Personally I would have got rid of him before Reading but if we don't win one of our next two games we will probably be bottom and that will force RD to make a change.
I wouldn't have any problems if he was sacked today. I wouldn't be surprised if they at least gave him the Preston game but any less than a win in that and he's gone for me.
I'm a bit confused. We've got a bunch of fans in this thread bemoaning the lunacy of our managerial merry-go-round, and just as many saying Luzon should be sacked. Which is it?
I'm a bit confused. We've got a bunch of fans in this thread bemoaning the lunacy of our managerial merry-go-round, and just as many saying Luzon should be sacked. Which is it?
I'm a bit confused. We've got a bunch of fans in this thread bemoaning the lunacy of our managerial merry-go-round, and just as many saying Luzon should be sacked. Which is it?
They are different people Jimmy, with individual opinions.
I'm a bit confused. We've got a bunch of fans in this thread bemoaning the lunacy of our managerial merry-go-round, and just as many saying Luzon should be sacked. Which is it?
They are different people Jimmy, with individual opinions.
Big two games coming up for Guy. I personally don't think he's in any trouble because I believe he's an RD man. He's certainly not getting the support he deserves so unless RD is a complete psycho I think he's fine. I do wonder what GL is thinking though.
RD has sacked him before and I'm sure he will again in the future.
When did he sack him?
Removed him from the job at Standard but kept him on the payroll until another role in the network came up.
I'm a bit confused. We've got a bunch of fans in this thread bemoaning the lunacy of our managerial merry-go-round, and just as many saying Luzon should be sacked. Which is it?
They are different people Jimmy, with individual opinions.
Exactly
My point is, those who claim Roland has screwed up the club are not only at odds with the owner, but with their own fans. Very, very few on here seem keen to stand by and voraciously support the manager. I remember @charltonnick saying a similar thing, what happened to us? We used to offer overwhelming support. Blaming Roland for being indifferent is an excuse IMO.
The squad is paper thin and we have had a lot of injuries. Is that Luzons fault ? Of course it isn't.
There is either no will by RD to give Charltons head coach the tools to do the job or RD still hasn't got a clue of what is required to compete in the Championship. Either way I don't blame Guy.
If the trigger does get pulled then for me at least it might be the turning point in giving up on the lunacy that is football.
Personally, I'm not expecting Luzon to get the bullet, as he is doing exactly what RD has requested.
I should imagine RD is quite happy with Luzon.
It's not Luzon's fault, that he's being asked to do a job, with an insufficient squad to compete.
He does have a better squad than Powell had. Powell only had Church up front at one point.
Luzon will likely, only be in danger, when the fans turn on him, as they did at Liege.
RD sacked Luzon at Liege, because of the fans demonstrations, not because HE personally wanted to sack him.
I don't think Luzon is doing much wrong. I doubt that there are many coaches, that could get a threadbare squad, racked by injuries, to achieve better results.
Big two games coming up for Guy. I personally don't think he's in any trouble because I believe he's an RD man. He's certainly not getting the support he deserves so unless RD is a complete psycho I think he's fine. I do wonder what GL is thinking though.
RD has sacked him before and I'm sure he will again in the future.
When did he sack him?
Removed him from the job at Standard but kept him on the payroll until another role in the network came up.
Sorry, RD has "removed him from his job" before and I'm sure he will again in the future.
The owner is not going to blame himself. 2 defeats this week and Luzon will be gone I reckon.
If he does get the elbow ,which is highly likely,then when do we as a group of supporters say enough is enough?
The whole thing is a farce. And a very predictable one at that.
What exactly would that entail though?
Watford 5-0 was good, showed we had some 'spunk' as fans and that we don't like the s*** that is going on.
A few songs and two banners. Scary stuff. The owner must have been quaking in his boots.
This has been done to death. RD will not bat an eyelid at supporter protest. Liege wrecked the ground and constantly protested (look what good RDs removal has done them) and he still went on his terms when the right price was forthcoming.
Not Luzons fault, we all know injuries thin squad has hit home. Only person that can take blame is RD and his so called experiment - probable meaning - he won't be spending any money. when once interviewed RD alongside Richard Murray, whereby Murray stating we could keep young talent and not have to sell whilst RD sat there probably thinking, that's what you think Mr Murray! Those players moved on could have been pivotal part to the clubs rebuild, ''If'' the club were able to persuade them to stay. So unless RD is somehow convinced to change his stance on club spending we are flogging a dead horse. Anyway - Here is a premature farewell - Nice knowing you Guy and Thank you!
Don't understand those who say that Luzon cannot be at fault because of our injury situation.
Every club in the league has injuries, that's just the nature of the game. It was Luzon's decision to put an 18 year old up front on his own yesterday with zero support whatsoever. Anyone at the game will be able to say that we were playing for a 0-0 at the very best from the first minute onwards. Put JBG up front if you have to! Just do anything that gives us some threat!
Yesterday wasn't just a matter of us being bad due to a poor squad - but the selection and tactics were absolutely shocking.
Don't understand those who say that Luzon cannot be at fault because of our injury situation.
Every club in the league has injuries, that's just the nature of the game. It was Luzon's decision to put an 18 year old up front on his own yesterday with zero support whatsoever. Anyone at the game will be able to say that we were playing for a 0-0 at the very best from the first minute onwards. Put JBG up front if you have to! Just do anything that gives us some threat!
Yesterday wasn't just a matter of us being bad due to a poor squad - but the selection and tactics were absolutely shocking.
What should the team have been? We didn't have many options on the bench. Fox and Watt may have been left out the starting 11 because they weren't fully fit.
Luzon will likely, only be in danger, when the fans turn on him, as they did at Liege.
RD sacked Luzon at Liege, because of the fans demonstrations, not because HE personally wanted to sack him.
Can't believe RD would do something because of fans demonstrating?
I presume you didn't see the videos of them breaking into his office and confronting him & also coming off the terraces and running along the touchline ?
Injuries are a major problem for us (we certainly missed Mak) but thats no excuse, Luzon's management is to question when he starts with a 18 year old player up top on his own yesterday who has not proved himself at this level. Cousins has played in 3 different positions so far and the team has changed every game so their is no consistency.
I did not approve Luzon's appointment anyway and I am certainly doubting him. We must put in a performance on Tuesday and get 3 points, if we don't Luzon needs to go!
Big two games coming up for Guy. I personally don't think he's in any trouble because I believe he's an RD man. He's certainly not getting the support he deserves so unless RD is a complete psycho I think he's fine. I do wonder what GL is thinking though.
I agree with you but he did sack him at Liège. Well, when I say sacked, moved him.
For Luzon to be sacked we have to be playing poorly with a fully fit squad as his disposal...
At the moment he doesnt have a full squad so is having to rely on inexperience and youth (Yes RD / KM should have strengthened blah blah blah but they didnt)... If he cant win matches with a complete side then I'd agree that he maybe has to go.
At the moment if we got rid of Luzon, we'd get the new man in charge just as were getting players back, so naturally performances would improve and the new man would be declared a genius and the man to take us up again.
People should always look beyond the results when sacking a Manager, yes its a results business (as MoTD / Sky would brainwash you into believing as they have to talk to fill timeslots) but I always look beyond the results, why did the team lose... Was it just bad luck, were players missing through injury / suspension, aint always so straight cut and those sort of reasons cant be blamed on the Manager
We should have stuck with Riga.
Riga and Jackson: The dream team.
I will continue to give 100% support to Guy Luzon because with the injuries he had so little choice with the selection of the team.
But it would have been nice if he had a pair of bollocks and stood up to RD. That said we don't, of course, have any idea of what dialogue they have, its just that the puppet thing sticks.
I'm a bit confused. We've got a bunch of fans in this thread bemoaning the lunacy of our managerial merry-go-round, and just as many saying Luzon should be sacked. Which is it?
I would call for him to be sacked if I had any confidence that the new man would be non network, come in and stand up and respect traditions but I don't, so might as well stick with the nobody we've got.
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Removed him from the job at Standard but kept him on the payroll until another role in the network came up.
There is either no will by RD to give Charltons head coach the tools to do the job or RD still hasn't got a clue of what is required to compete in the Championship. Either way I don't blame Guy.
If the trigger does get pulled then for me at least it might be the turning point in giving up on the lunacy that is football.
I should imagine RD is quite happy with Luzon.
It's not Luzon's fault, that he's being asked to do a job, with an insufficient squad to compete.
He does have a better squad than Powell had. Powell only had Church up front at one point.
Luzon will likely, only be in danger, when the fans turn on him, as they did at Liege.
RD sacked Luzon at Liege, because of the fans demonstrations, not because HE personally wanted to sack him.
I don't think Luzon is doing much wrong. I doubt that there are many coaches, that could get a threadbare squad, racked by injuries, to achieve better results.
I'm a bit indifferent on him .... Not convinced one way or t'other
This has been done to death. RD will not bat an eyelid at supporter protest. Liege wrecked the ground and constantly protested (look what good RDs removal has done them) and he still went on his terms when the right price was forthcoming.
Anyway - Here is a premature farewell - Nice knowing you Guy and Thank you!
Every club in the league has injuries, that's just the nature of the game. It was Luzon's decision to put an 18 year old up front on his own yesterday with zero support whatsoever. Anyone at the game will be able to say that we were playing for a 0-0 at the very best from the first minute onwards. Put JBG up front if you have to! Just do anything that gives us some threat!
Yesterday wasn't just a matter of us being bad due to a poor squad - but the selection and tactics were absolutely shocking.
If the squad is soley reliant on such players then the whole thing is not good enough anyway
They've all been on here some time ago.
I did not approve Luzon's appointment anyway and I am certainly doubting him. We must put in a performance on Tuesday and get 3 points, if we don't Luzon needs to go!