Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)

ShootersHillGuru said:

Airman Brown said:

valleynick66 said:

Airman Brown said:

LonelyNorthernAddick said:

Airman Brown said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 

Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.

In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 

I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 

How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?

There is interest, but these things are always a dance. 

Problem with our waltz is that there are three people in it. Sandgaard, Duchatelet and buyer. 

carly burn said:

Airman Brown said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 

Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.

 You make it sound like Sandgaard is the main stumbling block here?
If he's a stumbling block then surely Duchatelet is a huge f**k off brick wall?
When did he become someone that just needs his tummy tickled all of a sudden??

StrikerFirmani said:

The Red Robin said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Airman Brown said:

valleynick66 said:

Airman Brown said:

LonelyNorthernAddick said:

Airman Brown said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 

Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.

In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 

I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 

How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?

There is interest, but these things are always a dance. 

Problem with our waltz is that there are three people in it. Sandgaard, Duchatelet and buyer. 

And what are they actually getting for their money from Sandgaard?

FL membership, playing squad (put your own value on that if any) a lease agreement for The Valley & SL and the cherry on top is a massive big debt. 

ShootersHillGuru said:

The Red Robin said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Airman Brown said:

valleynick66 said:

Airman Brown said:

LonelyNorthernAddick said:

Airman Brown said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 

Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.

In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 

I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 

How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?

There is interest, but these things are always a dance. 

Problem with our waltz is that there are three people in it. Sandgaard, Duchatelet and buyer. 

And what are they actually getting for their money from Sandgaard?

A money pit and average third teir players. Virtually nothing to be honest apart from the lottery ticket of success.

ShootersHillGuru said:

God this is a depressing thread. What is it with our effing club that we just keep attracting spivs, crooks, nutters and egomaniacs for owners. Next time lucky ?

thenewbie said:

carly burn said:

Airman Brown said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 

Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.

 You make it sound like Sandgaard is the main stumbling block here?
If he's a stumbling block then surely Duchatelet is a huge f**k off brick wall?
When did he become someone that just needs his tummy tickled all of a sudden??

Because until someone can deal with Sandgaard Duchatalet isn't part of the equation. You have to get some sort of agreement with TS before Roly's demands even become relevant.

The following is from Saturday's Guardian writing about Coventry City. It's not precisely applicable to Charlton, but the overall message is.

For Dr Dan Plomley, a specialist in sports finance at Sheffield Hallam University, owning your own ground is crucial for professional sports clubs, especially those outside the Premier League. “The ground is the main asset a club uses to generate money,” he says. “Clubs don’t have a lot of physical assets: it’s pretty much training ground and stadium for the most part. So for a club to be in control of that is always the number one thing. Coventry City have been playing second fiddle [to] Wasps since they took it over in 2014. The minute you become a tenant in your own home it’s a problem.”

Perhaps the one thing worse than being a tenant in your own home is not having a home at all. Wasps’ owners uprooted a club that had a century-long history in London, taking them first to High Wycombe before landing in Coventry where the team, in their latter years especially, have played fixtures to banks of empty sky blue seats. Meanwhile, over the period of Sisu’s ownership, Coventry City have endured two periods of exile, first in Northampton, then in Birmingham. A return to the CBS Arena, under whatever terms, was celebrated by fans.

The full article is here: 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/oct/28/coventry-city-wasps-cbs-arena

AFKABartram said:

Airman Brown said:

valleynick66 said:

Airman Brown said:

LonelyNorthernAddick said:

Airman Brown said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Whilst it must be clear to everyone the situation and TS’ running of the club is far from ideal, until someone is prepared to pay what it takes to do a better job, we’re stuck with him. 

Unfortunately I don’t see him changing his ways, so the only hope is the price tag becomes more realistic for those interested. 

Until and unless he is willing to get out of the way we won’t find out whether that is a possibility.

In your opinion, if someone came to TS and offered him a sum he deemed a reasonable amount to buy the club, do you think TS would genuinely entertain it? Or is he too committed/invested in being the power that be in SE7? 

I don't know what he would deem a reasonable amount and I doubt his opening position is where he would end up, but he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that this is only going to end one way, which I'm sure is difficult for him. 

How does this align with your previous observation there are potential bidders in the background?

There is always a 'price' but surely that's only identified when parties start talking to each other. Are there 'talks' however tentative / high level?

There is interest, but these things are always a dance. 

Blimey, that Nicko from the Sun has taken over Airman’s account

CAFCTrev said:

cabbles said:

rananegra said:

Eventually these issues will attract media attention outside of the Charlton-focused local stuff. 

I don’t think it will.  I think that unless TS pulls his cash (he may well do), the working conditions for the non playing staff aren’t that hot a topic for anyone outside of here and those affected, aside from a bit of local coverage.  I’m not dismissing the stress and experiences those affected have gone through, more highlighting that unless we run into the sorts of issues Wigan are going through re: players being paid late, who cares? 

Again, that’s not to sound harsh to those impacted, but we’re so far off being a story on any other level than the SLP at the moment.  Maybe TalkSPORT and Jim White might circle if he thinks TS is showing signs of poor ownership, but I think outside of the however many on here that discuss this thread, I reckon the interest among our own fans is pretty non existent 

Exactly, and its easy to fall into the trap of assuming that your average Charlton is as engaged with the inner runnings of the club as we are in the CharltonLife bubble. You're average Charlton fan just gets his or her Charlton news from the local paper, the matchday programme and the OWS. They probably couldn't name anyone working at the club outside of the 1st team manager and assistant. 

SoundAsa£ said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

God this is a depressing thread. What is it with our effing club that we just keep attracting spivs, crooks, nutters and egomaniacs for owners. Next time lucky ?

Life is like a chicken coop ladder.
Short and full of shit.

Bailey said:

I think it's a waiting game with Sandgaard. There is probably still part of him that thinks this might work out, but he probably knows that's a long shot. His comment about cost reductions would not bring a break-even situation on its own was interesting, then how does he think he'll reach cost neutral then or has he now woken up to the fact that he has come out with another dopey statement to add to his list of dopey statements.