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Charlton Women to rebrand as "Charlton Ladies" - turned down by FA (p28)
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PWR...but why is it not just Charlton Athletic FC? Youth, men's, women's teams all the same right?5
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Hell will freeze over before I join Twitter so I will take your word for it.Weegie Addick said:
You can get an idea of Raelynn’s view by looking at the Tweets she likes - ones that use the term ‘ladies’.eaststandmike said:I may be wrong but I have a sneaky felling in my water that Mrs TS may be having some input on this.0 -
It's better than SWMBO or significant other!!JamesSeed said:
Always cringe when someone refers to their partner/wife as 'my lady'.Oggy Red said:
Years ago I had a GF who hated being called a lady.Dazzler21 said:Other than people telling you it's bad, why is the term "ladies" now seen as bad?
I've always been confused about this and no one has ever given a clear answer, Google included.
She was a woman, she said.
Up to that point, I'd always grown up thinking woman and lady were interchangeable terms. Not so.
Why not ask the women that you know, what they think and want?
I tend to use the term 'this is my wife [name] with wife usually prefixed with 'beautiful' if I'm after brownie points.1 -
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
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Only a matter of time before it's Charlton Athletic People With Cervixes.5
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It's really not, though is it? 🙄WishIdStayedinthePub said:Only a matter of time before it's Charlton Athletic People With Cervixes.7 -
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
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But the Charlton Women's team don't.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.16 -
ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
In that case I think you have misunderstood. What is being said is that women have the right not to be referred to as ladies if they think the term is patronising in a particular context.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
It is fine for you to think that Ladies sounds nicer than Women. Don't you think it is also fine for the team to prefer something else because they don't see the term lady in the same way that you do ? Maybe they don't want to be seen as nice8 - Sponsored links:
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A much younger group of players who were part time and hoping that this millionaire (who had just turned up and was turning the club professional) would give them a new professional contract agreed with him. This much more experienced group of players a number of whom were already professionals feel differently.Dazzler21 said:
I suppose that makes it a bit more difficult of a decision for him, one side were happy to change name and now just a season on the current side do not want the change. Hopefully he reads the room that the change is not required and makes no beneficial difference.Henry Irving said:
Yes.Rothko said:Did this come up at the Fans Forum last night?
Wasn't there and only got a very brief update from @killerjerrylee but it was said that TS asked the team last season and they were happy but the current, much changed, squad aren't.
Seems a less hard-line stance from TS than previously indicated but that may just be my reading of it.
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Pico said:ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
In that case I think you have misunderstood. What is being said is that women have the right not to be referred to as ladies if they think the term is patronising in a particular context.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
It is fine for you to think that Ladies sounds nicer than Women. Don't you think it is also fine for the team to prefer something else because they don't see the term lady in the same way that you do ? Maybe they don't want to be seen as nice
I don't understand what is patronising about the words 'Ladies' in this context or any other.Pico said:ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
In that case I think you have misunderstood. What is being said is that women have the right not to be referred to as ladies if they think the term is patronising in a particular context.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
It is fine for you to think that Ladies sounds nicer than Women. Don't you think it is also fine for the team to prefer something else because they don't see the term lady in the same way that you do ? Maybe they don't want to be seen as nice
I'm not the one who is outraged, I am very surprised at the outrage being expressed about something that, in the scheme of things, is so trivial.0 -
I guess the overall point is you don't have to. There's genuinely nothing wrong with that, we don't have to get why something is so offensive to a group in order to respect their wishes. The thing to remember is it isn't trivial to the women that it actually affects directly, and a number of fans want to support that group by giving them their backing. It must be incredibly frustrating for the women who will have to play under the name hearing a load of men on Twitter telling them it doesn't matter, but also they don't care about women's football anyway. Compare that to how upset people got when Jermaine Beckford didn't know that Jason Euell was our assistant manager; you'll find the things you care about and want to defend them, and people will get upset when others don't seem to respect that.ME14addick said:Pico said:ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
In that case I think you have misunderstood. What is being said is that women have the right not to be referred to as ladies if they think the term is patronising in a particular context.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
It is fine for you to think that Ladies sounds nicer than Women. Don't you think it is also fine for the team to prefer something else because they don't see the term lady in the same way that you do ? Maybe they don't want to be seen as nice
I don't understand what is patronising about the words 'Ladies' in this context or any other.Pico said:ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
In that case I think you have misunderstood. What is being said is that women have the right not to be referred to as ladies if they think the term is patronising in a particular context.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
It is fine for you to think that Ladies sounds nicer than Women. Don't you think it is also fine for the team to prefer something else because they don't see the term lady in the same way that you do ? Maybe they don't want to be seen as nice
I'm not the one who is outraged, I am very surprised at the outrage being expressed about something that, in the scheme of things, is so trivial.
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The historical meaning of the word Lady relates to a wife and a woman of higher standing. It is sexist, classist, not inclusive and generally outdated. However, if you are happy to refer to yourself as such, then that is your right and I don't think anyone else has a problem with that. The word itself is not offensive. A professional sports team is a different matter and it should be seen as being inclusive and forward thinking and therefore assuming appropriate terminology.ME14addick said:Pico said:ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
In that case I think you have misunderstood. What is being said is that women have the right not to be referred to as ladies if they think the term is patronising in a particular context.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
It is fine for you to think that Ladies sounds nicer than Women. Don't you think it is also fine for the team to prefer something else because they don't see the term lady in the same way that you do ? Maybe they don't want to be seen as nice
I don't understand what is patronising about the words 'Ladies' in this context or any other.Pico said:ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
In that case I think you have misunderstood. What is being said is that women have the right not to be referred to as ladies if they think the term is patronising in a particular context.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
It is fine for you to think that Ladies sounds nicer than Women. Don't you think it is also fine for the team to prefer something else because they don't see the term lady in the same way that you do ? Maybe they don't want to be seen as nice
I'm not the one who is outraged, I am very surprised at the outrage being expressed about something that, in the scheme of things, is so trivial.9 -
Even if the previous squad were 'happy' with the change, it certainly wasn't driven and thought up by them.
The new squad being against the change should have told TS all he needed to know.
Why was the idea thought up in the first place? It's just putting his stamp on the club for no reason other than his own ego.3 -
Ladies and Gentleman … is that wrong ?0
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NoValleysarr said:Ladies and Gentleman … is that wrong ?0 -
I am certainly not offended at being called a lady or a woman. I still remain genuinely surprised that the word 'lady' is now thought to be sexist, classist, not inclusive and outdated; I'm sure I'm not alone.Wilma said:
The historical meaning of the word Lady relates to a wife and a woman of higher standing. It is sexist, classist, not inclusive and generally outdated. However, if you are happy to refer to yourself as such, then that is your right and I don't think anyone else has a problem with that. The word itself is not offensive. A professional sports team is a different matter and it should be seen as being inclusive and forward thinking and therefore assuming appropriate terminology.ME14addick said:Pico said:ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
In that case I think you have misunderstood. What is being said is that women have the right not to be referred to as ladies if they think the term is patronising in a particular context.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
It is fine for you to think that Ladies sounds nicer than Women. Don't you think it is also fine for the team to prefer something else because they don't see the term lady in the same way that you do ? Maybe they don't want to be seen as nice
I don't understand what is patronising about the words 'Ladies' in this context or any other.Pico said:ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
In that case I think you have misunderstood. What is being said is that women have the right not to be referred to as ladies if they think the term is patronising in a particular context.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
It is fine for you to think that Ladies sounds nicer than Women. Don't you think it is also fine for the team to prefer something else because they don't see the term lady in the same way that you do ? Maybe they don't want to be seen as nice
I'm not the one who is outraged, I am very surprised at the outrage being expressed about something that, in the scheme of things, is so trivial.4 -
I wouldn't have thought that either 'women' or 'ladies' is politically correct. It might upset the LGBLMTQ people.
How about 'Charlton Athletic those currently without a penis team?'
I wonder in what year the first player to move from the 'currently with a penis team' to 'currently without a penis team', or vice versa, will occur.1 -
Crystal Palace Football Club Women, who recently had their name changed, have realised that their new name is equally likely to cause serious offence. They've asked to drop the 'Crystal Palace'.25
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It doesn’t matter if you are alone or not, it matters what the actual players involved think.ME14addick said:
I am certainly not offended at being called a lady or a woman. I still remain genuinely surprised that the word 'lady' is now thought to be sexist, classist, not inclusive and outdated; I'm sure I'm not alone.Wilma said:
The historical meaning of the word Lady relates to a wife and a woman of higher standing. It is sexist, classist, not inclusive and generally outdated. However, if you are happy to refer to yourself as such, then that is your right and I don't think anyone else has a problem with that. The word itself is not offensive. A professional sports team is a different matter and it should be seen as being inclusive and forward thinking and therefore assuming appropriate terminology.ME14addick said:Pico said:ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
In that case I think you have misunderstood. What is being said is that women have the right not to be referred to as ladies if they think the term is patronising in a particular context.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
It is fine for you to think that Ladies sounds nicer than Women. Don't you think it is also fine for the team to prefer something else because they don't see the term lady in the same way that you do ? Maybe they don't want to be seen as nice
I don't understand what is patronising about the words 'Ladies' in this context or any other.Pico said:ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
In that case I think you have misunderstood. What is being said is that women have the right not to be referred to as ladies if they think the term is patronising in a particular context.ME14addick said:
I haven't chosen to be outraged, reading through this thread for the first time today I was amazed at the outrage from many on here about something so trivial.Pico said:
No-one is saying the word is unacceptable. You have decided to infer that so that you can be outraged.ME14addick said:This is the first time I have opened this thread and am amazed at the outcry at the use of the word 'ladies'.
Before reading this thread, I wouldn't have hesitated to refer to myself as a lady, but it seems that it is a term that is no longer acceptable. I am astounded that such an inoffensive word has caused so much outcry. It is the first time that I have heard that it causes so many people so much offence .
It amazes me that people who are happy to use the word c**t, which as a woman I find very offensive, object to the word lady.
I need to have a word with my colleagues at work, as we all refer to each other as ladies when we use the chat function on Teams.
What is being said is that women have the right to ask to be referred to in terms that they find acceptable in the context they find themselves in and that their request should be respected.
It may even be that our current team members are happy to be referred to as ladies in different contexts, but they have expressly stated they want the team name to remain Charlton Women.
Your work colleagues make their choice of what is suitable among themselves. The women's team are doing the same. Why is that a problem to you?
The impression I got from a lot of the comments, was that the use of the word ladies is outdated and no longer acceptable. I think that Charlton Ladies actually sounds much nicer than Charlton Women.
It is fine for you to think that Ladies sounds nicer than Women. Don't you think it is also fine for the team to prefer something else because they don't see the term lady in the same way that you do ? Maybe they don't want to be seen as nice
I'm not the one who is outraged, I am very surprised at the outrage being expressed about something that, in the scheme of things, is so trivial.1 -
Hate to tell you this @jimmymelrose, but presence or absence of a penis isn't considered definitive these days by many official bodies including the IOC - I've not checked FIFA or the FA. But if people want to get into all that it's probably best to avoid derailing this thread, and take it over to that one over on the House of Commoners:Personally I don't mind "lady" in certain contexts, as I appreciate it often comes from a place where people are trying to be polite and respectful. The problem comes where it's tied in explicitly or historically to restrictive behavioural expectations ie "being ladylike", which will generally send me into "well, fuck that shit" mode.* Given that women and girls playing football were often considered not to be ladylike for doing so, I can see why the Women's team don't appreciate being rebranded as the Ladies team instead.*Although nowhere near as much as calling women "females" (noun not adjective) - we're not livestock, and it makes you sound like you're a Ferengi from one of the Star Trek spin-offs.10
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Whoa, slow down @Chizz . It is wrong for example if you are addressing a horde of approaching Milwall fans. It would also be wrong if you were addressing an assortment of winter vegetables. Context, @ChizzChizz said:
NoValleysarr said:Ladies and Gentleman … is that wrong ?1 -
Same thingKiwiValley said:
Whoa, slow down @Chizz . It is wrong for example if you are addressing a horde of approaching Milwall fans. It would also be wrong if you were addressing an assortment of winter vegetables. Context, @ChizzChizz said:
NoValleysarr said:Ladies and Gentleman … is that wrong ?7 -
Well, quite.Chizz said:
Same thingKiwiValley said:
Whoa, slow down @Chizz . It is wrong for example if you are addressing a horde of approaching Milwall fans. It would also be wrong if you were addressing an assortment of winter vegetables. Context, @ChizzChizz said:
NoValleysarr said:Ladies and Gentleman … is that wrong ?0 -
Lady: a polite or formal way of referring to a woman. football is NOT tennis2
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As a compromise, what about Charlton Girlies?
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So no conclusion then to this from the Fans Forum last night? Otherwise whoever represented the trust would have given an update by now. Unless the owner is not for turning0
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Charlton Ladies new forward line model next seasons kit, prior to taking lunch7 -
Eats, shoots and leaves.Leroy Ambrose said:
It's really not, though is it? 🙄WishIdStayedinthePub said:Only a matter of time before it's Charlton Athletic People With Cervixes.3
