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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.9 -
My Newcastle supporting mate absolutely hated him, but could never really tell me why.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.7 -
Because he looked and sounded like a working-class bloke. The English are conditioned to believe in hierarchy. If Mike Ashley had worn a suit and tie and spoken in a RP accent, or if he'd been an OPEC prince with an air of Lordly disdain, it would have made sense within the rules of English forelock-tugging to believe in him as a rightful superior. Instead he's like your mate who won the lottery. Chancer dickhead.Cafc43v3r said:
My Newcastle supporting mate absolutely hated him, but could never really tell me why.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
I mean, plus he's a modern slavedriver, that doesn't help7 -
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My Newcastle supporting mate absolutely hated him, but could never really tell me why.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
Mike Ashley always appointed old and past it championship managers.
I'm surprised he didn't try and bring and bring Neil warnock in during his ownership.1 -
Oh well lynch him then, should have appointed an up and coming, hipster manager , and not backed him instead 😜Dave2l said:Cafc43v3r said:
My Newcastle supporting mate absolutely hated him, but could never really tell me why.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
Mike Ashley always appointed old and past it championship managers.
I'm surprised he didn't try and bring and bring Neil warnock in during his ownership.
Did pretty well, over all, at staying in the premier league, which a lot of teams don't manage.0 -
Rafa Benitez.Dave2l said:Cafc43v3r said:
My Newcastle supporting mate absolutely hated him, but could never really tell me why.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
Mike Ashley always appointed old and past it championship managers.
I'm surprised he didn't try and bring and bring Neil warnock in during his ownership.0 -
Didn't Ashley have connections to the spivs who owned us before RD?1
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I can't agree with that.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
His net spend on transfers was something like £3m a year while others spent millions, and while they were getting a load in TV money etc, plus he used them for however much free advertising.
He was like a Glazers-lite type in that respect.
He appointed the likes of Kinnear, McClaren, Pardew (recently sacked by L1 Southampton) etc. They got relegated twice under his ownership.
There are worse owners, but there are far better too.4 -
In my opinion Naby, unless the freehold is included then serious bids are not likely or perhaps bids such as Sandgaards, who clearly had no understanding of what he was buying, the debt he would run up and the fact that he now owns nothing but debt.NabySarr said:
We could be at a very cheap entry point though, if TS is reasonable (haha) then it will not cost much at all to buy the club and then can just keep the rent agreement in place. The cost of buying us and getting us to the premier league is therefore less than it would be for buying another similar sized club where the initial fee would be more substantial. That is where our attraction lies at the moment.Bailey said:
I think there might be cheaper options out there though. Negotiation with two parties, Club and Freehold wouldn't be easy either.MillwallFan said:
Christ, You’d bite Mike Ashley’s hand off at the moment wouldnt you?WSS said:I know it's mental saying this but I think Mike Ashley would be excellent for us. We'd not agree with all of his decisions (renaming the stadium) but I think we'd end up in a much better place than we have been for a few years.
Can't believe I typed that.If nothing else he’ll make you a decent prospect to sell on.Our only hopes are that eventually someone actually gets us to the premier league and then we might be able to afford to buy the assets back, or probably more likely Roland dies and the asking price is reduced2 -
I would take Mike Ashley for Charlton but he certainly isn't a hero and his reputation is rather sour. The bad vibes come from people who worked close to him.
If he owned Charlton I really don't think we would be flying towards the championship. It would just be a slightly better situation than what we've got now.
We would be more organised and normal2 - Sponsored links:
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can't believe we are embarking on another takeover saga - reading this thread, the deja vu's are popping up left right and centre - wake me up when this one is done - in fact, wake me up when this one is done and its all going well7
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I'm not so sure - I think given his whole business model around clubs is get them noticed and use that for advertising revenue etc, losing money in L1 wouldn't fit that.Dave2l said:I would take Mike Ashley for Charlton but he certainly isn't a hero and his reputation is rather sour. The bad vibes come from people who worked close to him.
If he owned Charlton I really don't think we would be flying towards the championship. It would just be a slightly better situation than what we've got now.
We would be more organised and normal
If he took us over (and I've not a clue whether he's any interest at all), I think he'd put in the funds to try and get at least into the Championship ASAP.
The two times he backed Newcastle well compared to teams around them were the two times they went down, to get them back up as soon as possible.1 -
If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time0
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Relegated twice, but bounced back immediately with investment. Why should the net spend be high when he was clearly re-investing player sales? That's a sensible way to run a football club.North Lower Neil said:
I can't agree with that.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
His net spend on transfers was something like £3m a year while others spent millions, and while they were getting a load in TV money etc, plus he used them for however much free advertising.
He was like a Glazers-lite type in that respect.
He appointed the likes of Kinnear, McClaren, Pardew (recently sacked by L1 Southampton) etc. They got relegated twice under his ownership.
There are worse owners, but there are far better too.
They didn't like finishing midtable and that's the problem.1 -
He did. Jimenez worked at Newcastle, although according to Keegan he was a joke. Nothing I saw of him at Charlton suggested otherwise to me. But that relationship was effectively severed by a court case, which Ashley won.East Kent Addick said:Didn't Ashley have connections to the spivs who owned us before RD?
I'm not keen on Ashley. I've no knowledge of him being interested either. But I don't think we can expect or demand the perfect owner.16 -
Who does?Croydon said:
Relegated twice, but bounced back immediately with investment. Why should the net spend be high when he was clearly re-investing player sales? That's a sensible way to run a football club.North Lower Neil said:
I can't agree with that.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
His net spend on transfers was something like £3m a year while others spent millions, and while they were getting a load in TV money etc, plus he used them for however much free advertising.
He was like a Glazers-lite type in that respect.
He appointed the likes of Kinnear, McClaren, Pardew (recently sacked by L1 Southampton) etc. They got relegated twice under his ownership.
There are worse owners, but there are far better too.
They didn't like finishing midtable and that's the problem.
I don't agree with the myth over Charlton fans thinking Curbishley had taken us as far as he could etc, but at the time there were still frustrations (nothing compares to now obviously!) at missing out on certain players, not pushing on when 7th etc in March, going from 9th one season to 14th the next, 7th to 11th & 13th etc. And we weren't a club with 55k a week in the ground and a whole city supporting them.
I don't blame Newcastle fans for wanting an owner who didn't take out of the club and got them relegated twice, they are a bigger club than that.0 -
Why? The lease is good for twelve or so years yet. What's the rush. Why not spend that money on the team, ONLY the team. That's the most important thing to do to get us moving in the right direction isn't it. The aim should be to get us to the Premier league and then pay RD what he wants.cabbles said:If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time
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This was as of 2019:
And apparently wages on turnover was around 52%.
Meanwhile the advertising was nearly all Sport Direct, everywhere around the club, so that turnover was a lot lower than it could have been.
Mike Ashley took money put.of Newcastle, rather than investing.
Again, I don't blame Newcastle fans for wanting someone who'd put money in instead.
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They don't get to play at The Valley and train at Sparrows Lane for free.swordfish said:
Why? The lease is good for twelve or so years yet. What's the rush. Why not spend that money on the team, ONLY the team. That's the most important thing to do to get us moving in the right direction isn't it. The aim should be to get us to the Premier league and then pay RD what he wants.cabbles said:If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time1 -
yeah, I'd hate to be a Newcastle fan, mostly pissing about mid table in the Premier League, gates around 50k, much more fun flirting with relegation to League Two in front of gates of less than 10k.17
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Didn't Ashley take Newcastle over in 2007, the year we got relegated from the top table? I know whose footballing times I'd have taken since then between the two clubs...2
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You run the risk of ending up in exactly the same position as TS is now. At least if they purchase the valley and sparrow lane, if it goes wrong for them or they want to get out at some point, they have something of financial value they can sell.swordfish said:
Why? The lease is good for twelve or so years yet. What's the rush. Why not spend that money on the team, ONLY the team. That's the most important thing to do to get us moving in the right direction isn't it. The aim should be to get us to the Premier league and then pay RD what he wants.cabbles said:If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time
As much as I was grateful for TS’ investment, I think the fact he doesn’t own the ground and SL has perhaps made him quicker to throw in the towel
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They did ok, not sure they did "very well". They were relegated twice although came straight back up as champions both times. A club like Newcastle rightly want to be in the top 10 and he didn't really manage that, but I'd certainly argue that he wasn't a terrible owner, just not a great one.Stu_of_Kunming said:
They’re also generally total idiots, they did very well under Ashley.Clem_Snide said:LNewcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.0 -
I would have Ashley all day, all his business he buys when they’re at the bottom and sells them for a huge profit, which to him is the Premier League. Ok he didn't spend a lot when they were in the premier league, but when they got relegated, which I think is twice, he certainly but his hands in his pocket to make sure they go straight back up…… Who wouldn’t want that now?
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I'm not saying don't pay the bills, but focus on improving the squad as the number one priority.WSS said:
They don't get to play at The Valley and train at Sparrows Lane for free.swordfish said:
Why? The lease is good for twelve or so years yet. What's the rush. Why not spend that money on the team, ONLY the team. That's the most important thing to do to get us moving in the right direction isn't it. The aim should be to get us to the Premier league and then pay RD what he wants.cabbles said:If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time0 -
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His intentions were laudable, his execution laughable. Get in someone with a bit of nous to prioritse getting us out of this god awful league at the top end and the fans will buy into it.cabbles said:
You run the risk of ending up in exactly the same position as TS is now. At least if they purchase the valley and sparrow lane, if it goes wrong for them or they want to get out at some point, they have something of financial value they can sell.swordfish said:
Why? The lease is good for twelve or so years yet. What's the rush. Why not spend that money on the team, ONLY the team. That's the most important thing to do to get us moving in the right direction isn't it. The aim should be to get us to the Premier league and then pay RD what he wants.cabbles said:If there are interested parties and we get taken over again in the next 12 months for example, that’s hell of a lot of money TS has pissed away.I can’t imagine there will be a bidding war, and whoever takes us over would be more interested in securing the valley and sparrows lane, as opposed to just the football club this time
As much as I was grateful for TS’ investment, I think the fact he doesn’t own the ground and SL has perhaps made him quicker to throw in the towel
We need someone who can sustain the level of losses for a period of time. Wednesday have such a benefactor, so no reason to believe others aren't out there.0 -
I assume he means off the pitch discipline and not on the pitch?J BLOCK said:
Because AFC Wimbledon currently sit bottom of the fair play league for the on the pitch stuff.2 -
That looks like a very sensible way to run a football club. They were in the prem for 90% of that, the guy knows what he is doingNorth Lower Neil said:This was as of 2019:
And apparently wages on turnover was around 52%.
Meanwhile the advertising was nearly all Sport Direct, everywhere around the club, so that turnover was a lot lower than it could have been.
Mike Ashley took money put.of Newcastle, rather than investing.
Again, I don't blame Newcastle fans for wanting someone who'd put money in instead.10 -
Depends what he'd do in League 1. We're going mad at Sandgaard for thinking he can go anywhere close to break even. If Ashley came in and spent money with the idea of getting a lot more "sensible" in the Prem it could work, but if he comes in being tight from the get-go I'm not sure it's much different.CAFCsayer said:
That looks like a very sensible way to run a football club. They were in the prem for 90% of that, the guy knows what he is doingNorth Lower Neil said:This was as of 2019:
And apparently wages on turnover was around 52%.
Meanwhile the advertising was nearly all Sport Direct, everywhere around the club, so that turnover was a lot lower than it could have been.
Mike Ashley took money put.of Newcastle, rather than investing.
Again, I don't blame Newcastle fans for wanting someone who'd put money in instead.0
