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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Derby County | Saturday 6th August 2022 @ 3pm
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Woeful first half, lucky not to be at least 2 down.
The second half we couldn’t have been any worse, so was it an improvement or had Derby run themselves ragged in the Sun?
Thought the defence looked shaky and O’Connel was poor as was Fraser.
Goalkeeper at the moment looks the best bit of business this summer.0 -
Derbycazo said:Was it a Derby or charlton fan.0 -
Mate, it wasn’t just a slight improvement, credit needs to be given to the manager and squad 2nd half.sillav nitram said:Woeful first half, lucky not to be at least 2 down.
The second half we couldn’t have been any worse, so was it an improvement or had Derby run themselves ragged in the Sun?
Thought the defence looked shaky and O’Connel was poor as was Fraser.
Goalkeeper at the moment looks the best bit of business this summer.13 -
Dobbo voted MOM in the lounge, my vote went to Woolacott but fair play to Dobbo always has a smile on his face and was certainly up there along with Clare as well, all putting in stellar performances.40 -
Massive show of character from Dobson to be dropped, come on, change that game, and be MOM.I don’t care how good or bad Mcgrandles is, Dobson has to start.43
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For the first 30 minutes we were awful, then Dobson came on. Nothing more to say!1
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How the feck did today happen?1
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Cheers, he was a very friendly and down to earth, happy days.ValleyGary said:Pukka photo @br7_addick3 -
You really know nothing about football but only serve comment to slate AM for a year now. Nothing about Sessegnon who passed off the pitch twice in the first half but actually played well against a tricky winger. Plus O'connell who nearly gifted Derby a goal with a poor headed back pass , McGrandles and Fraser Anonymous, Clare letting his man drift behind him in the first half but excellent 2nd.paulfox said:That’s the sort of thing the old charlton used to do, spanked 0-0 first half, come out second half and win!!!!……. Wollacott 1st half fantastic, Dobson was something else when he came on, Clare really played well, Albie was unfortunately The Albie I’ve slated for too long first half,second half so much better, closing down at the end was great, When Albie decides to run forward and effect a game that’s when he shows he has something, he so needs to look forward on the pitch more and might prove, many wrong, but not yet mind. The team as a whole were miles better second half, do we actually have a manager that doesn’t send the players to sleep at halftime for a change, must have been a blinder from BG. Well done to the lads today could of got ugly, but showed real character.👍
The one you mention and continue to mention is AM and always negatively. Even in a positive comment there is a barbed dig.
AM wasn't perfect in the first half but he didn't hide and if you watch again got in some crucial interceptions.
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It's interesting that Garner seems to have set up today based on where we were rather than who we were playing. He clearly likes having more of a ball player behind the midfield two rather than a shielding player, which is a modern tweak a lot of teams have put in place, but he's gone in with McGrandles as more of an aggressive ball-mover rather than Dobson, a violent ball-stopper, and Kirk instead of DJ for flair rather than work rate. I wouldn't be surprised if that was his home/away regular switch-up, but it will be interesting to see if he starts making those changes based on the teams rather than whether we're at The Valley or not. I suspect he'll want us to set our stall out and play a certain way regardless of the opposition, but we could see some dropped points at home because we might have benefited from being a bit more solid rather than sticking to the broader plan. Two big results though. Away at Accrington who are a proper fortress team and home against Derby who were recently relegated from the Championship is a tough start and getting 4 points from that is huge. In theory we should get better and better as the players start to gel and learn from games how best to play Garner's way, so getting points on the board now should hopefully set us up nicely going forward
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Breaking news, he isn't Albie's dad and Thomas isn't going to shag you.paulfox said:
Seriously,are you his dad? I said he has done well, if he didn’t I’d say he played shit. Didn’t realise you were the football oracle. You didn’t need to have a dig, I know plenty about football like many others. If Albie carries on his slight improvement he will win people over.Treacey1969 said:
You really know nothing about football but only serve comment to slate AM for a year now. Nothing about Sessegnon who passed off the pitch twice in the first half but actually played well against a tricky winger. Plus O'connell who nearly gifted Derby a goal with a poor headed back pass , McGrandles and Fraser Anonymous, Clare letting his man drift behind him in the first half but excellent 2nd.paulfox said:That’s the sort of thing the old charlton used to do, spanked 0-0 first half, come out second half and win!!!!……. Wollacott 1st half fantastic, Dobson was something else when he came on, Clare really played well, Albie was unfortunately The Albie I’ve slated for too long first half,second half so much better, closing down at the end was great, When Albie decides to run forward and effect a game that’s when he shows he has something, he so needs to look forward on the pitch more and might prove, many wrong, but not yet mind. The team as a whole were miles better second half, do we actually have a manager that doesn’t send the players to sleep at halftime for a change, must have been a blinder from BG. Well done to the lads today could of got ugly, but showed real character.👍
The one you mention and continue to mention is AM and always negatively. Even in a positive comment there is a barbed dig.
AM wasn't perfect in the first half but he didn't hide and if you watch again got in some crucial interceptions.
we’ve just won and you’d rather have a pop at a fellow supporter
Different opinions, who would ever have thought it...
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We’ll see, I think Dobson is an incredibly important player for is and I don’t think we have anyone else who can play that role. I wouldn’t start a game without him unless we have to. Semedo was instrumental for us in a similar position when we won L1 a decade ago, let’s hope the same thing happens again!Cafc43v3r said:
Book mark that and come back to it at the end of the season........se9addick said:
Maybe “treat” was the wrong word, “use” might have been better. Either way, he’s one of (if not the) best players in our squad, and it clearly showed when he came on.Cafc43v3r said:
I don't think not having someone as the first name on the team sheet is treating them badly? Clean slate isn't it?se9addick said:
Such a strange way to treat the one player that can really make us tick. At this level there are few more effective players at winning back possession in the middle of the pitch, creating the opportunity for us to a) stop the opposition pressuring us, and b) setting us up to pressure the opposition. He’d be the first name on my team sheet.Cafc43v3r said:
Remember he played for the "stiffs" v Welling. I was more surprised that he started at Accrington than he didn't start today.se9addick said:
I actually think the turning point was Dobson coming on, rather than the half time whistle. No idea why he didn’t start, a slightly below par performance in the Accrington match seems a crazy reason to drop him today given how important he is to us.killerandflash said:An odd game in that we were awful in the first half, but somehow didn't concede. The centre backs were all over the place, we were constantly overrun down the flanks, and the midfield offered no protection. Only our keeper gets any credit.
Second half we were much better, even if we still rode our luck with more awful finishing by Derby. Dobson showed he is essential in games like this, Morgan showed why he deserves to play BUT not as the defensive shield, and the defence looked more solid, if still not great.
Stockley wasn't great, too slow to get onto low crosses, but also should have done better with his headed chances. Fraser was anonymous, and must be more at risk than Morgan from Payne who make a really encouraging cameo.
That's not a reflection on what I would do, what I thought would happen.
Else Fraser, Kirk and Morgan would be no where near the team.
I would have him in the team but I will lay good money that if he wins POTY this year we won't get in the play offs.2 -
I hope it ain't Paul McCartney either!killerandflash said:
I hope "one or two waiting in the wings" doesn't mean we're signing Welling United players 😉LouisMend said:2 -
Covid?Exiled_Addick said:
Yeah, there’s looks to be something up with him to me. Seems a bit off the pace an tires quickly. There’s flashes of quality in the way he turns away from a man but he’s quickly caught and crowded out again. Night and day between him and the energy levels of Albie and Payne. Shame one or those two isn’t a bit bigger physically.ValleyGary said:I thought Fraser did okay between 45-60 then looked fucked.
Dont think he should start the next league game.0 -
Camera doesn't quite pick it up, but you hear the crowd chant, on seeing Tracey giving Miles a big hug on the pitch: a very special moment for many fans I think as well as the Leaburn family.Cafcmunich said:
Fucking great video! You can tell that the players actually do care!Callumcafc said:3 -
Breaking news you are jumping on the bandwagon unnecessarily, I’m a married man and that comment is just childish and idiotic.Cafc43v3r said:
Breaking news, he isn't Albie's dad and Thomas isn't going to shag you.paulfox said:
Seriously,are you his dad? I said he has done well, if he didn’t I’d say he played shit. Didn’t realise you were the football oracle. You didn’t need to have a dig, I know plenty about football like many others. If Albie carries on his slight improvement he will win people over.Treacey1969 said:
You really know nothing about football but only serve comment to slate AM for a year now. Nothing about Sessegnon who passed off the pitch twice in the first half but actually played well against a tricky winger. Plus O'connell who nearly gifted Derby a goal with a poor headed back pass , McGrandles and Fraser Anonymous, Clare letting his man drift behind him in the first half but excellent 2nd.paulfox said:That’s the sort of thing the old charlton used to do, spanked 0-0 first half, come out second half and win!!!!……. Wollacott 1st half fantastic, Dobson was something else when he came on, Clare really played well, Albie was unfortunately The Albie I’ve slated for too long first half,second half so much better, closing down at the end was great, When Albie decides to run forward and effect a game that’s when he shows he has something, he so needs to look forward on the pitch more and might prove, many wrong, but not yet mind. The team as a whole were miles better second half, do we actually have a manager that doesn’t send the players to sleep at halftime for a change, must have been a blinder from BG. Well done to the lads today could of got ugly, but showed real character.👍
The one you mention and continue to mention is AM and always negatively. Even in a positive comment there is a barbed dig.
AM wasn't perfect in the first half but he didn't hide and if you watch again got in some crucial interceptions.
we’ve just won and you’d rather have a pop at a fellow supporter
Different opinions, who would ever have thought it...
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I'm really not sure that is right.se9addick said:
We’ll see, I think Dobson is an incredibly important player for is and I don’t think we have anyone else who can play that role. I wouldn’t start a game without him unless we have to. Semedo was instrumental for us in a similar position when we won L1 a decade ago, let’s hope the same thing happens again!Cafc43v3r said:
Book mark that and come back to it at the end of the season........se9addick said:
Maybe “treat” was the wrong word, “use” might have been better. Either way, he’s one of (if not the) best players in our squad, and it clearly showed when he came on.Cafc43v3r said:
I don't think not having someone as the first name on the team sheet is treating them badly? Clean slate isn't it?se9addick said:
Such a strange way to treat the one player that can really make us tick. At this level there are few more effective players at winning back possession in the middle of the pitch, creating the opportunity for us to a) stop the opposition pressuring us, and b) setting us up to pressure the opposition. He’d be the first name on my team sheet.Cafc43v3r said:
Remember he played for the "stiffs" v Welling. I was more surprised that he started at Accrington than he didn't start today.se9addick said:
I actually think the turning point was Dobson coming on, rather than the half time whistle. No idea why he didn’t start, a slightly below par performance in the Accrington match seems a crazy reason to drop him today given how important he is to us.killerandflash said:An odd game in that we were awful in the first half, but somehow didn't concede. The centre backs were all over the place, we were constantly overrun down the flanks, and the midfield offered no protection. Only our keeper gets any credit.
Second half we were much better, even if we still rode our luck with more awful finishing by Derby. Dobson showed he is essential in games like this, Morgan showed why he deserves to play BUT not as the defensive shield, and the defence looked more solid, if still not great.
Stockley wasn't great, too slow to get onto low crosses, but also should have done better with his headed chances. Fraser was anonymous, and must be more at risk than Morgan from Payne who make a really encouraging cameo.
That's not a reflection on what I would do, what I thought would happen.
Else Fraser, Kirk and Morgan would be no where near the team.
I would have him in the team but I will lay good money that if he wins POTY this year we won't get in the play offs.
As far as I recall, it was only after Chris Powell gave Semedo a free transfer that we won the league the following season.3 -
Jeez calm down mate. Reply with reasoning, you do it with other posts. Don’t get so wound up.paulfox said:
Seriously,are you his dad? I said he has done well, if he didn’t I’d say he played shit. Didn’t realise you were the football oracle. You didn’t need to have a dig, I know plenty about football like many others. If Albie carries on his slight improvement he will win people over.Treacey1969 said:
You really know nothing about football but only serve comment to slate AM for a year now. Nothing about Sessegnon who passed off the pitch twice in the first half but actually played well against a tricky winger. Plus O'connell who nearly gifted Derby a goal with a poor headed back pass , McGrandles and Fraser Anonymous, Clare letting his man drift behind him in the first half but excellent 2nd.paulfox said:That’s the sort of thing the old charlton used to do, spanked 0-0 first half, come out second half and win!!!!……. Wollacott 1st half fantastic, Dobson was something else when he came on, Clare really played well, Albie was unfortunately The Albie I’ve slated for too long first half,second half so much better, closing down at the end was great, When Albie decides to run forward and effect a game that’s when he shows he has something, he so needs to look forward on the pitch more and might prove, many wrong, but not yet mind. The team as a whole were miles better second half, do we actually have a manager that doesn’t send the players to sleep at halftime for a change, must have been a blinder from BG. Well done to the lads today could of got ugly, but showed real character.👍
The one you mention and continue to mention is AM and always negatively. Even in a positive comment there is a barbed dig.
AM wasn't perfect in the first half but he didn't hide and if you watch again got in some crucial interceptions.
we’ve just won and you’d rather have a pop at a fellow supporter
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Will be interesting to see how Dobson is used this season. Will be going mental if he isn’t starting away to Sheffield next week, but could probably understand if he’s not starting when playing Morecambe or Burton at home.It’s good that we have a squad when we can rotate or drop a very good player like Dobson.6
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I’m absolutely fine, if people want to disagree no problem, but if they want to have a sly dig, I’ll respond in kind.ValleyGary said:
Jeez calm down mate. Reply with reasoning, you do it with other posts. Don’t get so wound up.paulfox said:
Seriously,are you his dad? I said he has done well, if he didn’t I’d say he played shit. Didn’t realise you were the football oracle. You didn’t need to have a dig, I know plenty about football like many others. If Albie carries on his slight improvement he will win people over.Treacey1969 said:
You really know nothing about football but only serve comment to slate AM for a year now. Nothing about Sessegnon who passed off the pitch twice in the first half but actually played well against a tricky winger. Plus O'connell who nearly gifted Derby a goal with a poor headed back pass , McGrandles and Fraser Anonymous, Clare letting his man drift behind him in the first half but excellent 2nd.paulfox said:That’s the sort of thing the old charlton used to do, spanked 0-0 first half, come out second half and win!!!!……. Wollacott 1st half fantastic, Dobson was something else when he came on, Clare really played well, Albie was unfortunately The Albie I’ve slated for too long first half,second half so much better, closing down at the end was great, When Albie decides to run forward and effect a game that’s when he shows he has something, he so needs to look forward on the pitch more and might prove, many wrong, but not yet mind. The team as a whole were miles better second half, do we actually have a manager that doesn’t send the players to sleep at halftime for a change, must have been a blinder from BG. Well done to the lads today could of got ugly, but showed real character.👍
The one you mention and continue to mention is AM and always negatively. Even in a positive comment there is a barbed dig.
AM wasn't perfect in the first half but he didn't hide and if you watch again got in some crucial interceptions.
we’ve just won and you’d rather have a pop at a fellow supporter
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Ah, my bad. Should have kept him and we would have won the league by even more!Fortune 82nd Minute said:
I'm really not sure that is right.se9addick said:
We’ll see, I think Dobson is an incredibly important player for is and I don’t think we have anyone else who can play that role. I wouldn’t start a game without him unless we have to. Semedo was instrumental for us in a similar position when we won L1 a decade ago, let’s hope the same thing happens again!Cafc43v3r said:
Book mark that and come back to it at the end of the season........se9addick said:
Maybe “treat” was the wrong word, “use” might have been better. Either way, he’s one of (if not the) best players in our squad, and it clearly showed when he came on.Cafc43v3r said:
I don't think not having someone as the first name on the team sheet is treating them badly? Clean slate isn't it?se9addick said:
Such a strange way to treat the one player that can really make us tick. At this level there are few more effective players at winning back possession in the middle of the pitch, creating the opportunity for us to a) stop the opposition pressuring us, and b) setting us up to pressure the opposition. He’d be the first name on my team sheet.Cafc43v3r said:
Remember he played for the "stiffs" v Welling. I was more surprised that he started at Accrington than he didn't start today.se9addick said:
I actually think the turning point was Dobson coming on, rather than the half time whistle. No idea why he didn’t start, a slightly below par performance in the Accrington match seems a crazy reason to drop him today given how important he is to us.killerandflash said:An odd game in that we were awful in the first half, but somehow didn't concede. The centre backs were all over the place, we were constantly overrun down the flanks, and the midfield offered no protection. Only our keeper gets any credit.
Second half we were much better, even if we still rode our luck with more awful finishing by Derby. Dobson showed he is essential in games like this, Morgan showed why he deserves to play BUT not as the defensive shield, and the defence looked more solid, if still not great.
Stockley wasn't great, too slow to get onto low crosses, but also should have done better with his headed chances. Fraser was anonymous, and must be more at risk than Morgan from Payne who make a really encouraging cameo.
That's not a reflection on what I would do, what I thought would happen.
Else Fraser, Kirk and Morgan would be no where near the team.
I would have him in the team but I will lay good money that if he wins POTY this year we won't get in the play offs.
As far as I recall, it was only after Chris Powell gave Semedo a free transfer that we won the league the following season.4 -
Interesting that in the post match talk, Garner said that his half time talk was muted and he made a last minute decision whilst walking in, to be cool. Obviously he thinks a lot about what and how to address the players. Curbs on the other hand mentioned that in tmes past, following a 1st half like that, he'd have given them a roasting.4
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Other managers (Curbs?) have said that while you might want a few harsh words, it's a waste of HT anyway to spend the whole time on bollocking them, rather than giving constructive commentsThe Prince-e-Paul said:Interesting that in the post match talk, Garner said that his half time talk was muted and he made a last minute decision whilst walking in, to be cool. Obviously he thinks a lot about what and how to address the players. Curbs on the other hand mentioned that in tmes past, following a 1st half like that, he'd have given them a roasting.
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The half time turnaround gives me the most optimism. Not seen that for quite some time and long may it continue.
Garner spoke about it being a psychological thing and he's 100% correct. It's something that has run through this club for a good couple of seasons now. He's going to need to be 30% football manager and 70% psychiatrist with this group for the first few months.11 -
Going off on a sweary rant when someone makes a few pointed comments in your direction is not responding in kind, it's an escalation. It is possible to be the bigger man and just roll your eyes and move on. I'd recommend putting the keyboard down, putting the highlights show on ITV4 on, and come back to the thread tomorrow.paulfox said:
I’m absolutely fine, if people want to disagree no problem, but if they want to have a sly dig, I’ll respond in kind.ValleyGary said:
Jeez calm down mate. Reply with reasoning, you do it with other posts. Don’t get so wound up.paulfox said:
Seriously,are you his dad? I said he has done well, if he didn’t I’d say he played shit. Didn’t realise you were the football oracle. You didn’t need to have a dig, I know plenty about football like many others. If Albie carries on his slight improvement he will win people over.Treacey1969 said:
You really know nothing about football but only serve comment to slate AM for a year now. Nothing about Sessegnon who passed off the pitch twice in the first half but actually played well against a tricky winger. Plus O'connell who nearly gifted Derby a goal with a poor headed back pass , McGrandles and Fraser Anonymous, Clare letting his man drift behind him in the first half but excellent 2nd.paulfox said:That’s the sort of thing the old charlton used to do, spanked 0-0 first half, come out second half and win!!!!……. Wollacott 1st half fantastic, Dobson was something else when he came on, Clare really played well, Albie was unfortunately The Albie I’ve slated for too long first half,second half so much better, closing down at the end was great, When Albie decides to run forward and effect a game that’s when he shows he has something, he so needs to look forward on the pitch more and might prove, many wrong, but not yet mind. The team as a whole were miles better second half, do we actually have a manager that doesn’t send the players to sleep at halftime for a change, must have been a blinder from BG. Well done to the lads today could of got ugly, but showed real character.👍
The one you mention and continue to mention is AM and always negatively. Even in a positive comment there is a barbed dig.
AM wasn't perfect in the first half but he didn't hide and if you watch again got in some crucial interceptions.
we’ve just won and you’d rather have a pop at a fellow supporter
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It wasn't a sly dig as it was a criticism of your observations which obviously are your opinions about AM. Even you stated you "slate" which gives us an understanding of your view and a view that you are consistent with.paulfox said:
I’m absolutely fine, if people want to disagree no problem, but if they want to have a sly dig, I’ll respond in kind.ValleyGary said:
Jeez calm down mate. Reply with reasoning, you do it with other posts. Don’t get so wound up.paulfox said:
Seriously,are you his dad? I said he has done well, if he didn’t I’d say he played shit. Didn’t realise you were the football oracle. You didn’t need to have a dig, I know plenty about football like many others. If Albie carries on his slight improvement he will win people over.Treacey1969 said:
You really know nothing about football but only serve comment to slate AM for a year now. Nothing about Sessegnon who passed off the pitch twice in the first half but actually played well against a tricky winger. Plus O'connell who nearly gifted Derby a goal with a poor headed back pass , McGrandles and Fraser Anonymous, Clare letting his man drift behind him in the first half but excellent 2nd.paulfox said:That’s the sort of thing the old charlton used to do, spanked 0-0 first half, come out second half and win!!!!……. Wollacott 1st half fantastic, Dobson was something else when he came on, Clare really played well, Albie was unfortunately The Albie I’ve slated for too long first half,second half so much better, closing down at the end was great, When Albie decides to run forward and effect a game that’s when he shows he has something, he so needs to look forward on the pitch more and might prove, many wrong, but not yet mind. The team as a whole were miles better second half, do we actually have a manager that doesn’t send the players to sleep at halftime for a change, must have been a blinder from BG. Well done to the lads today could of got ugly, but showed real character.👍
The one you mention and continue to mention is AM and always negatively. Even in a positive comment there is a barbed dig.
AM wasn't perfect in the first half but he didn't hide and if you watch again got in some crucial interceptions.
we’ve just won and you’d rather have a pop at a fellow supporter
For the record I'm not his Dad rather a fan who see's AM in a more positive way as a player in Charlton's team than yourself.
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The other thing that gives me cause for optimism is that we were clearly fitter over 95 minutes than Derby. And at half time on Charlton TV, they were all convinced Inniss wouldnt emerge for the second half, but there he was, solid as a rock to the end. In the pre match interview he mentioned the back room team had tried new approaches with his fitness issues. Curbs keeps saying that *if* they can keep him fit he will be a huge asset to us, and he clearly wants to be that.carly burn said:The half time turnaround gives me the most optimism. Not seen that for quite some time and long may it continue.
Garner spoke about it being a psychological thing and he's 100% correct. It's something that has run through this club for a good couple of seasons now. He's going to need to be 30% football manager and 70% psychiatrist with this group for the first few months.I’ve long suspected that Duchatelet ran down the fitness and medical budget. TS. has said he recognises it as an issue. Maybe we are starting to see the results.
Now just imagine, if they sort Aneke out too….24 -
We won with a great 2nd half turn around. Let's start moaning when we loose 2-0 next week0
