubs because his dream was to become manager of Charlton. Well he’s now got a chance to show what he can do, and I really hope it works out for him. And us.16 -
PragueAddick said:I'm a bit uneasy about TS saying the players are unfit. It begs several questions.
I certainly agree that the energy levels that we saw, especially in the first half of last season under Bow, are not visible this season. Although there are some exceptions; Gilbey obviously, as well pointed out in a post above. Davidson. Stockley. Morgan. Lavelle. Leko, he has never looked fitter, nor more up for it. I don't think fitness is Kirk's problem, much more what's going on in his head. Are we saying that fitness is what makes Gunter a shadow of the player that featured in the Euros, and nearly scored the first goal against Italy in 30 games? Is it fitness that makes his potential replacement a shadow of the player we saw in the Championship?
So why might some players be fitter than others? (OK, Soare and CBT might have obvious excuses, although I'm not sure about CBT's case. First half on Tuesday I thought, aha, this is why a L2 team let him go...then he gets a rocket and is on fire. For about 15 minutes.)
And if TS has more to go on than just watching on a stream, like me, who has informed him? And who is responsible for it?2 -
SELR_addicks said:Jackson's first games:
Sunderland
Doncaster
Rotherham
Burton
Plymouth
Other than Doncaster all teams that have enjoyed a very good start to the season. Think we'll be in the poo after 3 losses and a draw out of those.2 -
I do have a slight concern that Jacko is just a little too close to the players. He’s a diamond bloke but as manager he can’t be friends with any of them. He doesn’t have to be a tyrant or bully but he has to be the boss and everyone needs to want to stay on his right side. Curbs was so successful because he was the boss. Players didn’t mess him around and if they did they knew about it. I believe it helped that Curbs was fastidious in his new signings being the right type. I’m not sure JJ is going to get that level of autonomy or perhaps hasn’t really got that hard streak in him. I guess we’ll see soon enough.3
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clb74 said:Have the club given any indication when they expect the next manager to be installed?3
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Let's just be grateful that the CEO Rockstar owns us while we are languishing in the third tier and nobody outside the fan base gives a shit. I really hope it works for Jackson even though I wanted to see a new coaching set up and strategy. But man alive Thomas really loves the sound of his own voice. And the timing of the announcement plus him on Talkshite?? To come out that stuff about the players fitness and aggression on a national radio station talk about an own goal.3
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ShootersHillGuru said:I do have a slight concern that Jacko is just a little too close to the players. He’s a diamond bloke but as manager he can’t be friends with any of them. He doesn’t have to be a tyrant or bully but he has to be the boss and everyone needs to want to stay on his right side. Curbs was so successful because he was the boss. Players didn’t mess him around and if they did they knew about it. I believe it helped that Curbs was fastidious in his new signings being the right type. I’m not sure JJ is going to get that level of autonomy or perhaps hasn’t really got that hard streak in him. I guess we’ll see soon enough.1
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Curbs was a player when he was appointed with Gritty. I'm sure he can help JJ with advice on that front. I think a call to Chrissy won't do any harm either. He was liked and respected by the players and gained success too. JJ was there anyway so he would know what happened.3
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Johnnie, oh Johnnie Jackson sends out the team for me...
I have no ill feeling for Nigel at all but it had gone too far ever to turn around. After being offended by Bowyer, then misunderstood or asked to do too much by Adkins, some of the players have nowhere else to hide now. Jacko may or may not prove to be a successful manager but we know how much he cares about our club - time for the players he selects to demonstrate they do too.4 -
From memory Jackson has played under or observed a lot of managers since he has been at Charlton.
Phil Parkinson
Keith Peacock
Chris Powell
Jose Riga
Bob Peeters
Damian Matthew
Guy Luzon
Karel Fraeye
Russell Slade
Karl Robinson
Kevin Nugent
Lee Bowyer
Nigel Adkins
I wonder what the single best quality Jacko could take as a learning point from each person on that list.6