I have this sad feeling Richard honestly believe he is helping, I'd even go as far as to suggest he instigated the 'statement'.
The reality is it isn't for you to come out and justify Richard. The reality is Roland should be interested enough to provide an update on his own plan, but as Katrien has highlighted on many occasions that she is one running the club day by day she for sure should have answered those questions, she may feel that the relationship between the fans and herself is dire and she would be right but then what does she have to lose? I would have begrudgingly gave her some respect if she came out and held her up's on certain areas.
Richard your not helping, your not reassuring us, your not earning respect - your highlighting how little we are thought of by the people making these decisions that you seem so insistent in justifying .
Question for Richard Murray when RD took over you stated that your told was to advise them and help understand running a English football club ... So surely you should have gave them a run down on what was needed in the championship ....... To say RD got it wrong should read RM failed to do his job again
I haven't read all the posts on here, so I might be repeating what another member has said, but I really have not learned anything new from that "statement", it's all been said before in one form or another. It's not in any way going to appease "the mob" as our troll in chief likes to call us - I prefer the term real supporters myself - but either way I don't think that has fooled anyone, including the media (well it may have fooled T-in-C).
Carols got it easy hasn't he... could get trounced 8-0 and he'd keep the job, his solution you ask!? Make the professional players work their socks off on the training ground while he fails to stumble upon a decent enough tactical plan to get us any wins.
As has RM, as I said very very early on in RD being at the helm of our club, it's all about 'yes' men so to speak and getting rid of those who speak against it or don't fully agree, from the top to the bototm. RM 'bought into' RD's plan from the off, or at least pretended to and is happy to go along for the ride. He's happy to take the flack and speak for RD at meetings or interviews when is needed.
As said before it does read like part of a press pack for an upcoming film:
Q. What was it like to star alongside Katrien Meire?
RM: Wonderful, It’s the first time we’ve worked together. She is such a joy to be around with on set, so unlike the manipulative harridan she portrays on screen.
Richard is starring in a Crock of Shite premiering at the Valley Playhouse, Charlton
From the looks of it, the club never announced it beforehand, it was actually the SLP that said a "statement" was coming out. There might indeed be an actual statement forthcoming, but if there isnt it wasnt the club that said there was one....
RM gets confused about "strategy" and goals and policies. Staying in the Championship is an objective, not a strategy (except if it's a strategy for RD to make money).
You cannot execute a strategy unless you have policies or principles (like a proper CEO and coach). This is the crux of the problem and why Murray's interview is so disappointing. Policies are the guiding principles that top management adopt to ensure the strategies can work.
There is nothing wrong with the strategies, and they can change as circumstances change, like injuries.
The elephant in the room that Murray alludes to by reference to mistakes, is the failure of policy. Policies are determined by management and influenced by key stakeholders like fans. RD and KM have the arrogance to believe they are equipped to make policy in a vacuum about a business they have no knowledge of.
The mistakes are down to policy decisions, not injuries or bad luck. Poor policy making is down to management - period.
The only acceptable statement from the club is acknowledgment of the absolute failure of management to adopt the right policies. If the policies were spelt out in Black & White, there might be the opportunity to have a dialogue and an exchange of views with key stakeholders like fans.
Strategies and excuses will not get us out of this hole either now or any time in the future with the current owners and management.
I'm afraid Mr Murray you are avoiding the elephant(s) in the room and feeding us bullshit.
“But you also can’t get away from the fact that families want to see a winning team as much as anyone else.
“So we need those new players to perform, players to come back from injury and, as I know from being in football for 25 years, you need a little bit of good fortune"
Put the pressure on the players that aren't good enough at this level, or injury ridden (that this ownership recruited) and then pull out the good fortune card. They aren't accepting they are at fault. Pathetic attempt the more I read of it..
From the looks of it, the club never announced it beforehand, it was actually the SLP that said a "statement" was coming out. There might indeed be an actual statement forthcoming, but if there isnt it wasnt the club that said there was one....
Annoying.
Suspect the club leaked it though. And now they have headed back to the bunker to resume complete silence.
From the looks of it, the club never announced it beforehand, it was actually the SLP that said a "statement" was coming out. There might indeed be an actual statement forthcoming, but if there isnt it wasnt the club that said there was one....
Annoying.
So in that instance the club can't be blamed on this occasion.
From the looks of it, the club never announced it beforehand, it was actually the SLP that said a "statement" was coming out. There might indeed be an actual statement forthcoming, but if there isnt it wasnt the club that said there was one....
Annoying.
Suspect the club leaked it though. And now they have headed back to the bunker to resume complete silence.
Any chance we could have Carol singers...the new KM initiative. Every week the sofa is regaled by a 20 person local choir singing 'deck the halls with bows of holly' and 'good King Wenceslas came back...'
Unfortunately drowned out by the Covered End with alternative versions of the words.
We should all be very proud of the work that the community trust does a small part of which (the Upbeats) had been actively supported by Charlton Life and other fans from the early days. And in the interest of fairness by the CEO when she took part in the 8 mile walk.
However the Community Trust is not the football club. They are separate organisation. There isn't any current CAFC board member or Senior manager on the CACT board to my knowledge.
The two organisations do cooperate and the work of the community trust is branded to Charlton. The Trust will also benefit from the development of Sparrows Lane although maybe not as much as first planned.
But the football club doesn't deliver all the community activity.
You have to be shocked at their lack of understanding of the situation, they think a few sound bites of the same old bilge and everything will just settle down.
This isn't RD I doubt he really comprehends what is happening, well hopefully he is there on Saturday and he can be educated about the level of unrest.
Though they won't spell it out, the evidence for this being the primary aim is there for us all to see. The kinds of fans that they are trying to attract; day tripping families, tourists and lapsed Tottenham cabbies, the exact type who won't really mind whether the team win or not or whether they actually have any ambition or not.
That's a major issue. It seems that they are willfully dismantling the supporter base, as they'd prefer a more "consumer" minded audience. Take a seat and be entertained (not necessarily the football either!). They seem to think they'll be enough of these transient audiences to sustain the club. It's clear that the only club stakeholders, in their mind, are the three directors.
Even Murray's stated 'strategy' (of course a rehash of Meire's own misnamed 'strategy') is back to front. 'We want to be a competitive Championship club with Premier League ambitions, managed in a financially sustainable way' would be perfectly palatable. The principal aim can't be financial stability.
The problem for them is, that's still not a strategy, that's a goal (And your goal is better than their stated goal dressed as strategy for the reasons you suggest). But the strategy is how we get there. They either don't understand that, or are very reluctant to mention it (as you say), because they understand the backlash. I would have thought that's the case, but with this lot, maybe they are as stupid as they seem!
So to put it concisely, what the 'interview' tells me is: 1. That KM is hiding/sulking as she is afraid that someone might ask her a meaningful question that she has to justify 2. That they are trying to pretend that like naughty children we can be ignored or placated with empty platitudes 3. They realise that they have made mistakes with player recruitment but haven't learnt a thing from them 4. That they don't understand that financial stability is commendable but not if you lose sight of what a football club is about: being competitive on the pitch 5. That competitive football being played at the Valley is not important in their vision but a sideshow 6. They will cut the playing and non-playing staff to a skeleton to achieve the madman's vision of financial stability Oh, but we should all be happy with it! I feel deeply saddened for so many reasons but fuelled by their arrogance to protest and fight on. This is OUR club and life.
Question for Richard Murray when RD took over you stated that your told was to advise them and help understand running a English football club ... So surely you should have gave them a run down on what was needed in the championship ....... To say RD got it wrong should read RM failed to do his job again
Has somebody hacked into your account Colin. You have actually said something sensible!
I think the SLP have riled us all up here. Using the word statement in place of Q&A.
As I understand it, it was a Q&A.
Questions by who ? KM to RM? seems like it, Not really Q&A if its scripted from inside the club, which it obviously is
Exactly - if it was a real interview with the press then the interviewer would surely have taken him to task over the ridiculous statement that this transfer window is the first opportunity to put things right!
Q: Shouldn’t all clubs aspire to be in the Premier League?
RM: “They should, but they also shouldn’t gamble with their future. If you look around the Championship just now there are clubs in danger of administration, several with triple figure debts, others falling foul of the Financial Fair Play regulations and subject to transfer embargoes.
What over £100? Stone me they really are gambling it all aren't they. I bet they pay for a real manager, too.
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The reality is it isn't for you to come out and justify Richard. The reality is Roland should be interested enough to provide an update on his own plan, but as Katrien has highlighted on many occasions that she is one running the club day by day she for sure should have answered those questions, she may feel that the relationship between the fans and herself is dire and she would be right but then what does she have to lose? I would have begrudgingly gave her some respect if she came out and held her up's on certain areas.
Richard your not helping, your not reassuring us, your not earning respect - your highlighting how little we are thought of by the people making these decisions that you seem so insistent in justifying .
We'd also like to let you know that the ticket office will now also be closed on Mondays, Tuesdays and Saturday mornings.
As has RM, as I said very very early on in RD being at the helm of our club, it's all about 'yes' men so to speak and getting rid of those who speak against it or don't fully agree, from the top to the bototm. RM 'bought into' RD's plan from the off, or at least pretended to and is happy to go along for the ride. He's happy to take the flack and speak for RD at meetings or interviews when is needed.
Q. What was it like to star alongside Katrien Meire?
RM: Wonderful, It’s the first time we’ve worked together. She is such a joy to be around with on set, so unlike the manipulative harridan she portrays on screen.
Richard is starring in a Crock of Shite premiering at the Valley Playhouse, Charlton
Annoying.
You cannot execute a strategy unless you have policies or principles (like a proper CEO and coach). This is the crux of the problem and why Murray's interview is so disappointing. Policies are the guiding principles that top management adopt to ensure the strategies can work.
There is nothing wrong with the strategies, and they can change as circumstances change, like injuries.
The elephant in the room that Murray alludes to by reference to mistakes, is the failure of policy. Policies are determined by management and influenced by key stakeholders like fans. RD and KM have the arrogance to believe they are equipped to make policy in a vacuum about a business they have no knowledge of.
The mistakes are down to policy decisions, not injuries or bad luck. Poor policy making is down to management - period.
The only acceptable statement from the club is acknowledgment of the absolute failure of management to adopt the right policies. If the policies were spelt out in Black & White, there might be the opportunity to have a dialogue and an exchange of views with key stakeholders like fans.
Strategies and excuses will not get us out of this hole either now or any time in the future with the current owners and management.
I'm afraid Mr Murray you are avoiding the elephant(s) in the room and feeding us bullshit.
“So we need those new players to perform, players to come back from injury and, as I know from being in football for 25 years, you need a little bit of good fortune"
Put the pressure on the players that aren't good enough at this level, or injury ridden (that this ownership recruited) and then pull out the good fortune card. They aren't accepting they are at fault. Pathetic attempt the more I read of it..
Then they spell it out.
Thing is, they come across as dyslexic.
Unfortunately drowned out by the Covered End with alternative versions of the words.
Suggestions welcome.
However the Community Trust is not the football club. They are separate organisation. There isn't any current CAFC board member or Senior manager on the CACT board to my knowledge.
The two organisations do cooperate and the work of the community trust is branded to Charlton. The Trust will also benefit from the development of Sparrows Lane although maybe not as much as first planned.
But the football club doesn't deliver all the community activity.
And I thought the pantomime season was over !
So, at the moment we're stuck with Baron Hardup (RM), Abanazar ( RD), Dopey (KF) and The Evil Queen (guess who!)
Not a lot of laughs from this motley bunch of comedians but potential for plenty of slapstick.
And plenty of loud & proud "audience" participation .....
" Behind you!"
" Oh no we're not !"
This isn't RD I doubt he really comprehends what is happening, well hopefully he is there on Saturday and he can be educated about the level of unrest.
We never seem to get tired of underwhelming do we? No wonder the media wont normally touch us!
Bland rubbish from RM and we are still stuck with this Belgian tripe fest.
Get the feckers out. It is war!
1. That KM is hiding/sulking as she is afraid that someone might ask her a meaningful question that she has to justify
2. That they are trying to pretend that like naughty children we can be ignored or placated with empty platitudes
3. They realise that they have made mistakes with player recruitment but haven't learnt a thing from them
4. That they don't understand that financial stability is commendable but not if you lose sight of what a football club is about: being competitive on the pitch
5. That competitive football being played at the Valley is not important in their vision but a sideshow
6. They will cut the playing and non-playing staff to a skeleton to achieve the madman's vision of financial stability
Oh, but we should all be happy with it! I feel deeply saddened for so many reasons but fuelled by their arrogance to protest and fight on.
This is OUR club and life.
fanscustomers, so they talk loud and say nothing.Another staged managed episode with RM undoubtedly knowing the questions in advance.
He's clearly joined KM's ranks of treating us like idiots.
Too late to throw the shovel away now Richard.
Get on your bike, and take the other two stooges with you.
RM: “They should, but they also shouldn’t gamble with their future. If you look around the Championship just now there are clubs in danger of administration, several with triple figure debts, others falling foul of the Financial Fair Play regulations and subject to transfer embargoes.
What over £100? Stone me they really are gambling it all aren't they.
I bet they pay for a real manager, too.