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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)

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  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,284
    carly burn said:
    EugenesAxe said:
    Covered End said:
    EugenesAxe said:
    robroy said:
    Shoot me down, but this is 100% a property play with RD. TS will get a cut and off into the sunset they go. 


    Well there has always been a wiff that they may be in league, how come Thomas could get Roland to sell when noone else could.
    TS bought from ESI not RD.
    He made a lease agreement with RD.
    Just suppose for a moment that ESI sold on ‘behalf’ of RD in some form, would that fly?
     Why ditch ESI for Sandgaard if that were the case?
    They were making a perfectly good fist of destroying the club and would have happily taken any cut of a property play.
    Praps because they were doing too good a job? RD wanted someone who ‘maybe’ might progress the club after all, it’s just latterly TS is cocking it up after all?
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    edited October 2022
    EugenesAxe said:
    carly burn said:
    EugenesAxe said:
    Covered End said:
    EugenesAxe said:
    robroy said:
    Shoot me down, but this is 100% a property play with RD. TS will get a cut and off into the sunset they go. 


    Well there has always been a wiff that they may be in league, how come Thomas could get Roland to sell when noone else could.
    TS bought from ESI not RD.
    He made a lease agreement with RD.
    Just suppose for a moment that ESI sold on ‘behalf’ of RD in some form, would that fly?
     Why ditch ESI for Sandgaard if that were the case?
    They were making a perfectly good fist of destroying the club and would have happily taken any cut of a property play.
    Praps because they were doing too good a job? RD wanted someone who ‘maybe’ might progress the club after all, it’s just latterly TS is cocking it up after all?
    Give the tin foil hat stuff a rest. 
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,284
    se9addick said:
    EugenesAxe said:
    carly burn said:
    EugenesAxe said:
    Covered End said:
    EugenesAxe said:
    robroy said:
    Shoot me down, but this is 100% a property play with RD. TS will get a cut and off into the sunset they go. 


    Well there has always been a wiff that they may be in league, how come Thomas could get Roland to sell when noone else could.
    TS bought from ESI not RD.
    He made a lease agreement with RD.
    Just suppose for a moment that ESI sold on ‘behalf’ of RD in some form, would that fly?
     Why ditch ESI for Sandgaard if that were the case?
    They were making a perfectly good fist of destroying the club and would have happily taken any cut of a property play.
    Praps because they were doing too good a job? RD wanted someone who ‘maybe’ might progress the club after all, it’s just latterly TS is cocking it up after all?
    Give the tin foil hat stuff a rest. 
    Hardly, and it’s not even my opinion, I’m just talking.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Sandgaard losing 20mil whilst trying to destroy the club to what, get a few quid from Roland is arguably the most bizarre theory I’ve ever heard. 
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,284
    What do you all want, applause?
    I’ve noticed on here every so often there’s a pile on in here, is it my turn tonight?
    just ignore me if you don’t agree.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Human nature to look for connections and explanations where none exist.
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    EugenesAxe said:
    What do you all want, applause?
    I’ve noticed on here every so often there’s a pile on in here, is it my turn tonight?
    just ignore me if you don’t agree.
    Will do.
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,284
    Callumcafc said:
    Human nature to look for connections and explanations where none exist.
    Yea fair enough and I agree
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,284
    bolloxbolder said:
    EugenesAxe said:
    What do you all want, applause?
    I’ve noticed on here every so often there’s a pile on in here, is it my turn tonight?
    just ignore me if you don’t agree.
    Will do.
    Easy isn’t it
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,768
    Don't think any conspiracy, just believe TS is completely out of his depth. Thrown dummy out if pram when things are failing, and when he thinks they should be going well. Won't accept he is wrong and so cannot adapt the strategy or listen to those with experience. Bloke just needs to sell up and run back to the US.
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  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,284
    fenlandaddick said:
    Don't think any conspiracy, just believe TS is completely out of his depth. Thrown dummy out if pram when things are failing, and when he thinks they should be going well. Won't accept he is wrong and so cannot adapt the strategy or listen to those with experience. Bloke just needs to sell up and run back to the US.
    I think I’m just hoping there’s a more exciting explanation than Thomas just being an idiot 😩
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,265
    I think we can all agree that Charlton have been blessed with two egotists and a bunch of crooks and until we get past this period in our history we will all be asking why ?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,991
    edited October 2022
    EugenesAxe said:
    What do you all want, applause?
    I’ve noticed on here every so often there’s a pile on in here, is it my turn tonight?
    just ignore me if you don’t agree.
    Apologies, but you typed a load of conspiracy theory nonsense and then asked our opinion (a ? means someone is looking for responses).

    You get a few replies saying you're talking nonsense (you asked) and then you accuse the people that replied to your question of piling on.

    Maybe re-read what you said and in particular understand that by asking a question, the rest of us assumed you were expecting a response to the question you posed.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    The fact is, Sandgaard threw a lot of money around when he entered the scene. He wasted a lot of it but it tells you he came into this to be a success. Something has changed of course, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with Roland.
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 1,768
    EugenesAxe said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Don't think any conspiracy, just believe TS is completely out of his depth. Thrown dummy out if pram when things are failing, and when he thinks they should be going well. Won't accept he is wrong and so cannot adapt the strategy or listen to those with experience. Bloke just needs to sell up and run back to the US.
    I think I’m just hoping there’s a more exciting explanation than Thomas just being an idiot 😩

    Maybe you a right, it is all conjecture and opinion. I just hope we get some luck on the owner front. Club needs investment and stability. Just so we can worry about the football instead.
  • Bilko
    Bilko Posts: 767
    I must admit I did find it a bit strange when all the takeover talk was taking place with various other parties being mentioned, then up pops TS out of nowhere to get the deal done and quite quickly.
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,284
    Covered End said:
    EugenesAxe said:
    What do you all want, applause?
    I’ve noticed on here every so often there’s a pile on in here, is it my turn tonight?
    just ignore me if you don’t agree.
    Apologies, but you typed a load of conspiracy theory nonsense and then asked our opinion (a ? means someone is looking for responses).

    You get a few replies saying you're talking nonsense (you asked) and then you accuse the people that replied to your question of piling on.

    Maybe re-read what you said and in particular understand that by asking a question, the rest of us assumed you were expecting a response to the question you posed.
    Yea I get all that, and thanks for the reasoned reply, I just forgot noone on here has any grey areas with their opinions.
    My mistake.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,991
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    The fact is, Sandgaard threw a lot of money around when he entered the scene. He wasted a lot of it but it tells you he came into this to be a success. Something has changed of course, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with Roland.
    He got bad advice from Roddy.
    Covid struck badly effecting revenue.
    Share price fell 75%.
    Lost his "biggest customer" and may now have to repay monies as well to his "biggest customer".
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,265
    Bilko said:
    I must admit I did find it a bit strange when all the takeover talk was taking place with various other parties being mentioned, then up pops TS out of nowhere to get the deal done and quite quickly.
    That's a fair point. 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,737
    edited October 2022
    Scoham said:

    No twitter acct so could someone please enlarge these as too small to read, thanks.
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  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,284
    Bilko said:
    I must admit I did find it a bit strange when all the takeover talk was taking place with various other parties being mentioned, then up pops TS out of nowhere to get the deal done and quite quickly.
    Exactly, where’s my bloody tin hat I’m putting it back on!
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,010
    Redmidland said:
    Well, well! I've just received an email from the club, thanking me for my attendance at the Exeter game and hoping I enjoyed it as much as they did.....I DIDN'T GO!! I was at home not willing to travel down on a Tuesday to watch what had been, up until Tuesday, a pile of crap.
    Yes I'm a ST holder, but have been ti just 3 games this season, due to poor performances. 
    Yet this is the first time they've thanked me for going!! Oh and then asked if I want to buy a ticket for next Monday? I'm a ST holder why would I want to buy a ticket!
    Fuck me they can't even get that right....unbelievable!
    We're Charlton not Real Madrid. If poor performances are going to stop you going then you follow the club. You might as well have saved your money, we've been poor for years!

    Although having said that we're actually unbeaten at home.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Bailey said:
    Bilko said:
    I must admit I did find it a bit strange when all the takeover talk was taking place with various other parties being mentioned, then up pops TS out of nowhere to get the deal done and quite quickly.
    That's a fair point. 
    Sandgaard popped out of nowhere because he was willing to meet Roland’s terms on the rent and was willing to buy the club without owning the assets 
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,265
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Bailey said:
    Bilko said:
    I must admit I did find it a bit strange when all the takeover talk was taking place with various other parties being mentioned, then up pops TS out of nowhere to get the deal done and quite quickly.
    That's a fair point. 
    Sandgaard popped out of nowhere because he was willing to meet Roland’s terms on the rent and was willing to buy the club without owning the assets 
    Sorry but I believed this involved a third party in ESI. There may be nothing in it but at what point did Dutchelet declare ESI were in default by either not abiding by their contract or defaulting on payments ? Which is the same thing. As I say there may be nothing in it but I think it's a fair point. 
  • robroy
    robroy Posts: 4,425
    All this talk of TS spending £20million is laughable, he paid £1million and we had £400k in the bank. He took a loan of £300k. These are only the things we now know about.

    what else has gone on? 

    We are in serious trouble by the sounds of things 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Bailey said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Bailey said:
    Bilko said:
    I must admit I did find it a bit strange when all the takeover talk was taking place with various other parties being mentioned, then up pops TS out of nowhere to get the deal done and quite quickly.
    That's a fair point. 
    Sandgaard popped out of nowhere because he was willing to meet Roland’s terms on the rent and was willing to buy the club without owning the assets 
    Sorry but I believed this involved a third party in ESI. There may be nothing in it but at what point did Dutchelet declare ESI were in default by either not abiding by their contract or defaulting on payments ? Which is the same thing. As I say there may be nothing in it but I think it's a fair point. 
    Didn't ESI have to pay a certain figure for the assets? Either way, Roland didn't have to declare ESI were in default, it was obvious they couldn't pay and they were selling the club to Sandgaard. What would Roland have had to gain by not negotiating with Sandgaard? 

    I don't think it's a fair point at all to be honest, it makes zero sense. What would Sandgaard gain?
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Redmidland said:
    Well, well! I've just received an email from the club, thanking me for my attendance at the Exeter game and hoping I enjoyed it as much as they did.....I DIDN'T GO!! I was at home not willing to travel down on a Tuesday to watch what had been, up until Tuesday, a pile of crap.
    Yes I'm a ST holder, but have been ti just 3 games this season, due to poor performances. 
    Yet this is the first time they've thanked me for going!! Oh and then asked if I want to buy a ticket for next Monday? I'm a ST holder why would I want to buy a ticket!
    Fuck me they can't even get that right....unbelievable!
    We're Charlton not Real Madrid. If poor performances are going to stop you going then you follow the club. You might as well have saved your money, we've been poor for years!

    Although having said that we're actually unbeaten at home.
    Three wins and three draws at home this season (think it’s five wins if you include cup matches) - pretty good value for ST holders so far!
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    It’s almost as if TS wants shot of the club and to sabotage it at the same time. 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    edited October 2022
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Scoham said:

    No twitter acct so could someone please enlarge these as too small to read, thanks.
    I just save it to the desktop & enlarge it on there
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,284
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Bailey said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Bailey said:
    Bilko said:
    I must admit I did find it a bit strange when all the takeover talk was taking place with various other parties being mentioned, then up pops TS out of nowhere to get the deal done and quite quickly.
    That's a fair point. 
    Sandgaard popped out of nowhere because he was willing to meet Roland’s terms on the rent and was willing to buy the club without owning the assets 
    Sorry but I believed this involved a third party in ESI. There may be nothing in it but at what point did Dutchelet declare ESI were in default by either not abiding by their contract or defaulting on payments ? Which is the same thing. As I say there may be nothing in it but I think it's a fair point. 
    Didn't ESI have to pay a certain figure for the assets? Either way, Roland didn't have to declare ESI were in default, it was obvious they couldn't pay and they were selling the club to Sandgaard. What would Roland have had to gain by not negotiating with Sandgaard? 

    I don't think it's a fair point at all to be honest, it makes zero sense. IWhat would Sandgaard gain?
    RD needed to get the club back off ESI who were shafting it left right and centre, in return Thommy gets a cut when RD ultimately finds a buyer for the whole shebang.

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