Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Do people think if a serious amount of money was available for naming rights over The Valley that successive regimes would have rejected it? Regimes with such a strong attraction to the club’s traditions and history as Duchatelet’s? Or the spivs?
Charlton struggle to get six figures for shirt sponsorship. Look at the matchday ads on the new boards and figure how many are contras or freebies. Look at the empty kit sponsorship pages in the programme. The market isn’t there for Charlton in L1.
Sure, someone like Ashley can plaster the ground with their own ads, but I seriously doubt it is worth any significant amount in cash terms.23 -
The uplift in fans will be marginal, just like the size of the discounts.lonman said:
TBH maybe his son shouldn't say it. But I reckon it's true. The uplift in numbers will be marginal. Happy to be proved wrong.Charlton_Road_James said:
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I think we get too agitated about re-naming the Valley. Firstly, we can always call it the Valley and secondly, it isn't a change of name by deed poll and lasts only as long as somebody pays for it. There are bigger issues to occupy our thoughts/ concerns.18
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Same and I couldn’t even tell you what the official sponsored name is at the moment.Cafc43v3r said:
Valley Parade has been "named" for a long time but I have never heard anyone ever call it anything other than Valley Parade. The same is/was true of Odsal.charltonbob said:
No matter what any new owner renamed The Valley as, it would still be the Valley to us & no doubt all/most of footballWSS said:I know it's mental saying this but I think Mike Ashley would be excellent for us. We'd not agree with all of his decisions (renaming the stadium) but I think we'd end up in a much better place than we have been for a few years.
Can't believe I typed that.
I live in Bradford before someone says they have never heard anyone call it anything
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Happy to accept that if Ashley also gives Garner the funds to get out of the third tier.Callumcafc said:Who’s ready to support the team at the SportsDirect.com Valley?0 -
Well I suppose moving to another owner with a track record of paying peanuts for staff and treating them like shit would be familiar.1
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But there is no evidence that of those potentially interested, Ashley is one of them. In fact we have been told he isn't.2
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Everyone's a critic!Stu_of_Kunming said:
So he kept them in the prem for the vast majority of his ownership and isn’t good enough for some Charlton fans?North Lower Neil said:
I can't agree with that.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
His net spend on transfers was something like £3m a year while others spent millions, and while they were getting a load in TV money etc, plus he used them for however much free advertising.
He was like a Glazers-lite type in that respect.
He appointed the likes of Kinnear, McClaren, Pardew (recently sacked by L1 Southampton) etc. They got relegated twice under his ownership.
There are worse owners, but there are far better too.Maybe it’s not Newcastle that are the deluded idiots.
I've said above there are a lot worse owners, but there are a lot better too.
He didn't keep a club the size of us in the Premier League for years on end. He kept a club that by rights should probably be there every season (and had been for 15 years) in the league for most of the seasons he was there, getting relegated twice using their own money and not his for the most part.
I don't get why thinking a guy who took money out of a club, appointed some terrible managers there etc was all sunshine and light is that deluded.3 -
"Kept them in the prem" - after the big 6, Newcastle are probably the next biggest club in the country. A club of their size should arguably be finishing top 10 every year, but he spent so little they were relegated twice.Stu_of_Kunming said:
So he kept them in the prem for the vast majority of his ownership and isn’t good enough for some Charlton fans?North Lower Neil said:
I can't agree with that.Croydon said:
Newcastle fans despise him from nothing other than their own delusions of grandeur.Clem_Snide said:Jesus. Are people really seeing Ashley as a reasonable replacement for Sandergaard?There has been uproar about the treatment of staff, look at the treatment of Sports Direct Staff under Ashley's watch......Newcastle fans despise him. We would simply be jumping from a sinking ship to a burning one.
His net spend on transfers was something like £3m a year while others spent millions, and while they were getting a load in TV money etc, plus he used them for however much free advertising.
He was like a Glazers-lite type in that respect.
He appointed the likes of Kinnear, McClaren, Pardew (recently sacked by L1 Southampton) etc. They got relegated twice under his ownership.
There are worse owners, but there are far better too.Maybe it’s not Newcastle that are the deluded idiots.
Yes he got them back up, but even then you could argue a club with 50k fans, some half decent PL players and PL parachute payments should be pissing the championship anyway. Norwich do it every other year, so getting Newcastle back up is not an achievement.
I accept his ambitions (or lack of) with Newcastle would be completely different to what he'd need to do with us, but i'm simply putting a case forward of why Newcastle fans hated him, which many can't seem to understand.
Having said that though, i'd take him as our owner now simply because he'd have no choice but to invest and that is a million times better than what we're doing right now.2 -
We haven't even opened up a takeover thread yet and some are vilifying Ashley. Unbelievable! I'd be amazed if he came anywhere near us, but apparently he might take a look, so there's hope there.
Any prospective new owner attending a game at the Valley this season is unlikely to be impressed by the attendances. As TS did, you buy for potential but have to operate within restrictions that are currently in place, such as the player wage budget driven by turnover. Unfortunately, as ours is relatively low at present, whoever takes over will know it's not likely that they can effect a short-term fix and that fans will be impatient for success.
L1 is killing us! Beggars can't be choosers and, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.5 - Sponsored links:
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We’ve also been told he’s interested and could be at a game soon.MuttleyCAFC said:But there is no evidence that of those potentially interested, Ashley is one of them. In fact we have been told he isn't.1 -
Given that we have absolutely zero say in who Thomas sells to, I can't say I would be disappointed if it turns out to be Ashley when you think of the possible alternatives.
Anyway, it seems a bit foolish debating the merits of a potential owner who has not given any indication he's interested.
Edit. Just read scohams post above that suggests he is interested. Go for it Mike2 -
Is there any actual evidence of Mike Ashley being interested in buying Charlton?1
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Yes, for a given value of evidence:se9addick said:Is there any actual evidence of Mike Ashley being interested in buying Charlton?
ButtleJR said:Ashley is interested, floating around the club at the moment.
Posted yesterday by a poster with a fairly decent record for accuracy.3 -
You'd better get in quick before he goes.Chunes said:
He called me when I bought our season tickets. He said: "Welcome to the club" which I found a bit of a strange line considering I've been supporting Charlton for decades. Maybe I should be the one welcoming him to the club.killerandflash said:I had a call from the club today (and a subsequent email) from someone called Christos Apostolopoulos, "Commercial Sales Executive", a contact for season ticket holders. And trying to promote packages as my birthday is later on this month, for which I politely declined - just watching us play MK Dons on the 25th will be bad enough!
Is this someone new?1 -
Loads of people have declared interest in buying Charlton in the past.
We always get browsed...then they either usually pull out and think nah not worth the agro, or they do buy us and a year later make it clear that it was a huge mistake.
My way of trying to brighten the mood this morning
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https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/thomas-sandgaard-addresses-reports-he-has-cut-140k-of-funding-for-charlton-athletics-academy/
States the figure is inaccurate, then goes on to list the ways he is cutting costs 😂0 -
Newcastle haven't won the league since the 20s, and haven't won a major trophy since the 50s. Why does a big stadium entitle them to success?
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Trouble is, I think we've reached a point where it's hard to believe anything he saysSouthNorwoodAddick said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/thomas-sandgaard-addresses-reports-he-has-cut-140k-of-funding-for-charlton-athletics-academy/
States the figure is inaccurate, then goes on to list the ways he is cutting costs 😂7 -
Is a partnership TS/Ashley too outrageous?0
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I am interested in buying Charlton.
Once I win big on Euromillions.0 -
Proper politicians answer there by trying to deflect it onto the players the academy produces.SouthNorwoodAddick said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/thomas-sandgaard-addresses-reports-he-has-cut-140k-of-funding-for-charlton-athletics-academy/
States the figure is inaccurate, then goes on to list the ways he is cutting costs 😂4 -
Bet Dr Raylennes retinas have been burning holes in the back of their heads though!1 -
Mike Ashley on the drums…🥁Arthur_Trudgill said:Is a partnership TS/Ashley too outrageous?
oh & I would also take Ashley as owner right now too..!!,we will again run out of options soon2 -
No one said it entitles them to success, but if you're an established PL club (as they were for 15+ years before their first relegation under Ashley) with 50k fans turning up each week, then as fans i think you're entitled to expect better than a net spend of around 10m a season. And even that only increased in the last 3-4 years of his ownership as he realised he needed to invest a bit more to keep the club value up when he was looking to sell.Croydon said:Newcastle haven't won the league since the 20s, and haven't won a major trophy since the 50s. Why does a big stadium entitle them to success?
Is it really that much different to us wanting a new owner because TS is cutting costs and won't invest in the team and we're sat below the likes of Exeter, Shrewsbury, Port Vale, Fleetwood, Accrington and Cheltenham?
As fans we don't think we're entitled to success (we are Charlton after all), but generally i think we expect to have a decent team and be better than those clubs i've named above. And it was the same for Newcastle when they were in a relegation battle, sat below the likes of Swansea, Watford and Bournemouth.2 -
Rank
League
Club
Transfer balance
1
Premier League
Manchester City
-£867,280,000
2
Premier League
Manchester United
-£814,750,000
3
Premier League
Chelsea FC
-£410,310,000
4
Premier League
Arsenal FC
-£380,250,000
5
Premier League
Liverpool FC
-£335,580,000
6
Premier League
Everton FC
-£271,600,000
7
Premier League
Aston Villa
-£263,350,000
8
Premier League
West Ham United
-£256,830,000
9
Premier League
Brighton & Hove Albion
-£187,350,000
10
Premier League
Newcastle United
-£181,840,000
11
Premier League
Wolverhampton Wanderers
-£177,290,000
12
Championship
Stoke City
-£160,600,000
13
Premier League
Fulham FC
-£148,010,000
14
Premier League
Leicester City
-£140,520,000
15
Premier League
Tottenham Hotspur
-£135,830,000
16
Premier League
Crystal Palace
-£134,480,000
17
Premier League
West Bromwich Albion
-£107,550,000
18
Championship
AFC Bournemouth
-£102,470,000
19
Championship
Cardiff City
-£85,150,000
20
Championship
Watford FC
-£84,910,000
21
Premier League
Sheffield United
-£78,830,000
22
League 1
Sunderland AFC
-£62,740,000
23
Premier League
Burnley FC
-£58,400,000
24
Premier League
Southampton FC
-£57,810,000
25
Championship
Queens Park Rangers
-£54,540,000
26
Championship
Huddersfield Town
-£46,170,000
27
Premier League
Leeds United
-£41,860,000
28
Championship
Sheffield Wednesday
-£33,730,000
29
Championship
Derby County
-£31,350,000
30
Championship
Middlesbrough FC
-£30,030,000
31
Championship
Norwich City
-£14,200,000
32
League 1
Hull City
-£13,080,000
33
Championship
Reading FC
-£11,480,000
34
League 2
Harrogate Town
-£23,000
35
League 2
Salford City
-£7,000
36
League 2
Barrow
£104,000
37
League 1
Lincoln City
£144,000
38
League 2
Morecambe FC
£198,000
39
League 2
Cambridge United
£351,000
40
League 2
Port Vale
£365,000
41
League 2
Mansfield Town
£426,000
42
League 1
Fleetwood Town
£431,000
43
League 1
AFC Wimbledon
£588,000
44
League 2
Forest Green Rovers
£771,000
45
League 2
Tranmere Rovers
£788,000
46
League 2
Grimsby Town
£846,000
47
League 2
Southend United
£851,000
48
League 2
Oldham Athletic
£985,000
49
League 2
Cheltenham Town
£1,140,000
50
Championship
Wycombe Wanderers
£1,179,000
51
League 1
Plymouth Argyle
£1,330,000
52
League 1
Burton Albion
£1,420,000
53
League 2
Carlisle United
£1,660,000
54
League 2
Colchester United
£1,680,000
55
League 2
Scunthorpe United
£1,730,000
56
League 1
Northampton Town
£1,870,000
57
League 1
Shrewsbury Town
£1,980,000
58
League 2
Leyton Orient
£1,980,000
59
Championship
Millwall FC
£2,100,000
60
League 2
Bradford City
£2,120,000
61
League 1
Accrington Stanley
£2,570,000
62
League 2
Crawley Town
£2,730,000
63
League 2
Stevenage FC
£2,920,000
64
League 1
Rochdale AFC
£3,040,000
65
League 2
Newport County
£3,060,000
66
League 1
Gillingham FC
£3,200,000
67
League 1
Portsmouth FC
£3,360,000
68
League 2
Walsall FC
£3,370,000
69
League 1
Bristol Rovers
£3,680,000
70
Championship
Rotherham United
£3,900,000
71
League 1
Doncaster Rovers
£4,250,000
72
League 1
Swindon Town
£6,290,000
73
League 2
Exeter City
£8,940,000
74
League 2
Bolton Wanderers
£9,260,000
75
League 1
Milton Keynes Dons
£9,490,000
76
League 1
Crewe Alexandra
£10,010,000
77
Championship
Luton Town
£10,250,000
78
League 1
Oxford United
£13,170,000
79
Championship
Preston North End
£14,740,000
80
League 1
Blackpool FC
£14,770,000
81
Championship
Coventry City
£14,820,000
82
Championship
Barnsley FC
£16,750,000
83
League 1
Charlton Athletic
£17,710,000
84
Championship
Nottingham Forest
£17,730,000
85
League 1
Peterborough United
£21,550,000
86
League 1
Ipswich Town
£22,170,000
87
Championship
Bristol City
£22,520,000
88
League 1
Wigan Athletic
£30,640,000
89
Championship
Blackburn Rovers
£41,460,000
90
Championship
Birmingham City
£61,690,000
91
Championship
Swansea City
£63,420,000
92
Championship
Brentford FC
£81,190,000
That's for the 10 years up to September 2020
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