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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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RonnieMoore said:To1SCP said:Covered End said:Is it just me or are the majority moaning about the attendances the ones that aren't attending?
All the crap he gets on here, i’m surprised he’s still around.
How many more owners are we going to hound out?
personally after the last 8 years of neglect and assist stripping .. we need the calm business approach it’s the fans who need to adjust their expectations4 -
The Red Robin said:What is any buyer actually getting for £25m from Sandgaard?!2
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Athletico Charlton said:I said it at the time and have repeated it plenty. When TS bought us he was interviewed saying promotion that year was a bonus, but promotion the following year was the expectation. It was and remains my strong belief he never even considered a third year in L1. As Airman says, he had a set amount of money put aside for his project and thought (and said) it would be easy.
He was wrong. It was clear when he bought us he didn't have the unlimited wealth to keep us going for a long period of time.
He talked about how he liked taking high risks and saw it as a badge of honour that his diligence was not as thorough as others.
He was badly mistaken and compounded it by making daft decisions from the very start (£300K on Schwartz the start).
Now his Charlton pot is empty and he is slashing and burning and I would imagine trying to find a way out. The question is can he hold on to Jan and then sell Leaburn to keep it all going to the end of the season or until someone else comes along.
He is not as calculating as RD was/is and RD is still the reason we remain a basket case but TS has managed to take us even further backwards than we were in RDs time.4 -
carly burn said:Athletico Charlton said:I said it at the time and have repeated it plenty. When TS bought us he was interviewed saying promotion that year was a bonus, but promotion the following year was the expectation. It was and remains my strong belief he never even considered a third year in L1. As Airman says, he had a set amount of money put aside for his project and thought (and said) it would be easy.
He was wrong. It was clear when he bought us he didn't have the unlimited wealth to keep us going for a long period of time.
He talked about how he liked taking high risks and saw it as a badge of honour that his diligence was not as thorough as others.
He was badly mistaken and compounded it by making daft decisions from the very start (£300K on Schwartz the start).
Now his Charlton pot is empty and he is slashing and burning and I would imagine trying to find a way out. The question is can he hold on to Jan and then sell Leaburn to keep it all going to the end of the season or until someone else comes along.
He is not as calculating as RD was/is and RD is still the reason we remain a basket case but TS has managed to take us even further backwards than we were in RDs time.3 -
The Red Robin said:JamesSeed said:Would this all be happening if we were top two or three?0
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AFKABartram said:clive said:
Amongst the non-football operations question can you please ascertain the position of Raelynn Maloney, who it appeared for months to everyone was pretty much running the day to day aspects. What is the impact of it being highlighted she has no work permit and who is replacing the workload she was previously carrying out?
Can you also stress that it is not normal for so many people to be activity seeking to leave an organisation as we have seen over the last 12 months along with enforced sackings. Morale must be rock bottom, not sure how any business owner can be proud of that, personally I’d be ashamed.
So what has been done to investigate the cause of these departures, and what steps have been introduced to improvise the organisational culture (outside of a free pizza slice)?0 -
TEL said:AFKABartram said:clive said:
Amongst the non-football operations question can you please ascertain the position of Raelynn Maloney, who it appeared for months to everyone was pretty much running the day to day aspects. What is the impact of it being highlighted she has no work permit and who is replacing the workload she was previously carrying out?
Can you also stress that it is not normal for so many people to be activity seeking to leave an organisation as we have seen over the last 12 months along with enforced sackings. Morale must be rock bottom, not sure how any business owner can be proud of that, personally I’d be ashamed.
So what has been done to investigate the cause of these departures, and what steps have been introduced to improvise the organisational culture (outside of a free pizza slice)?0 -
DOUCHER said:Surely if he is slashing any costs he can,he should be axing the womens / ladies team before touching the academy ?3
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charltonnick said:DOUCHER said:Surely if he is slashing any costs he can,he should be axing the womens / ladies team before touching the academy ?35
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I said this a few weeks ago and it’s been echoed by Weegie today (or yesterday) that things changed once he didn’t get Cat 1 category for the academy.
I think he’s been naive in thinking what it takes to get a club out of League 1, doing things on the cheap, surrounding himself and taking advice from people who had previously worked for the football authorities and clubs like Man Utd etc.
He’s put in place business practices that might work in the pain management industry but not in Football. He’s completely pissed off the supporters by sacking good hard working employees, petty cost cutting and taking us for fools with his price increases. And for someone who was so open when he first took over, he’s now scampered home to Colorado and is laying in bed with his duvet over his head. Have I mentioned that ‘kin record that keeps getting played …. Arrgh
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TEL said:AFKABartram said:clive said:
Amongst the non-football operations question can you please ascertain the position of Raelynn Maloney, who it appeared for months to everyone was pretty much running the day to day aspects. What is the impact of it being highlighted she has no work permit and who is replacing the workload she was previously carrying out?
Can you also stress that it is not normal for so many people to be activity seeking to leave an organisation as we have seen over the last 12 months along with enforced sackings. Morale must be rock bottom, not sure how any business owner can be proud of that, personally I’d be ashamed.
So what has been done to investigate the cause of these departures, and what steps have been introduced to improvise the organisational culture (outside of a free pizza slice)?2 -
The reported £600k for the womens team made me think he was flush because that’s the last thing to spunk dough on if you were on a budget19
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oohaahmortimer said:The reported £600k for the womens team made me think he was flush because that’s the last thing to spunk dough on if you were on a budget3
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I'm repeating a question I asked on the 6th October as everyone ignored it. Any takers this time? A simple, "go back to the shadows" would tell me it's been seen this time.
"On the 23 March 2022 the repayment terms of £10,500k loan between the Company and T Sandgaard entered into on the 28 September 2020 and the additional loans provided by T Sandgaard of £5,450k were amended to be repayable on demand at any time by the Lender. The loan remains interest free and unsecured."
Can someone remind me why this change in loan repayment terms was made and is it known if any part repayments have subsequently been made?
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AFKABartram said:oohaahmortimer said:The reported £600k for the womens team made me think he was flush because that’s the last thing to spunk dough on if you were on a budget17
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I think it’s the separation of the club from the freeholds that is at the heart of our long term problems.Roland is sitting there in Belgium feeling secure in the knowledge that he owns a lump of London real estate that’s earning him a cool half a million quid a year, while leaving Charlton Athletic FC weakened and hamstrung.
It’s pretty clear that his ownership of the freeholds is going to decrease the likelihood of serious new owners appearing on the horizon any time soon. Sure, there are probably people sniffing around, but how serious can they be when a cursory look at the books make our short and medium prospect pretty bleak for any investor.So is there anything we can do to encourage Duchâtelet to let go of the freeholds?Protests were successful in altering the way he ran the club, but they weren’t successful in making him fully let go, and I can’t really imagine there would be any support for more trips to Belgium to embarrass the man.
It still really bothers me that he’s so comfortable right now, but I’m wondering whether it’s worth @castrust approaching him with a request that he considers reasonable offers for the freeholds from potential owners who have the best interests of the club at heart. Perhaps Heather and Lauren might be able to persuade him to reconsider his position? Ok, it’s pretty unlikely, but isn’t it worth trying?If/when they were unsuccessful then we might consider coming up with a plan B.2 -
carly burn said:Athletico Charlton said:I said it at the time and have repeated it plenty. When TS bought us he was interviewed saying promotion that year was a bonus, but promotion the following year was the expectation. It was and remains my strong belief he never even considered a third year in L1. As Airman says, he had a set amount of money put aside for his project and thought (and said) it would be easy.
He was wrong. It was clear when he bought us he didn't have the unlimited wealth to keep us going for a long period of time.
He talked about how he liked taking high risks and saw it as a badge of honour that his diligence was not as thorough as others.
He was badly mistaken and compounded it by making daft decisions from the very start (£300K on Schwartz the start).
Now his Charlton pot is empty and he is slashing and burning and I would imagine trying to find a way out. The question is can he hold on to Jan and then sell Leaburn to keep it all going to the end of the season or until someone else comes along.
He is not as calculating as RD was/is and RD is still the reason we remain a basket case but TS has managed to take us even further backwards than we were in RDs time.
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oohaahmortimer said:The reported £600k for the womens team made me think he was flush because that’s the last thing to spunk dough on if you were on a budget15
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swordfish said:The Red Robin said:What is any buyer actually getting for £25m from Sandgaard?! Absolutely sod all. Anything of value is owned by Roland.1
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JamesSeed said:The Red Robin said:JamesSeed said:Would this all be happening if we were top two or three?1
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AFKABartram said:clive said:
Amongst the non-football operations question can you please ascertain the position of Raelynn Maloney, who it appeared for months to everyone was pretty much running the day to day aspects. What is the impact of it being highlighted she has no work permit and who is replacing the workload she was previously carrying out?
Can you also stress that it is not normal for so many people to be activity seeking to leave an organisation as we have seen over the last 12 months along with enforced sackings. Morale must be rock bottom, not sure how any business owner can be proud of that, personally I’d be ashamed.
So what has been done to investigate the cause of these departures, and what steps have been introduced to improvise the organisational culture (outside of a free pizza slice)?9 -
The Red Robin said:JamesSeed said:The Red Robin said:JamesSeed said:Would this all be happening if we were top two or three?1
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JamesSeed said:I think it’s the separation of the club from the freeholds that is at the heart of our long term problems.Roland is sitting there in Belgium feeling secure in the knowledge that he owns a lump of London real estate that’s earning him a cool half a million quid a year, while leaving Charlton Athletic FC weakened and hamstrung.
It’s pretty clear that his ownership of the freeholds is going to decrease the likelihood of serious new owners appearing on the horizon any time soon. Sure, there are probably people sniffing around, but how serious can they be when a cursory look at the books make our short and medium prospect pretty bleak for any investor.So is there anything we can do to encourage Duchâtelet to let go of the freeholds?Protests were successful in altering the way he ran the club, but they weren’t successful in making him fully let go, and I can’t really imagine there would be any support for more trips to Belgium to embarrass the man.
It still really bothers me that he’s so comfortable right now, but I’m wondering whether it’s worth @castrust approaching him with a request that he considers reasonable offers for the freeholds from potential owners who have the best interests of the club at heart. Perhaps Heather and Lauren might be able to persuade him to reconsider his position? Ok, it’s pretty unlikely, but isn’t it worth trying?If they were unsuccessful then we might consider coming up with a plan B.
In the long term, the future ownership of the Valley will become a pressing concern, but we appear to be in the middle on a short term crisis and I'd rather we had an owner invested in making us successful than one looking for the additional security of owning real estate as we aren't under imminent threat of being ousted from the Valley, so Roland is the least of our worries just now provided we keep paying the rent.
The leasing of stadia hasn't always proved a barrier to success for other Clubs and can work well. I think TS had the right idea, but he's messed up and isn't best placed to see it through now. Someone with a similar plan, backed by more money with some footballing nous thrown in, would fit the bill nicely for the next little while.
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JamesSeed said:The Red Robin said:JamesSeed said:The Red Robin said:JamesSeed said:Would this all be happening if we were top two or three?0
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DOUCHER said:Surely if he is slashing any costs he can,he should be axing the womens / ladies team before touching the academy ?5
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The Red Robin said:JamesSeed said:The Red Robin said:JamesSeed said:The Red Robin said:JamesSeed said:Would this all be happening if we were top two or three?0
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LargeAddick said:DOUCHER said:Surely if he is slashing any costs he can,he should be axing the womens / ladies team before touching the academy ?0
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If he really paid that much for the women’s team then not the great business man he’s reportedly meant to be .That’s a ridiculous amount of money that should have gone to the academy.6
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bolloxbolder said:oohaahmortimer said:The reported £600k for the womens team made me think he was flush because that’s the last thing to spunk dough on if you were on a budget1
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LargeAddick said:DOUCHER said:Surely if he is slashing any costs he can,he should be axing the womens / ladies team before touching the academy ?
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