Can’t believe this is the same manager who produced a performance against Sunderland away and we looked well set for a cracking “Do or Die” season. What the f@&k has gone wrong?
It was the "elation" of having one of our own manage the team after the shambolic Adkins era. Honeymoons generally don't last too long. We are closer to a divorce than we are to celebrating JJ's first anniversary as manager. I wouldn't be surprised if TS makes a change before the end of March if performances remain at this level.
JJ is a great guy but I really don't see anything that tells me he will take this club "all the way" to the promised land. And with all your forwards out injured playing against the most attacking team in the division he could have put eleven behind the ball and got a point. Instead, and inexplicably he ignored this obvious threat.
Even with stockley and Aneke fit I still don't see us ever looking as dangerous as Oxford. And down here in the third division you really have to be banging them in. Macgillivray is looking very average in recent weeks also. What I'd give for a Dean Kiely at the back and Super Clive and Andy Hunt up top....
I don’t know if Jacko is the answer but I think things could get much worse for Sandgaard very quickly if he doesn’t let that play out sufficiently.
“I don't think Johnnie Jackson is the one who should be looking at himself."
"I think a lot of other things might need to change to make this a good club"
"[Jackson] has the nouse and the understanding. Now he maybe needs to be given the a bit more the reins to do what he needs to do. Maybe that may change."
Obviously he’s going to defend his mate after a loss like that, but it certainly adds fuel to the fire when discussing how much TS (and Martin Sandgaard) are overly involved in things they fundamentally don’t understand.
How would he know anything other than what Jackson feeds him though. Sadly don't think we'll ever know the true extent of what goes on behind the scenes
Things nearly always leak, it was common knowledge in the football world that we were under a transfer embargo under the criminal scum but when did it hit the press ?
The reason why Charlton never kicked on from marginally missing out from the playoffs last season is simple.
Our two best midfielders Shinnie & Pratley were discriminated against for their age by a man arguably too old to be a rockstar.
I don't know about older players being discriminated against but the club did say just before the season started that the transfer policy was going to be about youth & especially our youth.....so much so Elewere played most of the pre-season games & was being tee'd up to start League games, as well as bringing in Roddy's son to play left back.
Missed the first goal and saw as inept performance as I've seen all season, and we all know it's been pretty crap at times. What infuriates me, is watching our players collect the ball on the edge of the opponents box, pass back to midfield and back to the keeper, and their forward pressuring our keeper which results in a goal. And another goal from a long punt that was easily picked up by their runner whilst our defence look pedestrian. It reminded me of the fairground game, 'Grand National' where your horse appears to be running fine but then another horse just steams past and you watch on helplessly as they win the race. Well our players were out run time and time again this afternoon. Either the Oxford players were infinitely fitter that ours, or they just worked so much harder.
The passing was woeful. Our play out from the back was epitomised by a ball from Mcgillvray out to Clare who was forced to back track to the byline and only by sheer luck the attacker got the slightest of touches to give a goal kick.
There seems to be no idea of how to play through or around the opposing team, but somehow they do it with ease.
A lovely Dobson move where he broke up play and turned a few men and played a midfield splitting ball to Lee where he miscontrolled and lost possession showed me all I needed to know. We don't have it in our locker, right now. This squad has more passengers than a Boeing 747.
The best moment of the match, was when the ball boy kicked the ball from touch, strait at the Oxford player, sat down feigning injury, which incidentally probably raised the biggest cheer of the afternoon.
I feel sorry for Campbell coming on for his league debut at 0-4. Come on Jacko, what the fuck does that achieve in enhancing a young players confidence, only to trudge off 3 minutes later to a chorus of boos from 3 sides of the ground, for which he had no responsibility. His cameo incidentally showed that he has talent and skill, so why not bin off the shot shy excuse of a player in Lee, and play him for a match. If he's fit enough to play 90 minutes in a youth game, he'll be used to running around a damn sight more than most of those out there today.
My father-in-law rang me about 1pm to ask how the game was going to go. I said I'd give Oxford 2 goals at least over us, and that a third straight defeat was absolutely nailed on.
We all campaigned against Roland #WewantourCharltonback, I've even got my hoodie hanging up in front of me. Is this the Charlton we wanted back? FFS we haven't even really got rid of Roland (owning the thing we care about most - The Valley), but we have a club to support and have to hope that Sandgaard can eventually work out how to run our club, successfully, on and off the pitch.
The reason why Charlton never kicked on from marginally missing out from the playoffs last season is simple.
Our two best midfielders Shinnie & Pratley were discriminated against for their age by a man arguably too old to be a rockstar.
In fairness, given the number of Zimmer frames involved in the 70’s revival tours these days, age is probably the only qualifying trait he possesses. If addicks to victory is anything to go by he lacks the talent, direction and content. That said, those failings are not dissimilar to his team’s performance today
Watched with my dad at his house. Got in my car to drive home to hear “rip it up and start again” playing on the radio. Couldn’t be more appropriate.
On recruitment I know some have said keep the likes of Matthews, Inniss etc as cheap back up as it’ll be easier I think we could do with a complete rebuild. Without it we’ll likely see us continue to fail wither the same core group of players. I’d rather gamble that we can change the mentality than keep failing with the same group who will get worse the longer they’re kept on.
I’ve defended players like Gilbey but it’s laughable that some said he was a top player at this level.
Only positive was Campbell’s debut and even then he should have been earlier.
I put £10 on Oxford to win and it was paid out after 3-0. I’ll do the same for at least the next few games, it’s free money.
Where do we go from here? Missing three senior strikers makes a huge difference but regardless that performance is so far from where we need to be.
I don’t have confidence in Sandgaard, Gallen, Jackson etc to get it right in the summer. We can call for a CEO to come in but that only works with the right appointment, what makes anyone think TS would get that right?
I haven't (quite) given up on Jackson but he needs to get his best dark suit out of the wardrobe and wear it with a well-knotted a club tie on match days and look like thunder. He's no longer one of the lads and he needs to be brutal with this lot of spineless cowards and give them a bloody good bollocking. Only Dobson, Burstow and Famewo deserve to be considered for Tuesday.
I understand the anger on here but there were there also some really inexplicable factors too:
Oxford are a free-flow footballing side and we had no proven strikers so we needed to improvise and adapt to frustrate their game so we tried to play like Real Madrid under-11s and ran out of steam after 15 minutes.
What in God's name was Gilbey supposed to be doing and why did Jackson keep him on? - was he man-marking their play maker because if he was, he failed miserably - and that effeminate, Bolshoi ballet-style leap to allow their fourth goal will be etched on my consciousness like a greasy stain for a very long time.
Mathews was one of our best players only a season or two ago but that was really, really bad- how many times will he let a winger cut inside him onto their stronger foot and shoot?
Someone else used the phrase 'powder-puff' and that's exactly what we are - even our fouls are silly little trips not crunching body to body tackles- bossed, bullied and bashed up by Oxford United.
Jackson has managed to fashion a team which is the complete opposite of him as a player.
It gives me no pleasure to say it but it my opinion the football side was better under Roland's rule, particularly after he got bored and left Bowyer and Gallen to get on with it.
We all knew we were up against today .. but the first 20 mins was excellent and done great football , Oxford did not get out their half .. but when they did for their first attack they got a massive bit of luck the ball fell very kindly and 0–1 it was very harsh on us … Again we made errors leading up to the second , Matthews missed his tackle and the cross was completely missed by Purrington allowing Taylor a simple header …… Again start of the second we had a few chances but .. again poor poor play from Leko who lost the ball to easy and did not get it back .. led to a fantastic goal …. And the 4th well you don’t stop them .
Positive Campbell looked lively and McG made 4 excellent saves .. one unbelievable
JJ team selection was puzzling .. Purrington playing in the 3 when we had 3 centre backs on the bench … and the ref lost control of the game .. there was a lot of silly yellows and the sending off well the ref missed Taylor who caused the melee because he was pretending to be injured .. the two worst tackles in the match on Morgan went unpunished
Each of the first three goals could of been avoided if challenges were made at 100% rather than 50%. This lot don’t give a shit, in fact I’d go as far as to say maybe Clare showing naivety and frustration proves he’s about one of the only ones who does.
Probably the only thing Gilbey did right all game, was to go up to the ref and tell him to calm down when the latter wanted to have a word with the ball boy, after he kicked the ball at the Oxford player feigning injury.
Didnt realise though he was captain yesterday, so wouldnt have been right had he not done something.
How is it possible that Mac didn’t lay a finger on any of those goalbound shots even they were coming from a long way out (3 and 4). Very poor keeper, we need to get rid.
I haven't (quite) given up on Jackson but he needs to get his best dark suit out of the wardrobe and wear it with a well-knotted a club tie on match days and look like thunder. He's no longer one of the lads and he needs to be brutal with this lot of spineless cowards and give them a bloody good bollocking. Only Dobson, Burstow and Famewo deserve to be considered for Tuesday.
I understand the anger on here but there were there also some really inexplicable factors too:
Oxford are a free-flow footballing side and we had no proven strikers so we needed to improvise and adapt to frustrate their game so we tried to play like Real Madrid under-11s and ran out of steam after 15 minutes.
What in God's name was Gilbey supposed to be doing and why did Jackson keep him on? - was he man-marking their play maker because if he was, he failed miserably - and that effeminate, Bolshoi ballet-style leap to allow their fourth goal will be etched on my consciousness like a greasy stain for a very long time.
Mathews was one of our best players only a season or two ago but that was really, really bad- how many times will he let a winger cut inside him onto their stronger foot and shoot?
Someone else used the phrase 'powder-puff' and that's exactly what we are - even our fouls are silly little trips not crunching body to body tackles- bossed, bullied and bashed up by Oxford United.
Jackson has managed to fashion a team which is the complete opposite of him as a player.
It gives me no pleasure to say it but it my opinion the football side was better under Roland's rule, particularly after he got bored and left Bowyer and Gallen to get on with it.
We needed to park the bus, assuming our players have past the driving test.
I think I've figured out what my problem is with Jackson's methods at the moment, and it's that he keeps getting away with short-term tweaks and then thinking that they're they'll work forever. The first time we set up in the 3-5-2 it was a surprise, the players even warmed up in a defensive 4 to throw the opposition off. Then it became clear Matthews was playing RCB and pulling across to RB and Leko was playing high up. It bamboozled the opposition and we won. Then it worked for a while longer until it got figured out and now we're struggling because the out of position players are getting shown up long-term. Sticking Clare in a CB was a good choice while we were short of players and he's done well, but now we've got actual specialists back he should drop out. Same with playing a winger at wing-back, it works as a surprise or for a couple of games but it's not a long-term solution. He doesn't seem to be able to see that though and it's starting to hurt us badly as players who just don't suit those roles are being targeted and punished. It worries me that nothing seems to be changing, only getting more dug in. We'll get results here and there playing like this but we'll never develop consistency
Clare at RCB in a three works because you want your Center backs to be able to distribute and get forward like Sheff Utd.
With a back three of Lavelle, Innis and Pearce you are back to launching it again.
We might also be back to not conceding goals if we play 3 actual CB's. We need to do the basics before we worry about being the next Sheff Utd.
9 points from relegation 16 from playoffs laughable season really - back In September I stated that we had a awful transfer window and was laughed at The 1.6 million got for burstow should be spent on players that want to play for the shirt.
drop mac for next game
also our discipline is woeful it’s not always the referees.
I hope Jacko is given the summer to rebuild we likely need another 10 points to be certain on league 1 football next year - very depressing.
I do get it’s hard to motivate players that have nothing to play for.
I think I've figured out what my problem is with Jackson's methods at the moment, and it's that he keeps getting away with short-term tweaks and then thinking that they're they'll work forever. The first time we set up in the 3-5-2 it was a surprise, the players even warmed up in a defensive 4 to throw the opposition off. Then it became clear Matthews was playing RCB and pulling across to RB and Leko was playing high up. It bamboozled the opposition and we won. Then it worked for a while longer until it got figured out and now we're struggling because the out of position players are getting shown up long-term. Sticking Clare in a CB was a good choice while we were short of players and he's done well, but now we've got actual specialists back he should drop out. Same with playing a winger at wing-back, it works as a surprise or for a couple of games but it's not a long-term solution. He doesn't seem to be able to see that though and it's starting to hurt us badly as players who just don't suit those roles are being targeted and punished. It worries me that nothing seems to be changing, only getting more dug in. We'll get results here and there playing like this but we'll never develop consistency
Clare at RCB in a three works because you want your Center backs to be able to distribute and get forward like Sheff Utd.
With a back three of Lavelle, Innis and Pearce you are back to launching it again.
We might also be back to not conceding goals if we play 3 actual CB's. We need to do the basics before we worry about being the next Sheff Utd.
It’s not like Purrington is like Laporte on the ball either
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The passing was woeful. Our play out from the back was epitomised by a ball from Mcgillvray out to Clare who was forced to back track to the byline and only by sheer luck the attacker got the slightest of touches to give a goal kick.
There seems to be no idea of how to play through or around the opposing team, but somehow they do it with ease.
A lovely Dobson move where he broke up play and turned a few men and played a midfield splitting ball to Lee where he miscontrolled and lost possession showed me all I needed to know. We don't have it in our locker, right now. This squad has more passengers than a Boeing 747.
The best moment of the match, was when the ball boy kicked the ball from touch, strait at the Oxford player, sat down feigning injury, which incidentally probably raised the biggest cheer of the afternoon.
I feel sorry for Campbell coming on for his league debut at 0-4. Come on Jacko, what the fuck does that achieve in enhancing a young players confidence, only to trudge off 3 minutes later to a chorus of boos from 3 sides of the ground, for which he had no responsibility. His cameo incidentally showed that he has talent and skill, so why not bin off the shot shy excuse of a player in Lee, and play him for a match. If he's fit enough to play 90 minutes in a youth game, he'll be used to running around a damn sight more than most of those out there today.
My father-in-law rang me about 1pm to ask how the game was going to go. I said I'd give Oxford 2 goals at least over us, and that a third straight defeat was absolutely nailed on.
We all campaigned against Roland #WewantourCharltonback, I've even got my hoodie hanging up in front of me. Is this the Charlton we wanted back? FFS we haven't even really got rid of Roland (owning the thing we care about most - The Valley), but we have a club to support and have to hope that Sandgaard can eventually work out how to run our club, successfully, on and off the pitch.
That said, those failings are not dissimilar to his team’s performance today
I haven't (quite) given up on Jackson but he needs to get his best dark suit out of the wardrobe and wear it with a well-knotted a club tie on match days and look like thunder. He's no longer one of the lads and he needs to be brutal with this lot of spineless cowards and give them a bloody good bollocking. Only Dobson, Burstow and Famewo deserve to be considered for Tuesday.
I understand the anger on here but there were there also some really inexplicable factors too:
It gives me no pleasure to say it but it my opinion the football side was better under Roland's rule, particularly after he got bored and left Bowyer and Gallen to get on with it.
We can blame injuries all we want but yesterday after a bright start we just appeared to give up.
Didnt realise though he was captain yesterday, so wouldnt have been right had he not done something.
Craig at fault for at least two of those goals, maybe even 3 if you count his pass poor kick which led to their 3rd.
16 from playoffs
laughable season really - back In September I stated that we had a awful transfer window and was laughed at
The 1.6 million got for burstow should be spent on players that want to play for the shirt.
drop mac for next game
also our discipline is woeful it’s not always the referees.