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  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,274
    I hope we keep Jackson and he leads us to promotion next season. 
  • Mametz
    Mametz Posts: 1,254
    SELR_addicks said:
    Charlton in 2022: 


    23 games (exactly half of a season)

    8 wins
    4 draws
    11 losses 

    Goals scored: 24 
    Goals conceded: 29
    I’m not sure what is the point being made here. 

    We were well in the relegation positions when Jackson took over. We have avoided relegation with something to spare. If we had reproduced Jackson’s points per game for a whole season we would be comfortably in the top half of the table. I think it can be very reasonably said that he took charge of somebody else’s squad and improved them. 

    Have you got anybody in mind who definitely do better and who would be very willing to come to Charlton.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Croydon said:
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    bazjonster said:
    So much understandable sentimentality surrounding Jackson; it's the Modus Operandi of the Charlton fan.

    Jackson will, alas, end up like Chris Powell. A really nice chap who, sadly, is not cut out for football 'management'. Part of the coaching team, yes, but actually managing and handling all that is associated with such, no.

    Ok, we all measure success differently, but, in my opinion, Jackson, like Powell, will never be cut out to be a successful manager. He has a touch of the Cowleys or Robinsons about him, a lower league merry-go-round manager. Nothing more than journeyman material.

    But then again, are we any better than journeyman material?
    I’ll take 101 points in L1 and ninth in the Championship. How about you?

    Being a Powell fan, this was over two seasons.  What has he done since?
    I think it’s enough to make it unfair to dismiss him out of hand as a manager. Quite apart from Roland, he had to deal with the Spivs and I’m not sure fans have understood the depths of that even now. They were scum. Not that I’m biased, of course.

    So why has Powell not acheived further success?
    I don’t know, but what irritates me is the way people choose to overlook what he did at Charlton, which was exceptional and down to him, and after all what we care about. He had no support from the boardroom in 2013/14 - indeed the opposite from Duchatelet - yet the same people are often quick to blame him for the team being bottom. He did an exceptional job as a manager at Charlton once he got his own players, many of whom signed because of him. 

    I don’t know if he could have taken it further but saying he wasn’t a successful manager is like saying he wasn’t an international footballer because he only made a few England appearances.
    Plenty who think what Powell did was special, seem so sure Jackson will do the same. Surely by that logic it can't have been that special then?

    (I think Powell was special and don't think Jackson can replicate it) 


    If you understand anything about football you recognise that what Powell did was special. Very Special. And if we didn't have the Charlton curse of idiot owners, he would have taken us to the Premier League IMO. I don't care what he has done since. He fitted that job like a glove and his players would run through brick walls for him and the fans loved him. Jacko needs a chance, like Powell had. It is in his hands, but FFs, give him a chance.
  • boggzy
    boggzy Posts: 3,595
    EveshamAddick said:
    Anyone think that Sandy has decided we are playing 352 so that’s what we’re doing?
    I think it's possible, as certain things don't make any sense, but who knows.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    I think I can see where Jacko is going with 3-5-2 and he can bring in the payers to make it work. personally, I like 4-3-3, others may like 4-4-2, but nothing wrong in the circumstances Jacko making 3-5-2 work.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    It's not just the defence which is the issue with rigidly sticking to 352

    We had a period when we were missing a number of strikers, and having to play Burstow and Leko up front together just so that we could stick to his favoured system, rather than shifting to something to utilise what players we actually had available.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    SELR_addicks said:
    It's the players fault now. 

    Next it'll be the recruitment team. 

    Then it'll be Sandgaard. 

    Then it'll be the coaches Jackson has to work with. 

    Then it'll be the referees. 

    Then it'll be the EFL for their squad cap rules. 

    Some people will never admit that Jackson doesn't really look that good at this management stuff. 
    So you rate this as a top 6 squad? In that case let’s get them all signed up on new deals, change manager and enjoy promotion next season. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    killerandflash said:
    It's not just the defence which is the issue with rigidly sticking to 352

    We had a period when we were missing a number of strikers, and having to play Burstow and Leko up front together just so that we could stick to his favoured system, rather than shifting to something to utilise what players we actually had available.
    In that scenario there isn’t really a clear solution. Playing Leko, Burstow or Lee as a lone striker wouldn’t have worked either.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited April 2022
    killerandflash said:
    It's not just the defence which is the issue with rigidly sticking to 352

    We had a period when we were missing a number of strikers, and having to play Burstow and Leko up front together just so that we could stick to his favoured system, rather than shifting to something to utilise what players we actually had available.
    This I have sympathy with. I think he should have changed formation due to the exceptional circumstances, namely having no decent strikers to pick,  and my fear is that he lacks flexibility. But he is new to the job and we have to give him a chance. Before he took over fans were saying we were likely to be relegated. Maybe avoiding that is good enough for this season, but he needs to get it right next season. Let's give him that chance.
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    I cant see us doing anything next season,  so is there any chance we can skip to the 23/24 season?
    Next season is going to be a big season for us and I've not got a good feeling about it.

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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    clb74 said:
    I cant see us doing anything next season,  so is there any chance we can skip to the 23/24 season?
    Next season is going to be a big season for us and I've not got a good feeling about it.

    That’s even more pessimistic than me but it’s quite possibly correct. We need a seismic shift in players and all who do come in have got to perform. I think that’s a very difficult trick. Yes Chris Powell did it but that was then and this is now. I’m guessing next season will hopefully be the first step in building a squad to challenge for promotion. I have a feeling it might take three or even four windows to do it and we’ll need luck.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    Scoham said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    It's the players fault now. 

    Next it'll be the recruitment team. 

    Then it'll be Sandgaard. 

    Then it'll be the coaches Jackson has to work with. 

    Then it'll be the referees. 

    Then it'll be the EFL for their squad cap rules. 

    Some people will never admit that Jackson doesn't really look that good at this management stuff. 
    So you rate this as a top 6 squad? In that case let’s get them all signed up on new deals, change manager and enjoy promotion next season. 
    It's a team that should be beating the likes of Morecambe. And a team that could look like they actually do something on the training ground? 
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,278
    The reasons why Jacko Must Go. Things I don't want to see next season:
    - a team that has no coherent pattern of play that looks uncoached and never learns
    - CBT restricted by playing a wing back role instead of a winger role
    - Clare in defence. He can pass and dribble but has no defensive instinct.
    - lack of discipline resulting in an almost unprecedented number of bookings
    - a lack of tactical flexibility or proactive adjustment of tactics when games aren't going our way, before the game is out of sight
    - illogical team selections

    Most if not all will occur if Jacko is here next season. That's why we need to take a chance on someone else before we rebuild.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    Our best player this season is CBT. 

    According to Jackson's formation he has no role next season because we are stuck playing this formation. Is that getting the most out of your squad? 
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,480
    Were he to be sacked now, wouldn’t we all be left wondering what might have happened if he had a much changed squad more to his liking?
    I certainly count myself in that bracket.

  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    edited April 2022
    SELR_addicks said:
    Our best player this season is CBT. 

    According to Jackson's formation he has no role next season because we are stuck playing this formation. Is that getting the most out of your squad? 
    Thats not true - Hasn't Jackson said recently that as part of this 3-5-2 formation, he ideally wants one flank to have a defensive wing-back, and on the other flank he wants a more attacking player.

    Its why we've rarely (or potentially never) seen Jaiyesimi | Blackett-Taylor or Matthews | Purrington on the flanks at the same time.

    Its always been one or the other.
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,278
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    Our best player this season is CBT. 

    According to Jackson's formation he has no role next season because we are stuck playing this formation. Is that getting the most out of your squad? 
    Thats not true - Hasn't Jackson said recently that as part of this 3-5-2 formation, he ideally wants one flank to have a defensive wing-back, and on the other flank he wants a more attacking player.

    Its why we've rarely (or potentially never) seen Jaiyesimi | Blackett-Taylor or Matthews | Purrington on the flanks at the same time.

    Its always been one or the other.
    Hence always leaving an invitation to the opposition of "why don't we focus our attacks in behind where the winger is supposed to be covering".
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,278
    Although 1 thing I am appreciative of is that Jackson has learnt not to play Purrington at centre back behind him. I mean, it was bloody obvious and didn't need testing, but yes he has learnt that.
  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    edited April 2022
    I'm not in the JJ must go camp or indeed he JJ must stay camp, I can see both sides of the argument for and against. However, and I have to fess up that I've not read every post on this thread, if he goes who do we bring in? Coupled with that how long do we give the new manager before we are calling for their head?
    I'd be getting concerned if we start swapping managers every 6 months or so....we need some managerial stability, so if JJ goes now we need to give the new person at least 18 months in my opinion, or if JJ stays he needs pre-season and at least 6 months of next.
    Managerial merry-go-rounds will not help us in my opinion. 

  • YTS1978
    YTS1978 Posts: 1,703
    I don't think we (by that I mean Tommy) can really afford to waste another season. This one was a bloody disaster. Jackson has pissed me off with his insistence on playing a formation that clearly hasn't worked. I don't know why he can't see it?! Teams sussed us out after that initial bounce and it's been terrible to watch tbh. I don't get the "give him 10 games next season" train of thought, as that's exactly what happened this year. A new man comes in and inherits a team he's had no input in and it's been a shambles. If Tommy decides Jacko stays then he has to back him in the summer and get him the players he wants/needs to fit into the way he wants us to play. Say what you want abt Slater and Jiminez, but they delivered a record breaking title winning squad for powell in a matter of weeks. I really hope Tommy is working his nuts off behind the scenes, cause this is a big summer.
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  • The Prince-e-Paul
    The Prince-e-Paul Posts: 6,688
    edited April 2022
    Jacko has fans on his side ONLY because he is a club legend. If these performances were churned out by anyone non-Charlton the atmosphere would have been toxic for half a season. The boo's at half time yesterday were loud and sustained. That tells me that Jacko has a  very short leash going in to next season, with those still in the 'Jacko In' camp.

    I so much wanted it to work for him, but a successful nobody, is my preference, to a losing fans favourite. Sorry Jacko it's a no from me. 
  • 000__Jaaaaay__000
    000__Jaaaaay__000 Posts: 2,342
    cafcsinger said:
    Got to give Jackson a chance to bring in his own players that he wants. The squad at the moment is a mid table league 1 one, what do people expect?
    No matter what team we have, I Expect this team to at least beat morecambe at home who haven’t won away from home since November 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    The Prince-e-Paul said:
    Jacko has fans on his side ONLY because he is a club legend. If these performances were churned out by anyone non-Charlton the atmosphere would have been toxic for half a season. The boo's at half time yesterday were loud and sustained. That tells me that Jacko has a  very short leash going in to next season, with those still in the 'Jacko In' camp.

    I so much wanted it to work for him, but a successful nobody, is my preference, to a losing fans favourite. Sorry Jacko it's a no from me. 
    True to an extent but not for me, I’d back any manager at this point doing as well as we are now. It’s become clear as the season has gone on that this squad isn’t good enough whoever the manager is and whatever the formation is. We’ll never improve if we keep blaming the manager and replacing him every 6 months.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    SELR_addicks said:
    Scoham said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    It's the players fault now. 

    Next it'll be the recruitment team. 

    Then it'll be Sandgaard. 

    Then it'll be the coaches Jackson has to work with. 

    Then it'll be the referees. 

    Then it'll be the EFL for their squad cap rules. 

    Some people will never admit that Jackson doesn't really look that good at this management stuff. 
    So you rate this as a top 6 squad? In that case let’s get them all signed up on new deals, change manager and enjoy promotion next season. 
    It's a team that should be beating the likes of Morecambe. And a team that could look like they actually do something on the training ground? 
    They should beat the likes of Morecambe but this is what inconsistent mid table sides do. One week they can beat a top 6 side and another lose to a small club in a relegation battle.

    This team has too many weaknesses to be a top 6 side. A lack of goalscorers throughout the team and a lot of average players who don’t have the potential to play at a higher level.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,883
    000__Jaaaaay__000 said:
    cafcsinger said:
    Got to give Jackson a chance to bring in his own players that he wants. The squad at the moment is a mid table league 1 one, what do people expect?
    No matter what team we have, I Expect this team to at least beat morecambe at home who haven’t won away from home since November 
    Did you expect the this team to win at Rotherham? I expected us to win yesterday but also expected us to get beat at Rotherham 

    footballs a funny old game 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Cambridge Utd, Accrington Stanley, Cheltenham Town, Oxford Utd, Wycombe Wanderers, Plymouth Argyle, Rotherham Utd and MK Dons are all above Charlton Athletic. That for me is enough to make me want to weep. Morcambe, yes that’s Morcambe beat us home and away. The club, manager and possibly a good few fans are next season at a crossroads. This season has been an absolute disaster. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    He'll last 'til the end of the season and that'll leave Sandy plenty of time to (hopefully) make a considered appointment .. JJ was a terrific No 2 to Bowyer, he just lacks the indefinable qualities that make a good No 1 .. whatever, JJ is a nice guy and it's a shame that he hasn't made a success of his chance
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,803
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Cambridge Utd, Accrington Stanley, Cheltenham Town, Oxford Utd, Wycombe Wanderers, Plymouth Argyle, Rotherham Utd and MK Dons are all above Charlton Athletic. That for me is enough to make me want to weep. Morcambe, yes that’s Morcambe beat us home and away. The club, manager and possibly a good few fans are next season at a crossroads. This season has been an absolute disaster. 
    There’s a pretty consistent theme about all those clubs, which is stability of ownership and management 
  • EveshamAddick
    EveshamAddick Posts: 7,014
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Cambridge Utd, Accrington Stanley, Cheltenham Town, Oxford Utd, Wycombe Wanderers, Plymouth Argyle, Rotherham Utd and MK Dons are all above Charlton Athletic. That for me is enough to make me want to weep. Morcambe, yes that’s Morcambe beat us home and away. The club, manager and possibly a good few fans are next season at a crossroads. This season has been an absolute disaster. 
    We drew up at Morecambe. Though we did throw away a 2 goal lead..
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    EveshamAddick said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Cambridge Utd, Accrington Stanley, Cheltenham Town, Oxford Utd, Wycombe Wanderers, Plymouth Argyle, Rotherham Utd and MK Dons are all above Charlton Athletic. That for me is enough to make me want to weep. Morcambe, yes that’s Morcambe beat us home and away. The club, manager and possibly a good few fans are next season at a crossroads. This season has been an absolute disaster. 
    We drew up at Morecambe. Though we did throw away a 2 goal lead..
    Correct. 🤦🏻‍♂️
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