Ohhhhh Jeremy Corrrrrrbyn
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The reality is that chilli stuffed potato would probably poll better than Corbyn.thenewbie said:
If Corbyn goes (more likely when) it won't be to do with his policies or even his personal beliefs, but due to his utter inability to manage any sort of crisis effectively. Throw the man a hot potato and he'll stuff it with ghost chillies, set it alight then try and swallow it.Callumcafc said:You want my honest assessment of Corbyn and Labour right now?
1. I like him, I don’t think he has a bad bone in his body. I think he makes a lot of innocent mistakes and on days like today, the reality that someone who makes so many consistent mistakes will never be trusted by enough of the electorate hits me hard.
2. The reason I defend him and have voted with him three times: I love his policies and the most recent manifesto. It’s more than a breath of fresh air.
3. I’m scared that once Corbyn is ousted, the policies won’t be seen again from a mainstream party for at least a generation. I see him as our chance for a genuine shift back towards the left after many successive governments have dragged political debate to the right.
If JC goes in the next couple of years and some centrist with Tory-lite policies is installed, my membership of the Labour Party will be short lived indeed.
The politics aside, hes just not leadership material at all as the fact that Labour are somehow contriving to lose ground proves.1 -
you joke but "Don't know" polls significantly better than either may or corbyn in "who would make a better PM" polls.Stu_of_Kunming said:'
The reality is that chilli stuffed potato would probably poll better than Corbyn.thenewbie said:
If Corbyn goes (more likely when) it won't be to do with his policies or even his personal beliefs, but due to his utter inability to manage any sort of crisis effectively. Throw the man a hot potato and he'll stuff it with ghost chillies, set it alight then try and swallow it.Callumcafc said:You want my honest assessment of Corbyn and Labour right now?
1. I like him, I don’t think he has a bad bone in his body. I think he makes a lot of innocent mistakes and on days like today, the reality that someone who makes so many consistent mistakes will never be trusted by enough of the electorate hits me hard.
2. The reason I defend him and have voted with him three times: I love his policies and the most recent manifesto. It’s more than a breath of fresh air.
3. I’m scared that once Corbyn is ousted, the policies won’t be seen again from a mainstream party for at least a generation. I see him as our chance for a genuine shift back towards the left after many successive governments have dragged political debate to the right.
If JC goes in the next couple of years and some centrist with Tory-lite policies is installed, my membership of the Labour Party will be short lived indeed.
The politics aside, hes just not leadership material at all as the fact that Labour are somehow contriving to lose ground proves.0 -
The fact that those two clowns are the best our two main parties can currently offer up shows what a shocking state British politics is in.kentaddick said:
you joke but "Don't know" polls significantly better than either may or corbyn in "who would make a better PM" polls.Stu_of_Kunming said:'
The reality is that chilli stuffed potato would probably poll better than Corbyn.thenewbie said:
If Corbyn goes (more likely when) it won't be to do with his policies or even his personal beliefs, but due to his utter inability to manage any sort of crisis effectively. Throw the man a hot potato and he'll stuff it with ghost chillies, set it alight then try and swallow it.Callumcafc said:You want my honest assessment of Corbyn and Labour right now?
1. I like him, I don’t think he has a bad bone in his body. I think he makes a lot of innocent mistakes and on days like today, the reality that someone who makes so many consistent mistakes will never be trusted by enough of the electorate hits me hard.
2. The reason I defend him and have voted with him three times: I love his policies and the most recent manifesto. It’s more than a breath of fresh air.
3. I’m scared that once Corbyn is ousted, the policies won’t be seen again from a mainstream party for at least a generation. I see him as our chance for a genuine shift back towards the left after many successive governments have dragged political debate to the right.
If JC goes in the next couple of years and some centrist with Tory-lite policies is installed, my membership of the Labour Party will be short lived indeed.
The politics aside, hes just not leadership material at all as the fact that Labour are somehow contriving to lose ground proves.
I find it hard to imagine a time when I'd want to move back home and that makes me really sad.3 -
Be interesting to see the posts on here following the calm down dear remark.SantaClaus said:People are worrying about someone muttering 'stupid woman'? This country has lost its mind.
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Quite.Friend Or Defoe said:
Be interesting to see the posts on here following the calm down dear remark.SantaClaus said:People are worrying about someone muttering 'stupid woman'? This country has lost its mind.
Seems like our politics is in a race to the bottom. Tories screwing up brexit, Corbyn supposedly “not interrupting your opponent when they’re making a mistake”.
Now it’s okay for open misogyny because the other party partook in it 2 years ago.
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Manifesto vs manifesto, Labour absolutely hammered the Tories last time out.se9addick said:
What’s the point in these policies if they aren’t enough to defeat quite the worst government in my lifetime? Look at the polls - Labour are still behind by some distance and actually losing ground according to the latest numbers.Callumcafc said:You want my honest assessment of Corbyn and Labour right now?
1. I like him, I don’t think he has a bad bone in his body. I think he makes a lot of innocent mistakes and on days like today, the reality that someone who makes so many consistent mistakes will never be trusted by enough of the electorate hits me hard.
2. The reason I defend him and have voted with him three times: I love his policies and the most recent manifesto. It’s more than a breath of fresh air.
3. I’m scared that once Corbyn is ousted, the policies won’t be seen again from a mainstream party for at least a generation. I see him as our chance for a genuine shift back towards the left after many successive governments have dragged political debate to the right.
If JC goes in the next couple of years and some centrist with Tory-lite policies is installed, my membership of the Labour Party will be short lived indeed.
If you want to see real change from this terrible government then Labour have to get rid of Corbyn.
If the leader changes and the policies change with it, for all the centrist voters gained (and I don’t think it’d be as many as people think) there would be an equal amount like myself who would be lost to parties who stick by their progressive principles. Or you’d have people so disengaged that they will refuse to vote.
Maybe the time is coming where the mantle should be passed along but going back to the weak Labour Party of 2010-15 hands the Tories the next election in my eyes.2 -
i'm not understanding where this "right wing" ed miliband has come from. His policies were deemed by many critics as "too left wing" at the time.Callumcafc said:
Manifesto vs manifesto, Labour absolutely hammered the Tories last time out.se9addick said:
What’s the point in these policies if they aren’t enough to defeat quite the worst government in my lifetime? Look at the polls - Labour are still behind by some distance and actually losing ground according to the latest numbers.Callumcafc said:You want my honest assessment of Corbyn and Labour right now?
1. I like him, I don’t think he has a bad bone in his body. I think he makes a lot of innocent mistakes and on days like today, the reality that someone who makes so many consistent mistakes will never be trusted by enough of the electorate hits me hard.
2. The reason I defend him and have voted with him three times: I love his policies and the most recent manifesto. It’s more than a breath of fresh air.
3. I’m scared that once Corbyn is ousted, the policies won’t be seen again from a mainstream party for at least a generation. I see him as our chance for a genuine shift back towards the left after many successive governments have dragged political debate to the right.
If JC goes in the next couple of years and some centrist with Tory-lite policies is installed, my membership of the Labour Party will be short lived indeed.
If you want to see real change from this terrible government then Labour have to get rid of Corbyn.
If the leader changes and the policies change with it, for all the centrist voters gained (and I don’t think it’d be as many as people think) there would be an equal amount like myself who would be lost to parties who stick by their progressive principles.
Maybe the time is coming where the mantle should be passed along but going back to the weak Labour Party of 2010-15 hands the Tories the next election in my eyes.2 -
Manifesto vs Manifesto the dreadful Tory’s got around 25% more seats than Labour based on theirs. Since then Labour have not made any progress in terms of winning over enough people in this country that would vote for their manifesto and, in fact, have slipped back according to some polls.Callumcafc said:
Manifesto vs manifesto, Labour absolutely hammered the Tories last time out.se9addick said:
What’s the point in these policies if they aren’t enough to defeat quite the worst government in my lifetime? Look at the polls - Labour are still behind by some distance and actually losing ground according to the latest numbers.Callumcafc said:You want my honest assessment of Corbyn and Labour right now?
1. I like him, I don’t think he has a bad bone in his body. I think he makes a lot of innocent mistakes and on days like today, the reality that someone who makes so many consistent mistakes will never be trusted by enough of the electorate hits me hard.
2. The reason I defend him and have voted with him three times: I love his policies and the most recent manifesto. It’s more than a breath of fresh air.
3. I’m scared that once Corbyn is ousted, the policies won’t be seen again from a mainstream party for at least a generation. I see him as our chance for a genuine shift back towards the left after many successive governments have dragged political debate to the right.
If JC goes in the next couple of years and some centrist with Tory-lite policies is installed, my membership of the Labour Party will be short lived indeed.
If you want to see real change from this terrible government then Labour have to get rid of Corbyn.
If the leader changes and the policies change with it, for all the centrist voters gained (and I don’t think it’d be as many as people think) there would be an equal amount like myself who would be lost.
Maybe the time is coming where the mantle should be passed along but going back to the weak Labour Party of 2010-15 hands the Tories the next election in my eyes.
I reiterate - if you really want change from the current harmful policies of our existing government then supporting Corbyn actually harms that objective because the whole time he leads Labour they will be in power.5 -
And how did that work out for them?Callumcafc said:
Manifesto vs manifesto, Labour absolutely hammered the Tories last time out.se9addick said:
What’s the point in these policies if they aren’t enough to defeat quite the worst government in my lifetime? Look at the polls - Labour are still behind by some distance and actually losing ground according to the latest numbers.Callumcafc said:You want my honest assessment of Corbyn and Labour right now?
1. I like him, I don’t think he has a bad bone in his body. I think he makes a lot of innocent mistakes and on days like today, the reality that someone who makes so many consistent mistakes will never be trusted by enough of the electorate hits me hard.
2. The reason I defend him and have voted with him three times: I love his policies and the most recent manifesto. It’s more than a breath of fresh air.
3. I’m scared that once Corbyn is ousted, the policies won’t be seen again from a mainstream party for at least a generation. I see him as our chance for a genuine shift back towards the left after many successive governments have dragged political debate to the right.
If JC goes in the next couple of years and some centrist with Tory-lite policies is installed, my membership of the Labour Party will be short lived indeed.
If you want to see real change from this terrible government then Labour have to get rid of Corbyn.
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Manifesto vs manifesto, Labour absolutely hammered the Tories last time out.se9addick said:
What’s the point in these policies if they aren’t enough to defeat quite the worst government in my lifetime? Look at the polls - Labour are still behind by some distance and actually losing ground according to the latest numbers.Callumcafc said:You want my honest assessment of Corbyn and Labour right now?
1. I like him, I don’t think he has a bad bone in his body. I think he makes a lot of innocent mistakes and on days like today, the reality that someone who makes so many consistent mistakes will never be trusted by enough of the electorate hits me hard.
2. The reason I defend him and have voted with him three times: I love his policies and the most recent manifesto. It’s more than a breath of fresh air.
3. I’m scared that once Corbyn is ousted, the policies won’t be seen again from a mainstream party for at least a generation. I see him as our chance for a genuine shift back towards the left after many successive governments have dragged political debate to the right.
If JC goes in the next couple of years and some centrist with Tory-lite policies is installed, my membership of the Labour Party will be short lived indeed.
If you want to see real change from this terrible government then Labour have to get rid of Corbyn.
Agree but Labour still lost. That wasn't because May was brilliant.
If the leader changes and the policies change with it, for all the centrist voters gained (and I don’t think it’d be as many as people think) there would be an equal amount like myself who would be lost to parties who stick by their progressive principles. Or you’d have people so disengaged that they will refuse to vote.
What if the policies, which Leuth and other labour supporters claim are social democratic/centre left anyway, stay the same and leader changes?
Aren't the policies more important that the personality? If a different leader used the same manifesto and actually won isn't that more important?
Maybe the time is coming where the mantle should be passed along but going back to the weak Labour Party of 2010-15 hands the Tories the next election in my eyes.
It handed the Tories the last election and polls suggest it will hand then the next, Brexit mess and all. And they won't have the "stupid woman" leading them then.0 -
Seth, that is a CL all time classic.seth plum said:
I am not defending him. I am engaging with the evidence presented which I see as a different thing.se9addick said:
Your defence of him in the face of mounting evidence against him, including misogynistic comments made by him just moments ago, suggests that you do.seth plum said:
Where have I said I favour him?se9addick said:kentaddick said:nothing like a bit of misogyny by the leader of the opposition at PMQ's
Bloody hell Seth. I wonder what this bloke would have to do to lose your favour.seth plum said:Calling somebody stupid is one thing. Does ca!long somebody a stupid woman make you an eternal card carrying misogynist?
For the absence of doubt he definitely said it.
Personally I wouldn't have used the word stupid or woman when describing her.
There are other words.
Is calling the Prime Minister of this country a “stupid woman” abhorrent and unfitting of a person who wants to lead the Opposition (and one day the country)?
I'm not defending him I am engaging with the evidence presented.
Simply brilliant.2 -
Fixed that for you.Covered End said:
Seth, that is a CL all time classic.seth plum said:
I am not defending him. I am engaging with the evidence presented which I see as a different thing.se9addick said:
Your defence of him in the face of mounting evidence against him, including misogynistic comments made by him just moments ago, suggests that you do.seth plum said:
Where have I said I favour him?se9addick said:kentaddick said:nothing like a bit of misogyny by the leader of the opposition at PMQ's
Bloody hell Seth. I wonder what this bloke would have to do to lose your favour.seth plum said:Calling somebody stupid is one thing. Does ca!long somebody a stupid woman make you an eternal card carrying misogynist?
For the absence of doubt he definitely said it.
Personally I wouldn't have used the word stupid or woman when describing her.
There are other words.
Is calling the Prime Minister of this country a “stupid woman” abhorrent and unfitting of a person who wants to lead the Opposition (and one day the country)?
I'm not defending him I am engaging with the evidence presented which I see as a different thing.
Simply brilliant.
Sometimes truth does have a simple beauty.0 -
Oh my god how have my words been twisted so many times already? Lol sigh.
If the leader was different but the policies remained, I would vote for them. I don’t think that is realistic though: if the leader were to change, I expect the policies to change with them and we’re back to square one.
The manifesto is the leading reason Labour reached 40% of the vote share - and before anyone jumps to point out: I know that wasn’t enough to win, that was never my point.
This was (sadly) in spite of Corbyn. Someone with a squeaky clean reputation and the same policies would have won, I have no doubts about that.
If Corbyn had no decent policy to stand behind, I suspect Labour would’ve been in the 20s in vote share, instead they got 40.1 -
Although I'm personally not bothered about Corbyn calling May a stupid woman, I can absolutely guarantee if a Tory MP had said it about a female Labour MP, there would be outrage.
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Yet you choose to ignore it?seth plum said:
Fixed that for you.Covered End said:
Seth, that is a CL all time classic.seth plum said:
I am not defending him. I am engaging with the evidence presented which I see as a different thing.se9addick said:
Your defence of him in the face of mounting evidence against him, including misogynistic comments made by him just moments ago, suggests that you do.seth plum said:
Where have I said I favour him?se9addick said:kentaddick said:nothing like a bit of misogyny by the leader of the opposition at PMQ's
Bloody hell Seth. I wonder what this bloke would have to do to lose your favour.seth plum said:Calling somebody stupid is one thing. Does ca!long somebody a stupid woman make you an eternal card carrying misogynist?
For the absence of doubt he definitely said it.
Personally I wouldn't have used the word stupid or woman when describing her.
There are other words.
Is calling the Prime Minister of this country a “stupid woman” abhorrent and unfitting of a person who wants to lead the Opposition (and one day the country)?
I'm not defending him I am engaging with the evidence presented which I see as a different thing.
Simply brilliant.
Sometimes truth does have a simple beauty.2 -
Right, so Corbyn is the problem?Callumcafc said:Oh my god how have my words been twisted so many times already? Lol sigh.
If the leader was different but the policies remained, I would vote for them. I don’t think that is realistic. If the leader changes, I expect the policies to change.
The manifesto is the leading reason Labour reached 40% of the vote share - and before anyone jumps to point out: I know that wasn’t enough to win, that was never my point.
This was (sadly) in spite of Corbyn. Someone with a squeaky clean reputation and the same policies would have won, I have no doubts about that.
If Corbyn had no decent policy to stand behind, I suspect Labour would’ve been in the 20s in vote share, instead they got 40.
Edit - that’s not a dig - just trying to clarify that we’re on the same page.2 -
There’s quite a lot of outrage TBF!Gravesend_Addick said:Although I'm personally not bothered about Corbyn calling May a stupid woman, I can absolutely guarantee if a Tory MP had said it about a female Labour MP, there would be outrage.
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Yes. I’m personally ok with him but I understand the public are not and will likely never be.se9addick said:
Right, so Corbyn is the problem?Callumcafc said:Oh my god how have my words been twisted so many times already? Lol sigh.
If the leader was different but the policies remained, I would vote for them. I don’t think that is realistic. If the leader changes, I expect the policies to change.
The manifesto is the leading reason Labour reached 40% of the vote share - and before anyone jumps to point out: I know that wasn’t enough to win, that was never my point.
This was (sadly) in spite of Corbyn. Someone with a squeaky clean reputation and the same policies would have won, I have no doubts about that.
If Corbyn had no decent policy to stand behind, I suspect Labour would’ve been in the 20s in vote share, instead they got 40.
Edit - that’s not a dig - just trying to clarify that we’re on the same page.
I just am worried about him being replaced because the policies I suspect will disappear with him.2 -
Do you think the hundreds of thousands of labour members will suddenly do a 180 on their political beliefs?Callumcafc said:
Yes. I’m personally ok with him but I understand the public are not and will likely never be.se9addick said:
Right, so Corbyn is the problem?Callumcafc said:Oh my god how have my words been twisted so many times already? Lol sigh.
If the leader was different but the policies remained, I would vote for them. I don’t think that is realistic. If the leader changes, I expect the policies to change.
The manifesto is the leading reason Labour reached 40% of the vote share - and before anyone jumps to point out: I know that wasn’t enough to win, that was never my point.
This was (sadly) in spite of Corbyn. Someone with a squeaky clean reputation and the same policies would have won, I have no doubts about that.
If Corbyn had no decent policy to stand behind, I suspect Labour would’ve been in the 20s in vote share, instead they got 40.
Edit - that’s not a dig - just trying to clarify that we’re on the same page.
I just am worried about him being replaced because the policies I suspect will disappear with him.1 -
Why would the members who elected Corbyn suddenly opt for a centrist? Any future leader will be as left-wing as Corbyn.Callumcafc said:Oh my god how have my words been twisted so many times already? Lol sigh.
If the leader was different but the policies remained, I would vote for them. I don’t think that is realistic though: if the leader were to change, I expect the policies to change with them and we’re back to square one.
The manifesto is the leading reason Labour reached 40% of the vote share - and before anyone jumps to point out: I know that wasn’t enough to win, that was never my point.
This was (sadly) in spite of Corbyn. Someone with a squeaky clean reputation and the same policies would have won, I have no doubts about that.
If Corbyn had no decent policy to stand behind, I suspect Labour would’ve been in the 20s in vote share, instead they got 40.0 -
I wouldn’t put it past them to fudge it somehow. Corbyn only got on the ballot last time because no one took him seriously. They wouldn’t make the same mistake again.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Why would the members who elected Corbyn suddenly opt for a centrist? Any future leader will be as left-wing as Corbyn.Callumcafc said:Oh my god how have my words been twisted so many times already? Lol sigh.
If the leader was different but the policies remained, I would vote for them. I don’t think that is realistic though: if the leader were to change, I expect the policies to change with them and we’re back to square one.
The manifesto is the leading reason Labour reached 40% of the vote share - and before anyone jumps to point out: I know that wasn’t enough to win, that was never my point.
This was (sadly) in spite of Corbyn. Someone with a squeaky clean reputation and the same policies would have won, I have no doubts about that.
If Corbyn had no decent policy to stand behind, I suspect Labour would’ve been in the 20s in vote share, instead they got 40.0 -
See my response to Stu above. I suspect we wouldn’t get anyone like Corbyn on the ballot at a future leadership election.kentaddick said:
Do you think the hundreds of thousands of labour members will suddenly do a 180 on their political beliefs?Callumcafc said:
Yes. I’m personally ok with him but I understand the public are not and will likely never be.se9addick said:
Right, so Corbyn is the problem?Callumcafc said:Oh my god how have my words been twisted so many times already? Lol sigh.
If the leader was different but the policies remained, I would vote for them. I don’t think that is realistic. If the leader changes, I expect the policies to change.
The manifesto is the leading reason Labour reached 40% of the vote share - and before anyone jumps to point out: I know that wasn’t enough to win, that was never my point.
This was (sadly) in spite of Corbyn. Someone with a squeaky clean reputation and the same policies would have won, I have no doubts about that.
If Corbyn had no decent policy to stand behind, I suspect Labour would’ve been in the 20s in vote share, instead they got 40.
Edit - that’s not a dig - just trying to clarify that we’re on the same page.
I just am worried about him being replaced because the policies I suspect will disappear with him.0 -
will the new pro corbyn MP's suddenly do a 180 on their political views?Callumcafc said:
See my response to Stu above. I suspect we wouldn’t get anyone like Corbyn on the ballot at a future leadership election.kentaddick said:
Do you think the hundreds of thousands of labour members will suddenly do a 180 on their political beliefs?Callumcafc said:
Yes. I’m personally ok with him but I understand the public are not and will likely never be.se9addick said:
Right, so Corbyn is the problem?Callumcafc said:Oh my god how have my words been twisted so many times already? Lol sigh.
If the leader was different but the policies remained, I would vote for them. I don’t think that is realistic. If the leader changes, I expect the policies to change.
The manifesto is the leading reason Labour reached 40% of the vote share - and before anyone jumps to point out: I know that wasn’t enough to win, that was never my point.
This was (sadly) in spite of Corbyn. Someone with a squeaky clean reputation and the same policies would have won, I have no doubts about that.
If Corbyn had no decent policy to stand behind, I suspect Labour would’ve been in the 20s in vote share, instead they got 40.
Edit - that’s not a dig - just trying to clarify that we’re on the same page.
I just am worried about him being replaced because the policies I suspect will disappear with him.0 -
If someone cannot get the support of 15% of MPs/MEPs in order to get on the ballot, are They really in any position to lead?Callumcafc said:
I wouldn’t put it past them to fudge it somehow. Corbyn only got on the ballot last time because no one took him seriously. They wouldn’t make the same mistake again.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Why would the members who elected Corbyn suddenly opt for a centrist? Any future leader will be as left-wing as Corbyn.Callumcafc said:Oh my god how have my words been twisted so many times already? Lol sigh.
If the leader was different but the policies remained, I would vote for them. I don’t think that is realistic though: if the leader were to change, I expect the policies to change with them and we’re back to square one.
The manifesto is the leading reason Labour reached 40% of the vote share - and before anyone jumps to point out: I know that wasn’t enough to win, that was never my point.
This was (sadly) in spite of Corbyn. Someone with a squeaky clean reputation and the same policies would have won, I have no doubts about that.
If Corbyn had no decent policy to stand behind, I suspect Labour would’ve been in the 20s in vote share, instead they got 40.
Corbyn's faction also controls The NEC now, so I can't see the left losing their grip on Labour anytime soon!1 -
Deep joy.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Corbyn's faction also controls The NEC now, so I can't see the left losing their grip on Labour anytime soon!Callumcafc said:
I wouldn’t put it past them to fudge it somehow. Corbyn only got on the ballot last time because no one took him seriously. They wouldn’t make the same mistake again.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Why would the members who elected Corbyn suddenly opt for a centrist? Any future leader will be as left-wing as Corbyn.Callumcafc said:Oh my god how have my words been twisted so many times already? Lol sigh.
If the leader was different but the policies remained, I would vote for them. I don’t think that is realistic though: if the leader were to change, I expect the policies to change with them and we’re back to square one.
The manifesto is the leading reason Labour reached 40% of the vote share - and before anyone jumps to point out: I know that wasn’t enough to win, that was never my point.
This was (sadly) in spite of Corbyn. Someone with a squeaky clean reputation and the same policies would have won, I have no doubts about that.
If Corbyn had no decent policy to stand behind, I suspect Labour would’ve been in the 20s in vote share, instead they got 40.
How's Vince Cable getting on?
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In answer to your question. No, I do not choose to ignore it, however I often choose to seek it.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Yet you choose to ignore it?seth plum said:
Fixed that for you.Covered End said:
Seth, that is a CL all time classic.seth plum said:
I am not defending him. I am engaging with the evidence presented which I see as a different thing.se9addick said:
Your defence of him in the face of mounting evidence against him, including misogynistic comments made by him just moments ago, suggests that you do.seth plum said:
Where have I said I favour him?se9addick said:kentaddick said:nothing like a bit of misogyny by the leader of the opposition at PMQ's
Bloody hell Seth. I wonder what this bloke would have to do to lose your favour.seth plum said:Calling somebody stupid is one thing. Does ca!long somebody a stupid woman make you an eternal card carrying misogynist?
For the absence of doubt he definitely said it.
Personally I wouldn't have used the word stupid or woman when describing her.
There are other words.
Is calling the Prime Minister of this country a “stupid woman” abhorrent and unfitting of a person who wants to lead the Opposition (and one day the country)?
I'm not defending him I am engaging with the evidence presented which I see as a different thing.
Simply brilliant.
Sometimes truth does have a simple beauty.0 -
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Deep joy.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Corbyn's faction also controls The NEC now, so I can't see the left losing their grip on Labour anytime soon!Callumcafc said:
I wouldn’t put it past them to fudge it somehow. Corbyn only got on the ballot last time because no one took him seriously. They wouldn’t make the same mistake again.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Why would the members who elected Corbyn suddenly opt for a centrist? Any future leader will be as left-wing as Corbyn.Callumcafc said:Oh my god how have my words been twisted so many times already? Lol sigh.
If the leader was different but the policies remained, I would vote for them. I don’t think that is realistic though: if the leader were to change, I expect the policies to change with them and we’re back to square one.
The manifesto is the leading reason Labour reached 40% of the vote share - and before anyone jumps to point out: I know that wasn’t enough to win, that was never my point.
This was (sadly) in spite of Corbyn. Someone with a squeaky clean reputation and the same policies would have won, I have no doubts about that.
If Corbyn had no decent policy to stand behind, I suspect Labour would’ve been in the 20s in vote share, instead they got 40.
How's Sir Vince Cable getting on?0
