Residents Parking Expansion for SE7 - UPDATE PAGE 3

didn’t someone say you can pay £5 to park in Asda or am I imagining  that ?

I knew this was coming, and I really wouldn't mind if football fans were taking up residents spaces or making it hard for residents to park but we aren't. Ive worked around Charlton and its one of the easiest places in London to work as there are lovely wide roads, hardly any vehicles the closer you get to the station and ground, can easily set up road works guarding and park work vans. Around other grounds I understand it too when they aren't well linked but people who live in Charlton could make a claim for not needing a car full stop, not like somewhere like Gillingham. 

Its already a pain in the arse with the trains being fucked more often than not

Covered End said:

swords_alive said:

Covered End said:

swords_alive said:

This is good if only because it challenges the few remaining dinosaurs, those who take for granted their car and think they have some god given right to use it, to consider other, better options. Once the issues are addressed and representations made, we should have less congested and polluting streets in this part of Greenwich at least.

So you want Charlton to go out of business then? Proper weird comment even by your anti car comments. 

Where have i said i want Charlton to go out of business? I have suggested the new scheme definition as proposed for consultation will make certain people re-think their journey, and said i think that's a good thing. 

We're losing @£8M pa and it would appear that the scheme could drastically cut our attendances, due to the dinosaur supporters (thanks for that insult) being unable to attend on a regular basis.

I would think that makes our club extremely vulnerable, you obviously don't.
Not everyone can get to The Valley in 15 minutes by train.

As a matter of interest how many Charlton fans do get on the train between Belvedere and Charlton? 

Possibly 100-200 on average, but hard to tell. I may be way out.

I would agree the club is vulnerable and firm representations need to be made on this, from the club and/or the Trust, which i'm sure will follow. That shouldn't detract from the fact that individuals may want to re-consider their travel choices, assuming they don't want to be hit with parking fines. 

I thought i was clear in my use of the term dinosaurs; not meant as a general insult but specifically to those clinging on to the notion that their comfort should come first and who haven't yet considered non-car options. There are a few remaining of that kind, as i stated (just my opinion but i think it's clear from some of the reactions and over-reactions here!), that are yet to be persuaded towards other travel options. They remind me of dinosaurs in that the world is changing around them but for whatever reason, they feel got at and not ready to adapt.

As an aside, not directly related to match parking issues, i find it interesting (and a bit alarming) that we have fans who don't know there's a station called North Greenwich quite nearby, well served by busses, and on the jubilee line, also that the Southeastern loop line still runs from Bexleyheath direct to Charlton, (2 trains an hour). I think awareness of these and other options, will improve if or when parking gets even harder- and no bad thing too. But we really need vastly improved public transport options, generally and especially for matchdays at Charlton, as pat of a plan for success and expansion of the fanbase back to what it was. 

pickwick said:

I suggest that everyone here send an email similar to this to: parking-design@royalgreenwich.gov.uk

Hi All

I have no idea what you are proposing it is not clear or easy to tell.  It seems that you are proposing to start a 8.30am to 9pm regime in Charlton every day of the week including Christmas Day too. Have you made this clear in the information you have sent to residents.  Can you send me a link to the consultation and documents you have sent to residents.

Charlton as a football club are not progressing so I have no idea why that would be necessary.

Look forward to getting links to the documents which actually show your proposals your current documents/web don't.

And copies of what the residents have been asked and whether it includes every bank holiday restrictions.

Regards

etc

Done 

Has anyone tried Just Park?

(It's an app. Not an instruction.)  Lol

Still no comment from the club?

AFKABartram said:

Interesting the Council has already changed tonight the wording of what was put on that link this afternoon. It was… 

And it’s now…

Match day parking control 

The Council is proposing to introduce match day parking restrictions and additional controls in the areas surrounding the Charlton Athletic football stadium.

The areas in which match day parking controls are proposed are the areas covered by both the Charlton ‘C’ and Charlton Station ‘CS’ Controlled Parking Zones (CPZs), for which a consultation was held earlier this year and are due to come into operation this December.

Provision for match day parking controls did not form part of the original consultation for the Charlton ‘C’ and Charlton Station ‘CS’ CPZs, but concerns were raised about the impact of match day parking during that consultation. In response to those concerns, we have sought to open a further consultation at the earliest opportunity, specific to a proposal to introduce match day parking controls.

Match Day parking restrictions are common, not only in areas surrounding many of London’s major sports stadiums, but also stadiums of a similar size throughout the country. Their purpose is to prioritise parking for local residents, businesses and their visitors on match days, which can otherwise be filled by visitors to the stadium. They also seek to reduce car use by encouraging supporters to use more sustainable modes of transport. 

What are we proposing?

We are proposing to extend parking restrictions from the current 6.30pm, until 9pm on each day there is a football match at the Charlton Athletic stadium (The Valley). The proposal also includes for match day parking controls to operate when matches are played on Sundays and Public Holidays, which would not be covered by the existing CPZ parking controls.

Not only do the proposed time periods cover all expected kick-off times, but they also consider minimising the visual impact of the road signs that will be necessary to convey information to drivers. For matches that continue beyond 9pm, supporters will have already arrived at the stadium prior to kick-off. Maintaining parking controls beyond 9pm is therefore considered unnecessary.

Proposed days and hours of operation also consider the potential impact of Charlton Athletic progressing into a higher division, where kick-off times are more likely to be more varied than at present. In doing so, we are seeking to futureproof the proposals also seek to avoid issues that may occur as a result of increased match attendances, should Charlton Athletic progress to the Championship or the Premier League. 

Alternative options for match day operations have been considered. But variations on days and hours of operation can result in much larger signs that can be overly complex and more difficult to understand. An example of the type of road sign that would be present if match day parking controls are introduced is proved below. This alongside an alternative option, in which the time periods are more varied. 

Please note 

Within the Charlton ‘C’ CPZ, parking bays in several roads are to remain free and unrestricted. Vehicles being parked in these bays will not require a parking permit. Match day parking controls will not apply to in parking bay that is marked with a sign that includes the blue P symbol and ‘Free’. The roads in which ‘Free’ parking bays are located are highlighted and marked as “Charlton ‘C’ CPZ Permit Exemption Area” in the overview map which can be viewed by clicking the link below.

However, on match days, the operational hours of any single yellow line, within any of the roads in the Permit Exemption Areas, will extend to 9pm, unless there is a yellow sign indicating alternative operational hours apply to a particular length of yellow line.

How to have your say? 

The consultation will close on Wednesday 8 November at 5pm. View the overview map below and let us know your thoughts by submitting any comments regarding the proposed scheme plans, these will be required in writing during this 21 day consultation to either:

email: parking-design@royalgreenwich.gov.uk or

Parking Design Team, The Woolwich Centre, 35 Wellington Street, Woolwich, SE18 6HQ

How can you have a consultation on a written proposal and reword the proposal halfway through?

It shows there was insufficient consideration of the original wording.
I would be embarrassed if I were them.
The whole thing is badly thought through and obviously badly worded.

I am still unsure from the wording as to whether it's the local residents AND businesses that are allowed visitors or just local businesses. If it's both, then how will that work in practice?

Im confused, so the councils answer to increasing local business is to stop people parking close to local businesses?

sam3110 said:

One solution in my eyes would be to link up with nearby car parks for a park and ride scheme. The car park at IKEA is half full at most at any one time, yhere's a multi storey one near the O2 that is rarely used, even on concert nights it doesn't fill up most of the time, and a couple in Woolwich town centre that have capacities far bigger than current needs (the Sainsbury's one for instance)

Combine that with the overflow parking that isn't ever used at Stone Lake Retail Park, you've got the beginnings of a network of places not too far from The Valley (some within walking distance) that could actually handle the capacity, and make more money too, be it through the club paying a lump sum or through subscriptions

Sorry but that sounds far to sensible.

For many fans of a certain age, who may also have ongoing medical conditions, this will probably mean the end of them attending matches. So not only will they miss the games, the club will be denied matchday revenue - tickets, refreshments, club shop etc. The transport system is unreliable; engineering works, strikes etc. Even when we had regular attendances of 27,000, although busy, the parking system worked....and that lasted for seven years. Lets be fair, this is all about revenue gathering form the Council- they couldn't give a toss about people's welfare.

Honestly the way they moan but I do put them right it has changed so much around here

Hartleypete said:

sam3110 said:

One solution in my eyes would be to link up with nearby car parks for a park and ride scheme. The car park at IKEA is half full at most at any one time, yhere's a multi storey one near the O2 that is rarely used, even on concert nights it doesn't fill up most of the time, and a couple in Woolwich town centre that have capacities far bigger than current needs (the Sainsbury's one for instance)

Combine that with the overflow parking that isn't ever used at Stone Lake Retail Park, you've got the beginnings of a network of places not too far from The Valley (some within walking distance) that could actually handle the capacity, and make more money too, be it through the club paying a lump sum or through subscriptions

Sorry but that sounds far too sensible.

But what will happen is the club, council or operator will see a pound note in this and invent a penal fee rather than just an effective solution. 

sam3110 said:

One solution in my eyes would be to link up with nearby car parks for a park and ride scheme. The car park at IKEA is half full at most at any one time, yhere's a multi storey one near the O2 that is rarely used, even on concert nights it doesn't fill up most of the time, and a couple in Woolwich town centre that have capacities far bigger than current needs (the Sainsbury's one for instance)

Combine that with the overflow parking that isn't ever used at Stone Lake Retail Park, you've got the beginnings of a network of places not too far from The Valley (some within walking distance) that could actually handle the capacity, and make more money too, be it through the club paying a lump sum or through subscriptions

I mentioned this as an option on our return to The Valley as the council were concerned about parking back then. Obviously it wasn't needed, now the park and ride could do with starting on the edge of the ULEZ zone as I'm convinced this is causing a decline on attendances too.

If the council can't be made to see sense, or a viable work around sorted, I can't see anyone investing in the club and we won't have one as a direct result.