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Holden sacked?! (Ed. Yes - Confirmed)
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Based on what Darren Moore said about leaving Sheff Weds, they parted ways due to not agreeing on transfer targets and improving squad. So can't see him working here when he won't have control and is likely to be told to keep squad as is.7
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Is it true they were sacked by carrier pigeon?2
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If we could get Moore or Wilder would be over the moon, but cant awe them dropping this low2
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Absolutely.swordfish said:
So Methven has the same control Sandgaard had and is running the show with everyone else involved his puppets. It's all on him alone is what you're saying.BigDiddy said:
If you believe that, good luck.RonnieMoore said:BigDiddy said:Do we have to keep going over the same old crap … CM had no say in this he not making them decisions .. this come from high down to Andy Scott and Rodwell … New manager will be decided by Andy Scott and Peter Storrie who is still at the club till Friday
CM is the chief architect of this takeover and what is following.
No manager, no time left in the window, no squad, no hope.Pearce and Hayes will do their best.
Are you confident in the new ownership and SMT?They will be taking money out in wages and expenses. The yanks will probably underwrite some costs but the club will be losing money unless someone pumps in equity/cash.
Unless we see something of real substance from CM about funding the club, I reckon they will be punting it for sale again, probably around Xmas.0 -
they also didn’t want to pay himbellz2002 said:Based on what Darren Moore said about leaving Sheff Weds, they parted ways due to not agreeing on transfer targets and improving squad. So can't see him working here when he won't have control and is likely to be told to keep squad as is.0 -
Why do this now and not last week? Why sack Senda and G/K coach, but not Hayes? I would've thought they would have had a manager and backroom team ready to go? But no, we have asked Jason and Hayes to take interim charge, yet the transfer window closes this week, call me sceptical but is this a ready made excuse for NOT strengthening the squad?
Cheap options seem to be the order of the day....again! I really want to be wrong on the new owners but so far I'm hardly impressed, in fact I can't see any change from the previous incumbents over the last 10 years!8 -
Any sacking that isn’t face to face where people can look each other in the eye, stinks to high heaven.
There is no justification for it if it is true.16 -
My £50 bet on Charlton winning the league is not looking good at all.62
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Apart from dobbo and may who else gets in promotion chasing teams in our division from our current squad of shiteLargeAddick said:Yes the squad has issues to be addressed but no way with the players available should we have lost five on the spin. I liked Dean as a person but I just don’t think he cuts it as a manager. Saturday was a clusterfuck from the time the team was selected, gawd knows what he was thinking of. I think the right decision has been made. I just hope there is a plan in place to get us out of this mess.0 -
Jury out on May. Dobbo would get in most sides and CBT would get in most squads as an impact player .CAFCBourne said:
Apart from dobbo and may who else gets in promotion chasing teams in our division from our current squad of shiteLargeAddick said:Yes the squad has issues to be addressed but no way with the players available should we have lost five on the spin. I liked Dean as a person but I just don’t think he cuts it as a manager. Saturday was a clusterfuck from the time the team was selected, gawd knows what he was thinking of. I think the right decision has been made. I just hope there is a plan in place to get us out of this mess.0 - Sponsored links:
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Robinson the bookies favourite0
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Who is Jimmy Stone? why does he know more than others?Danny Addick said:
Hence why he threw everything at the win at 1-1.fenaddick said:2 -
wmcf123 said:
Jury out on May. Dobbo would get in most sides and CBT would get in most squads as an impact player .CAFCBourne said:
Apart from dobbo and may who else gets in promotion chasing teams in our division from our current squad of shiteLargeAddick said:Yes the squad has issues to be addressed but no way with the players available should we have lost five on the spin. I liked Dean as a person but I just don’t think he cuts it as a manager. Saturday was a clusterfuck from the time the team was selected, gawd knows what he was thinking of. I think the right decision has been made. I just hope there is a plan in place to get us out of this mess.
The two players who will link with May the best is Leaburn and Fraser. Alfie is innocent OK.0 -
Either a smart move by Methven and co to get him out now based on what they’ve seen and having no confidence, or, this coupled with rumours like the one that a sponsor had to pay for May, implies we’ve got another bunch of absolute twats running out club. At the moment, Methven and his group of investors have zero credit in the bank, so for me, it’s the latter and I’m incredibly suspicious now of just what a crap show might now be about to embark on the club.
Hope I’m proved wrong and they’ve got someone lined up to come in, and are going to be making at least 3/4 decent signings before the window finishes. Anything else and this season will be like the last 24 -
Anyone quoting bookies favourites is wasting their time. It’s such a small market I could go and stick £20 on Richard Rufus and he would instantly shoot to the top of the odds.13
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"April is the Cruellest Month" ?
Definitely August in the Wasteland of Charlton Athletic.1 -
Long term fan, former part of the commuications team, believe he was one of Rick's team when Rick was comms supremo. Subsequently worked at West Ham and possibly FL or other footballing authority.KingKinsella said:
Who is Jimmy Stone? why does he know more than others?Danny Addick said:
Hence why he threw everything at the win at 1-1.fenaddick said:3 -
Perhaps you ought to post this on the new manager thread😀DamoNorthStand said:Anyone quoting bookies favourites is wasting their time. It’s such a small market I could go and stick £20 on Richard Rufus and he would instantly shoot to the top of the odds.1 -
I'd get the manager of Lincoln City, and tell hime to bring his defence with him . They have half the wage bill we do and finished last season conceeding as few as the top 6 ( 19 less than us).
And I don't know who he is either.1 - Sponsored links:
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Me too.Sillybilly said:
Saved me writing what I think as you’ve nailed it.Exiled_Addick said:Recruitment has not been good enough. That is not on Holden and it didn’t make his job any easier.However, in my opinion, pre-season was a bit shambolic. Lots of players have started the season looking unfit and unready. Tactically we look a bit all over the place and the team is not well drilled or organized. None of the problems of last season have been fixed, or look close to being fixed and some of the things that were, supposedly, being specifically targeted for improvement have got no better at all. All those things, I think, can be laid at the door of Holden.I feel for him, though. He’s clearly a very decent, well intentioned chap, who I suspect has been well and truly stitched up but the new regime. However, from day one he seemed to be more about motivation and emotion, which can help get you to success, but without some substance in the form of tactics and player improvement it will ultimately fail when the novelty wears off. When I saw a video of the squad in Spain lying on a beach doing breathing exercises it gave me flash backs to Adkins and looked like the sort of thing that players will put up with when we’re winning but can quickly become something to be mocked and that lose you a dressing room when results turn. Sadly for Holden, we never really started winning.I’d have liked him to succeed but he’s never convinced me he was likely to.However, him being sacked raises all sorts of red flags about the new ownership/management of the club. He was “their man” after all and the backing they’ve given him is not even paper thin. What a shitty way to treat a person. And it puts us another step (on top of the inadequate recruitment) down the path to repeating all the same mistakes AGAIN.
I hope Holden finds something fulfilling away from the vipers nest of football. I think he deserves it and his good nature is probably better suited to a less poisonous industry.Personally, I feel on the verge of giving up on it as well. There’s precious little left to enjoy about Charlton these days and what’s the point of this if you can’t find any enjoyment in it anymore?
Excellent post @Exiled_Addick
I will just add that how anyone thinks changing managers every 7 or 8 months is a good idea is beyond me. The new guy, whoever he is, will inherit players he doesnt want and the mad merry-go-round of players we have had over recent years will just go on.
We are becoming - if not already - a laughing stock. Only one man for me to stabilise things - step forward Chris Powell. But then I also hope he doesn't as working for these jokers will only ruin his reputation I fear.4 -
On the plus side, we can bid for JCH now.
The no dick head policy has been scrapped!!😂16 -
One win and 4 losses by 1 goal in the League.
Small margins but in a results business and snatching a defeat from the jaws of victory against lowly Newport and the bar of soap which is the Charlton athletic managers job hits the ground again.
That's lifebuoy.4 -
Tune in for the next episode of Soap...Mendonca In Asdas said:So many questions going around in my head.
Why was Dean appointed in the first place?
Is Andy Scott going to be the new manager?
Is the mandate from above to play 1/2 team of kids in the first team squad every week going forward?if so, we’ve got a relegation battle on our hands.
Will we bring in a defensive coach who can deal with defending and attacking set pieces?
Will we bring in a conditioning coach, to stop our players running out of steam physically and mentally after 70 minutes?
Does Methven realise how despised Lee Johnson is by Charlton fans, and that by appointing him it would
really set the fans against him.
Will Chris Powell be in the directors box on Saturday?6 -
I know this sounds like hindsight, but watching the pre match Holden interview at the Kassam, seeing how he was dressed (differently) and getting a vibe from his demeanour, the chirpy moment when Holden said the rest of the season starts now, then seeing the team selection and watching the start of the game I genuinely felt there was something fishy going on, there was a surreal strangeness.Then I remember there was no usual pre match interview with Holden up on Charlton TV the day or two days before the match. First time that has happened. Strange.
I suspect stuff had been swilling around the club before yesterday evening probably starting straight after Port Vale. Indeed the U21 team selection last Monday was ‘different’.
Maybe somebody told Dean Holden ‘if we don’t win at Oxford, expect to be sacked by text message’ last week.5 -
no surprise, the issue of course IS IS IS .. who's next , Baba O'Riley ?0
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I'm quite conflated about this particular sacking. Normally I'm in the "give them time to get their own squad and style together" camp...and not down with the constant churn of personnel that clubs like Watford get a reputation for. (We're obviously well into that category by now)Stig said:I feel sorry for Holden. It's not been great, but he's not been supported. Getting shot of him at such ridiculously short notice looks like madness.
I feel sorry for the coaches. TBH, I don't think they were much cop. But it looks like they've been victims of the Peter Principle. I hope that they get new jobs soon and that we get better quality replacements.
Do you know who I feel most sorry for, though? Me* ...and you, and anyone else who supports Charlton Athletic. Unless they have a new manager lined up who already has new players lined up, we're going to be stuck with someone who'll face exactly the same problems that Holden did and they won't be able to do anything about it until the new year. What a joke this club is. I'm sick of it.
*Joke pinched form Johnny Vegas
But, as nice a bloke as Holden seems, I never really believed that he was going to be The One to break the cycle of doom and decline that surrounds our club. Much as I might have wanted to be proven wrong.
That being the case, and with time running out to sort out the obvious gaps in the squad, decide on our best 11/set up and shore up our powderpuff fragilities and confidence, I think he had to go. This next few days, and Holden's replacement, will tell us everything we need to know about the direction we're going in.
Could not agree more about it be us deserving of a break! I don't think it's unrealistic to expect a club of our history, size and potential to be at least competitive in the 3rd tier of football, yet we're staring down the barrel of another season of mediocrity...and that's being kind.4 -
Andy Scott has been showing us what he's got for awhile now. Todd, Penney, Kilkenney, Bonne and Hector. Jury still out on the latest crop, few of whom have been fit enough to do 90 minutes.Major said:Of course, we all see things differently but I don't get the, 'He hasn't been supported' view.
The players brought in should be improving the squad. May, Camara, Edun, etc. The kid brought in on loan looked pretty decent by all accounts.
None of us know what went on but I wonder if there was some kind of pissing contest between Holden and Scott, regarding player recruitment and selection?
Either way, after Saturday's debacle, Holden definitely lost the argument and to me, the decisive action is a positive for our club.
Shows me that the aim is success - and as much as a nice guy Holden seemed to be, the SMT didn't feel he would bring it where it really matters, so they didn't hang about doing something about it. I prefer that.
So, thanks, Dean and I wish you well and now, Andy -show us what you've got.9 -
Mark Kennedy. Ex- Millwall and Palace. Fair to say he'd have to hit the ground running.KingKinsella said:I'd get the manager of Lincoln City, and tell hime to bring his defence with him . They have half the wage bill we do and finished last season conceeding as few as the top 6 ( 19 less than us).
And I don't know who he is either.6
