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Holden sacked?! (Ed. Yes - Confirmed)
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People keep saying he had not been backed but then I kept reading we had a good window.3
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This kind of thing is weird too… managers don’t get promoted because they’ve been in a job a long time, they’re in a job a long time because they got promoted.Powell had a poor six months but he turned results around in his first full season and stayed in a job. He’d have gone before Xmas 2011 if we were mid table.
Bowyer was an interim turned permanent boss when he surprised everyone by how decent his teams were, getting us into the playoffs with a strong run of form and then promoted twelve months later. If his interim spell hadn’t gone as well, he likely would’ve been gone after three months.25 -
Think people were just after a bit of stability tbh mate. And the fact DH came over like a good bloke, I suppose, made many want it to work with him. Also think that not everyone can be particularly bothered to air criticism at the first sign of shit football and / or tactics, especially at Charlton.Croydon said:Tell you what, that visit to The Oak has got him some staunch support for what was overall a pretty poor footballing period.
Now the axe has fallen, probably best to move forward to the next 3 month (ha) rather than criticise other supporters would preferred to see how it went.....👍7 -
When Chem Campbell signed on Wednesday and said he’d spoken to the gaffer did anyone think to ask which one he meant?9
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I thought it was strange he was pictured shaking hands with senior management and not Dean Holden at the valley. I know it might happen often but I did think it was a bit odd that he wasn’t there when he signed the deal. Probably perfecting the Alfie may throw in on the training pitch at that timeLargeAddick said:When Chem Campbell signed on Wednesday and said he’d spoken to the gaffer did anyone think to ask which one he meant?5 -
Dean, if you're reading this - Sorry to kick you when you're down but I've been told to inform you that you're also barred from The Rose.3
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That is Methven with the blue sleeves isn't it with Rodwell to his left ?usetobunkin said:
Charlton board are drawing up a short list of prospective managers 3 -
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A bit like Eddie Firmani playing Mike Kenning at left back in the 0-5 defeat by Leicester, he got the sack too.JamesSeed said:
And playing Edun at CM and CBT as wingback was insane, damaging our attack and defence in one fell swoop.SDAddick said:
He didn't have to start Deji, Anderson, and Kanu yesterday. He chose to with more experienced players left on the bench.SELR_addicks said:
"nor his development of many younger players....because we have forced him to play them due to lack of investment."
(I'm a big fan of Eddie before anyone slates me, just pointing out a fact)3 -
Why not ?DamoNorthStand said:
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Of course, we all see things differently but I don't get the, 'He hasn't been supported' view.
The players brought in should be improving the squad. May, Camara, Edun, etc. The kid brought in on loan looked pretty decent by all accounts.
None of us know what went on but I wonder if there was some kind of pissing contest between Holden and Scott, regarding player recruitment and selection?
Either way, after Saturday's debacle, Holden definitely lost the argument and to me, the decisive action is a positive for our club.
Shows me that the aim is success - and as much as a nice guy Holden seemed to be, the SMT didn't feel he would bring it where it really matters, so they didn't hang about doing something about it. I prefer that.
So, thanks, Dean and I wish you well and now, Andy -show us what you've got.6 -
What a rogues gallery that is. Terrible times.carly burn said:9 -
Methven will increase prices to make up for less fans in his never ending pursuit of saving 6 mill a season.Wheresmeticket? said:We'll smash division 4, and tickets will be cheaper.
We need to concentrate on building in January for our 2025 promotion push.
Hmm I wonder if he had already budgeted for paying off Holdens three year contract when he came out with that bullshit.1 -
Sir Chris is available after leaving Spurs. Approaching 10 years since Roland sacked him. Hopeully he'll get an interview and will be in the mix.9
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If Johnson comes in I'm getting punchy.
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Not surprised, it has been an awful start, and Holden has looked clueless. Recruitment hasn’t been great, but let’s not forget he wanted the small trim squad, but he has left himself exposed.
strange time to sack though, just before the end of the window, with who ever comes in my want different type of player, but I suppose ground work for who is coming in is done.
feel sorry for Dean it hasn’t work, he is a good guy!2 -
As much as I feel bad for Holden, his tactics were absolutely shocking.
There didn't seem to be a clear style of play. We were supposedly implementing a high press, but never seemed to win the hall high. Players were playing roles that just don't suit them.As long as it isn't Johnson I'll give the new manager a chance. If it is, I think that's my cue to take a break.6 -
100% this - I said this before the Oxford game, and I was getting a lot of stick for itLaddick01 said:As much as I feel bad for Holden, his tactics were absolutely shocking.
There didn't seem to be a clear style of play. We were supposedly implementing a high press, but never seemed to win the hall high. Players were playing roles that just don't suit them.As long as it isn't Johnson I'll give the new manager a chance. If it is, I think that's my cue to take a break.0 -
Well perhaps the No dickheads policy went with Dean so welcome Lee Johnson
I really hope not!
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I actually had a video ready but then went against it as it felt really cruel discussing a bloke losing his job, that's why I was cautious in regards to Dean on Charlton Live.
I feel in the minority here though, I think he had to go, last 10 games including the back end of last season. 10 games played, 3 wins, 1 draw, 6 losses. 4 of the losses came after time with the squad and a pre-season. Two clean sheets in that time, scoring 13 and conceding 21. Really abysmal stuff. I bought into his talk genuinely, but proof was in the pudding and Holden just didn't have the recipe sadly.
In regards to Lee Johnson, I think that's the next Charlton manager, so I have to ask, why are people losing their s**t over him? Did he say something that I missed or is it just the 'better then sex' comment.
I've seen fans saying they're gonna boycott if he is announced, where is this level of hatred coming from? His win percentage was very respectable at Oldham, Bristol City & Sunderland. He had never lost more than he had won until Hibs. Over 500 games managed so he would be our most experienced manager since Karl Robinson.
Either way as much as Lee Johnson wouldn't be my ideal candidate, I imagine he would give us a better chance at getting somewhere than Holden did?
Maybe I'm being too positive7 -
I think with Johnson, it is not so much his managerial record, which is pretty good to be fair, it is the personality that seems an issue.. Suppose was a bit like Robinson when he come in!Braziliance said:I actually had a video ready but then went against it as it felt really cruel discussing a bloke losing his job, that's why I was cautious in regards to Dean on Charlton Live.
I feel in the minority here though, I think he had to go, last 10 games including the back end of last season. 10 games played, 3 wins, 1 draw, 6 losses. 4 of the losses came after time with the squad and a pre-season. Two clean sheets in that time, scoring 13 and conceding 21. Really abysmal stuff. I bought into his talk genuinely, but proof was in the pudding and Holden just didn't have the recipe sadly.
In regards to Lee Johnson, I think that's the next Charlton manager, so I have to ask, why are people losing their s**t over him? Did he say something that I missed or is it just the 'better then sex' comment.
I've seen fans saying they're gonna boycott if he is announced, where is this level of hatred coming from? His win percentage was very respectable at Oldham, Bristol City & Sunderland. He had never lost more than he had won until Hibs. Over 500 games managed so he would be our most experienced manager since Karl Robinson.
Either way as much as Lee Johnson wouldn't be my ideal candidate, I imagine he would give us a better than at getting somewhere then Holden did?
Maybe I'm being too positive
Personally I would like to see Moore or Bowyer come in, but let's see. They would have had someone lined up already I think!3 -
Get some sleep Braziliance2
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Utter shambles and beyond depressing.Repeat, repeat, repeat.
I dread to think where the club is in 5 years.1 -
Why?Wheresmeticket? said:Well we aren't getting any more players in now.Most managers do t get a say in the players anyway.I was out with a womble last week
amd he told me that signing players has been taken away from Jackson. He tells their DoF what position he wants, what type of player and it's done for him. He can concentrate on coaching. It's the modern way with most clubs following this approach3 -
My view is it was the correct decision. We are awful! No identity, no style of play, the manager does not know his best 11 or formation.
we have lost 5 out of 6 games this season. In 3 of those, we have conceded in the last 10
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we were also 3-0 down against Aberdeen and they missed a penalty. He didn't learn from his mistakes
Back end of last season, we lost to morecombe at home!Good decision, something needed to change as I don't think he was good enough to turn this around.9 -
Recruitment has not been good enough. That is not on Holden and it didn’t make his job any easier.However, in my opinion, pre-season was a bit shambolic. Lots of players have started the season looking unfit and unready. Tactically we look a bit all over the place and the team is not well drilled or organized. None of the problems of last season have been fixed, or look close to being fixed and some of the things that were, supposedly, being specifically targeted for improvement have got no better at all. All those things, I think, can be laid at the door of Holden.I feel for him, though. He’s clearly a very decent, well intentioned chap, who I suspect has been well and truly stitched up but the new regime. However, from day one he seemed to be more about motivation and emotion, which can help get you to success, but without some substance in the form of tactics and player improvement it will ultimately fail when the novelty wears off. When I saw a video of the squad in Spain lying on a beach doing breathing exercises it gave me flash backs to Adkins and looked like the sort of thing that players will put up with when we’re winning but can quickly become something to be mocked and that lose you a dressing room when results turn. Sadly for Holden, we never really started winning.I’d have liked him to succeed but he’s never convinced me he was likely to.However, him being sacked raises all sorts of red flags about the new ownership/management of the club. He was “their man” after all and the backing they’ve given him is not even paper thin. What a shitty way to treat a person. And it puts us another step (on top of the inadequate recruitment) down the path to repeating all the same mistakes AGAIN.
I hope Holden finds something fulfilling away from the vipers nest of football. I think he deserves it and his good nature is probably better suited to a less poisonous industry.Personally, I feel on the verge of giving up on it as well. There’s precious little left to enjoy about Charlton these days and what’s the point of this if you can’t find any enjoyment in it anymore?17 -
Start the season with play off hopes. Lost 4 games and sacked the manager before the transfer window has even closed.
What a club. They should start one of those Amazon documentaries on us, we're a complete basket case.14 -
Probably bobbing around mid table in this division like we have for what feels like the last 15 years, with the odd moment of something better for a season.Valley11 said:Utter shambles and beyond depressing.Repeat, repeat, repeat.
I dread to think where the club is in 5 years.
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Usually I get a bit of a feel when a manager has come to a natural end, whichever club it is. It's usually a bad run of results culminating in a right tonking or 2. The latter never happened here so I am a bit surprised by the timing, in particular with the window still just about open.
That said 5 defeats in a row is pretty shocking and I'm not sure what Saturday's starting line up was all about, so Deano didn't help himself here.
But I'm also one for seeing a manager given time to turn things around when it starts to go wrong. Otherwise you never really know what might have been. So it smacks of either a fall out behind the scenes or the new board trying to distance themselves from the current position we find ourselves in in the table.
All things considered I'd have given Holden more time but I think its fair to say there have been far greater travesties over the years. Neither the current form or league table makes good reading for CAFC.
And so it's now onto the next one to give our support to whoever they may be. Happy for Pearcey to be given a few games to see what he can do. But I do favour the old school managers who have a bit of nastiness about them and know how to get out of this hell hole of a league. 442 would be nice too please. So a Cotterill or Steve Evans would do me just fine.0
