Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

nice to see the fans are as one and looking forward to the new season!!!. Not sure of peoples end game🤔😂

Yes, because a discussion on social media a week earlier about something wholly unrelated is going to seriously affect the players and fans at the opening games. How can anyone be expected to cope?

Alright touchy, you’ve noticed we have players and fans and not just a terrible owner have you?🤣

Airman has far more knowledge on how this club has been run and how it should be run than most on here. 
Maybe take on board what he says rather than have a sly dig.

blackpool72 said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

nice to see the fans are as one and looking forward to the new season!!!. Not sure of peoples end game🤔😂

Yes, because a discussion on social media a week earlier about something wholly unrelated is going to seriously affect the players and fans at the opening games. How can anyone be expected to cope?

Alright touchy, you’ve noticed we have players and fans and not just a terrible owner have you?🤣

Airman has far more knowledge on how this club has been run and how it should be run than most on here. 
Maybe take on board what he says rather than have a sly dig.

The Chair of the Supporters Trust
The Charlton Athletic Fans Adviser

Not just the VOTV editor is it? 

blackpool72 said:

shirty5 said:

blackpool72 said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

nice to see the fans are as one and looking forward to the new season!!!. Not sure of peoples end game🤔😂

Yes, because a discussion on social media a week earlier about something wholly unrelated is going to seriously affect the players and fans at the opening games. How can anyone be expected to cope?

Alright touchy, you’ve noticed we have players and fans and not just a terrible owner have you?🤣

Airman has far more knowledge on how this club has been run and how it should be run than most on here. 
Maybe take on board what he says rather than have a sly dig.

The Chair of the Supporters Trust
The Charlton Athletic Fans Adviser

Not just the VOTV editor is it? 

Exactly. 
I've known Airman for many a year and I would put more trust in what he says than the people who dig him out.

Indeed. Just an easy target on here 

paulfox said:

blackpool72 said:

shirty5 said:

blackpool72 said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

nice to see the fans are as one and looking forward to the new season!!!. Not sure of peoples end game🤔😂

Yes, because a discussion on social media a week earlier about something wholly unrelated is going to seriously affect the players and fans at the opening games. How can anyone be expected to cope?

Alright touchy, you’ve noticed we have players and fans and not just a terrible owner have you?🤣

Airman has far more knowledge on how this club has been run and how it should be run than most on here. 
Maybe take on board what he says rather than have a sly dig.

The Chair of the Supporters Trust
The Charlton Athletic Fans Adviser

Not just the VOTV editor is it? 

Exactly. 
I've known Airman for many a year and I would put more trust in what he says than the people who dig him out.

That’s your prerogative and I respect the loyalty. for the record I’ve not said he is a liar, just that he is overly negative IMO, he took exception to it and in his good journalistic style decided to report all my comments are worthless, not for him to decide, even if they are.🤣. My issue isn’t with anyone else including you Blackpool.

Let’s be fair here. You’re having more a dig at him than he is at you. 

paulfox said:

SID said:

paulfox said:

blackpool72 said:

shirty5 said:

blackpool72 said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

nice to see the fans are as one and looking forward to the new season!!!. Not sure of peoples end game🤔😂

Yes, because a discussion on social media a week earlier about something wholly unrelated is going to seriously affect the players and fans at the opening games. How can anyone be expected to cope?

Alright touchy, you’ve noticed we have players and fans and not just a terrible owner have you?🤣

Airman has far more knowledge on how this club has been run and how it should be run than most on here. 
Maybe take on board what he says rather than have a sly dig.

The Chair of the Supporters Trust
The Charlton Athletic Fans Adviser

Not just the VOTV editor is it? 

Exactly. 
I've known Airman for many a year and I would put more trust in what he says than the people who dig him out.

That’s your prerogative and I respect the loyalty. for the record I’ve not said he is a liar, just that he is overly negative IMO, he took exception to it and in his good journalistic style decided to report all my comments are worthless, not for him to decide, even if they are.🤣. My issue isn’t with anyone else including you Blackpool.

Let’s be fair here. You’re having more a dig at him than he is at you. 

With respect actually no,  it’s been ongoing,What’s done is done, don’t mean to be rude it’s nothing to do with you. If you want to discuss and a have a view on my comments, fine. But don’t just jump on the Airman cheerleading team.

I’m not on anyone’s cheerleading team. Airman has made some negative comments. Some of which I admit I agree with. You’re the one that has took exception to his views which of course you’re entitled to. But don’t turn it round and accuse him of digging you out, it’s Boris Johnsonesque

It’s pretty simple really, isn’t it?

If we are not in the Play Offs by Christmas, or very close to them, then Sandgaard is bang in trouble and so is Ben Garner.

Jackson was sacked for failing to deliver - very harshly in my view - and Sandgaard will be putting any blame for failure on Garner rather than himself.

paulfox said:

SID said:

paulfox said:

SID said:

paulfox said:

blackpool72 said:

shirty5 said:

blackpool72 said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

nice to see the fans are as one and looking forward to the new season!!!. Not sure of peoples end game🤔😂

Yes, because a discussion on social media a week earlier about something wholly unrelated is going to seriously affect the players and fans at the opening games. How can anyone be expected to cope?

Alright touchy, you’ve noticed we have players and fans and not just a terrible owner have you?🤣

Airman has far more knowledge on how this club has been run and how it should be run than most on here. 
Maybe take on board what he says rather than have a sly dig.

The Chair of the Supporters Trust
The Charlton Athletic Fans Adviser

Not just the VOTV editor is it? 

Exactly. 
I've known Airman for many a year and I would put more trust in what he says than the people who dig him out.

That’s your prerogative and I respect the loyalty. for the record I’ve not said he is a liar, just that he is overly negative IMO, he took exception to it and in his good journalistic style decided to report all my comments are worthless, not for him to decide, even if they are.🤣. My issue isn’t with anyone else including you Blackpool.

Let’s be fair here. You’re having more a dig at him than he is at you. 

With respect actually no,  it’s been ongoing,What’s done is done, don’t mean to be rude it’s nothing to do with you. If you want to discuss and a have a view on my comments, fine. But don’t just jump on the Airman cheerleading team.

I’m not on anyone’s cheerleading team. Airman has made some negative comments. Some of which I admit I agree with. You’re the one that has took exception to his views which of course you’re entitled to. But don’t turn it round and accuse him of digging you out, it’s Boris Johnsonesk. 

Excuse me? Airman chose to get personal, you really haven’t read back have you. You are welcome to your opinion. I’m not going to get into an argument with you. I stick by my views, if you don’t like it skip my post. 

Well I’ve already read them so I can’t skip them. I think your the one who needs to have a re-read. 

I find it quite amusing that all this has been sparked by someone else (not @paulfox)posting my tweet on here simply in order to have a pop at me. I didn’t even post it on here. The poster did it in order to dig me out and for no other reason.

I personally don't think sandgaurd should have been suggesting the last 20 years of Charlton has been dreadful/negative etc. That is rather arrogant talk and he obviously also hasn't fully researched it enough. Just a tad lazy and stupid imo.
The club was doing great in the early 00s. A lot of people outside Charlton could clearly identify that at the time.

In terms of the upcoming season. Let's try and at least be realistic about it.

The pressure to get to the championship is required, yes, but do yourself a favour and try to enjoy the upcoming season. 

Football is not going to disappear. We are just going through a huge shit patch. It happens to almost every club at some point and it's within a certain time bracket.
We will get back to where we belong, eventually...

Get behind the players and the new manager. Remind yourself TS is not Hitler. He is simply just some Danish bloke.

My glass half empty assumption is Charlton will finish just outside the playoffs this season and 18months later, garner will be sacked.

Glass half full...2 options. 

Charlton will get knocked out play off semi final, but the following season, we will finish 2nd in the league.

Or, will finish outside the play offs but win the playoffs next season. 

I suggest being patient and not having a panic about it. Allow the new players to gel and feel a sense of loyal progression with the club. 

The more support they get, the better they will perform.

I don't agree with everything "Raging Rick" says, or does.

I sometimes think there is a fair criticism about how he speaks with authority about ticket promotions, and seemingly irrelevant back stage politics, yet ignores the conversation about the make up of our 3 man midfield at Accrington.

What i wont have is that he shit stires, makes things up, tries to be controversial for the sake of it.

Would @Airman Brown do anything to undermine, a legitimate, good owner moving things in the right direction?

Almost certainly not.  Will he call bullshit, when bullshit is presented?  Of course he will.

Can a good owner present bullshit every now and then, that needs calling out?

Obviously.  Calling bullshit, bullshit, isn't a crime.

Some people would do well to remember some of the bullshit Murray came out with in the "glory years".

carly burn said:

Airman Brown said:

Rothko said:

The clubs been a complete shambles from about 30 May 2006, and with occasional moment, been a mess since. 

Probably have to exclude the first 18 months of the spivs, given the performance on the pitch. But it was running on fumes even then, with hindsight.

No single man makes a football club.

But I think it's now fair to say that when Curbishley left it fuc*kng fell to bits!

It certainly did and, looking back, we’d have been far better off getting in a Mick McCarthy type manager that would have carried on the same pragmatic style as Curbishley than going down the Dowie path and spunking £10 million on champagne signings that went flat within weeks.

paulfox said:

blackpool72 said:

shirty5 said:

blackpool72 said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

nice to see the fans are as one and looking forward to the new season!!!. Not sure of peoples end game🤔😂

Yes, because a discussion on social media a week earlier about something wholly unrelated is going to seriously affect the players and fans at the opening games. How can anyone be expected to cope?

Alright touchy, you’ve noticed we have players and fans and not just a terrible owner have you?🤣

Airman has far more knowledge on how this club has been run and how it should be run than most on here. 
Maybe take on board what he says rather than have a sly dig.

The Chair of the Supporters Trust
The Charlton Athletic Fans Adviser

Not just the VOTV editor is it? 

Exactly. 
I've known Airman for many a year and I would put more trust in what he says than the people who dig him out.

That’s your prerogative and I respect the loyalty. for the record I’ve not said he is a liar, just that he is overly negative IMO, he took exception to it and in his good journalistic style decided to report all my comments are worthless, not for him to decide, even if they are.🤣. My issue isn’t with anyone else including you Blackpool.

It is not loyalty, it is looking at your sources and applying a value to them. Airman is probably one of the mosy reliable sources if not the most reliable one we have. Of course you need a open mind rather than hearing what you want to hear.

24 Red said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

paulfox said:

That’s your prerogative and I respect the loyalty. for the record I’ve not said he is a liar, just that he is overly negative IMO, he took exception to it and in his good journalistic style decided to report all my comments are worthless, not for him to decide, even if they are.🤣. My issue isn’t with anyone else including you Blackpool.

It is not loyalty, it is looking at your sources and applying a value to them. Airman is probably one of the mosy reliable sources if not the most reliable one we have. Of course you need a open mind rather than hearing what you want to hear.

I recall Airman Brown being criticised for his downbeat assessments of previous owners, but his insights and judgement have almost always been valuable and accurate so far. As he says himself, nobody knows how things will turn out and it is entirely legitimate to take a more upbeat view of our current situation but Airman rarely posts anything on here that doesn't have substance and you have to take it seriously, rather than seeing it as evidence of his unreasonable pessimism. With regards to the 'two decade' controversy, I agree that the tweet does come across slightly pedantic in isolation but when seen as part of the wider narrative Sandgaard is presenting about the past, it was worth calling him out on it. Sandgaard may yet rescue us from bad management but the measure of that will be when under his leadership CAFC is a thriving club in the Championship, our natural level I think.   

Agree with this line and it’s one that’s sometimes overlooked.

The Prem Years were our exception to the rule and as enjoyable as they were, for me, I would expect our natural place in the pecking order to be a touch above Millwall and similar to Palace. Around mid table in the Championship 

paulfox said:

blackpool72 said:

shirty5 said:

blackpool72 said:

paulfox said:

Airman Brown said:

paulfox said:

nice to see the fans are as one and looking forward to the new season!!!. Not sure of peoples end game🤔😂

Yes, because a discussion on social media a week earlier about something wholly unrelated is going to seriously affect the players and fans at the opening games. How can anyone be expected to cope?

Alright touchy, you’ve noticed we have players and fans and not just a terrible owner have you?🤣

Airman has far more knowledge on how this club has been run and how it should be run than most on here. 
Maybe take on board what he says rather than have a sly dig.

The Chair of the Supporters Trust
The Charlton Athletic Fans Adviser

Not just the VOTV editor is it? 

Exactly. 
I've known Airman for many a year and I would put more trust in what he says than the people who dig him out.

That’s your prerogative and I respect the loyalty. for the record I’ve not said he is a liar, just that he is overly negative IMO, he took exception to it and in his good journalistic style decided to report all my comments are worthless, not for him to decide, even if they are.🤣. My issue isn’t with anyone else including you Blackpool.

@blackpool72 can sleep easy at night now.

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